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jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:14 AM Feb 2018

Bay View is for many an idyllic community, only practicing Christians can own property

Bay View is for many an idyllic community – but a lawsuit will test its rule that only practicing Christians can own property.

Prospective homeowners, according to a bylaw introduced in 1947 and strengthened in 1986, are required to produce evidence of their faith. Photograph: Alamy Stock Photo

Tucked away in Michigan’s Lower Peninsula, somewhere along the winding roads that hug Great Lakes shores, is an idyllic town named Bay View. For more than a century, generations of “Bay Viewers” have congregated here to share in summer activities.

What started out as a modest camping ground for Methodist families 140 years ago has quietly developed into a stunning vacation spot for people who can afford the upkeep of a second home. Streets named Moss, Fern and Maple are dotted with impeccably maintained century-old gingerbread cottages. Over the horizon, residents can watch lifelong friends sail their boats across the water.

But this paradise is not open to all.

In Bay View, only practicing Christians are allowed to buy houses, or even inherit them.

Prospective homeowners, according to a bylaw introduced in 1947 and strengthened in 1986, are required to produce evidence of their faith by providing among other things a letter from a Christian minister testifying to their active participation in a church.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/09/christians-only-town-bay-view-michigan?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=263514&subid=17536001&CMP=GT_US_collection

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Bay View is for many an idyllic community, only practicing Christians can own property (Original Post) jodymarie aimee Feb 2018 OP
sounds like a religious cult commune.. samnsara Feb 2018 #1
It might be possible to challenge that in court, MineralMan Feb 2018 #2
Except In The Case Of Inheritance, MM ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #3
That's an excellent point! MineralMan Feb 2018 #4
I wouldn't even want to drive by a place like that. What horrible neighbors one would have! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2018 #6
Sane Here ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #9
You're wrong. kcr Feb 2018 #12
This seems to fly in the face of HUD's fair housing act IMO? n/t RKP5637 Feb 2018 #5
I would think this would be an easy slam-dunk win for the party bring suit to end the covenant arthurgoodwin Feb 2018 #7
a little hypocritical... SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #8
Outstanding! ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #10
Thank you...it would be a laughing matter but in all seriousiness, it wasn't... SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #11

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
2. It might be possible to challenge that in court,
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:20 AM
Feb 2018

but such a challenge might not succeed. Besides, it doesn't sound like a place most non-Christians would want to live, anyhow.

Bottom line is that I doubt such a court challenge would succeed. Since religious belief is something people choose, rather than being an inborn characteristic, I'd think it would be a difficult case to argue.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
3. Except In The Case Of Inheritance, MM
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:34 AM
Feb 2018

The person suing would have true standing as the heir to the property. To tell someone that cannot abide in their own property would be a tough sell in court.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
4. That's an excellent point!
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:38 AM
Feb 2018

It's a moronic bylaw, in the first place. I wouldn't live in such a place, and would liquidate the house if I inherited it and use the proceeds to buy a house in a sane neighborhood.

arthurgoodwin

(38 posts)
7. I would think this would be an easy slam-dunk win for the party bring suit to end the covenant
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:50 AM
Feb 2018

I would think this would be an easy slam-dunk win for the party bring suit to end the covenant.

In general, exclusionary covenants on property have been determined to be illegal many, many times in court; starting with the US Supreme Court case Shelley vs Kramer in 1948.

Specifically, also, would not the Fair Housing Act (Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968) apply? As that act outlawed housing discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

SWBTATTReg

(22,156 posts)
8. a little hypocritical...
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:51 AM
Feb 2018

considering just about anyone can get ordained online and/or thus obtain such a letter from such a minister. How is level of participation defined as well as what constitutes a church? Rather vague.

In the in the Missouri Ozarks, you'd be might be amazed at how many ordained ministers by mail I ran into, as well as their 'churches' or 'houses of worship' that were their homes. So much so that I accepted it as a fact of life growing up. We didn't view it 100% strange (although some churches encountered were the 'get out of the my house NOW!' type of churches and members)).

And to be fair, quite a few (very few) of these people I often ran into were better ministers/conveyers of the 'faith' than some of the 'organized' religions were.

I was concerned most of all w/ these guys/gals and their 'churches' mostly not the impact on me, but impacting my dad and grandmother (bless them both, rip), both of whom in their later days had severe Alzheimer's, and were prone to giving away stuff/money w/o thinking, when these people came knocking on their doors and asking for money, and also trying to preach to them. I ended up running them off my dad's property a couple of times.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
10. Outstanding!
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:52 AM
Feb 2018

You get ordained on line, buy the house, declare the house your church, and your evidence of faith is that you live in a church!

SWBTATTReg

(22,156 posts)
11. Thank you...it would be a laughing matter but in all seriousiness, it wasn't...
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:16 AM
Feb 2018

taking advantage of the human condition is pathetic.

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