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Permanut

(5,628 posts)
1. As extreme as this shows..
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 09:34 AM
Feb 2018

It's actually more extreme. President Obama's "falsehoods" weren't lies in the same sense that Mango Mussolini's were. For example, President Obama stated during his advocacy for passage of the ACA that "you can keep your doctor". He said that because that was what he was advocating, and what he wanted to see in the final bill.

Maybe this is a rhetorical point, but I'm making a distinction between a lie and a falsehood.

 

stevepal

(109 posts)
7. Your example isn't even a lie.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:30 AM
Feb 2018

There was a provision in the ACA that you could keep the insurance plan that you had (i.e. you can keep your doctor) but obviously if the plan was discontinued by the company, you wouldn't be able to do that. What he said wasn't a lie. He just didn't explain that the government had no control over what plans a company offers.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Right. What ultimately became an Obama "lie" resulted from the insurance companies lying...
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:31 AM
Feb 2018

...to their customers.

Even the several thousand policies that had huge increases in premiums was because the insurance companies told their customers (and the government) that they were being covered for things that weren't covered. After the ACA became law, they had to be honest and, oops, they had to ADD the coverage and increase the premiums.

Most of the pitfalls of the ACA came about because the insurance companies were being deceitful.

Nitram

(22,861 posts)
10. Exactly! Obama may have eexagggerated, or misjudged the consequences of certain policies, but he
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:07 AM
Feb 2018

never flat out lied.

PatSeg

(47,573 posts)
13. Yes, I agree
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 12:04 PM
Feb 2018

I don't think Obama ever knowingly lied or intended to mislead the public. Trump just says whatever he wants, with little regard to whether it is true or not.

HuskyOffset

(890 posts)
4. Ha! Suck it, Obama!
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 09:47 AM
Feb 2018

Trump is kicking your ass, Big League! Making America Lie Again! MALA, motherfuckers!






/s, of course

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
8. If you change the graph to reflect 'intent to decieve'
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:43 AM
Feb 2018

Lord knows that Obama's number will read ZERO and Trump's number will still be crazy high

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
17. Finally, something Trump can.....
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 03:48 PM
Feb 2018
truly point to and brag about! And you know he would if he were aware of it. Since he doesn't read he'll have to rely on someone close to him to inform him verbally. We all know that isn't going to happen either.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
12. President Obama is an ADULT.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:41 AM
Feb 2018

tRump is an overgrown child. He is also a compulsive LIAR, and nobody has the guts to tell him to straighten up. It would not do any good, this is a lifelong compulsion he has.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. No facts, and no explanation, will suffice for Trumpers. Trump has given them their response...
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 04:18 PM
Feb 2018

Trump has given them their response, ahead of time, to anything they don't like: It's fake news.

There are no facts that disfavor Trump, so any facts that seem to go against him are fake news.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
21. Trump LIES constantly. His persona is a LIE. His presidency is a LIE.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:47 AM
Feb 2018

Name the topic, and he lies about it. He lies about his own abilities. He lies about his intelligence. He lies about his wife and family. He lies about his business acumen. He lies about his charitable giving. He lies about his accomplishments. He lies about his intentions. He lies about his plans. NOT ONE WORD OF TRUTH ISSUES from the hideous man-baby.

He even lies about his fucking golf game. He is a congenital, compulsive LIAR. He lies to himself, hourly.

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