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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:48 PM Feb 2018

Has anyone entertained the idea that Hope is just as bad as the men she was with?

We treat her like she is a dear little thing who needs protecting from these evil, evil men. I think she knew what she was getting herself into all along and accepted the risks in order to learn from the pros. Yes, that's right, I think she wants to emulate those evil, evil players in this administration. You can put it down to her naivete, but I see her as another Coulter in the making -- and who here feels sorry for Coulter or wants to save her from herself?

Somewhere along the line Hope realized that, to find power, she needed to insinuate herself into government. I should stress the "power" aspect because when a person craves only the power and not the responsibility that comes with it, that person chooses to side with the RW.

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Has anyone entertained the idea that Hope is just as bad as the men she was with? (Original Post) ProudLib72 Feb 2018 OP
Meh, she's not old enough to be "just as bad"... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #1
Not old enough is why I think she is headed into Coulter territory ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #10
Bullshit PJMcK Feb 2018 #16
Agree. MLAA Feb 2018 #37
But---but----"Women are sacred!" nt Atticus Feb 2018 #2
Every time I see that sentence ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #5
Probably not a lot of that here. But she might writerJT Feb 2018 #3
"Pretty" buys you a lot of slack. democratisphere Feb 2018 #4
Pretty and stupid. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #31
You've got a good point on the "stupid". democratisphere Feb 2018 #43
She comes from a wealthy politically connected family. Zoonart Feb 2018 #6
Exactly. Plus she's 29 years old, not exactly a fresh-faced ingenue. Demit Feb 2018 #14
Also, Grandpa was with Texaco for ages and ages, and not just doing PR: Leghorn21 Feb 2018 #28
She's evil. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #7
She's no "dear little thing." But she should still dump the boss who calls her a "piece of tail" struggle4progress Feb 2018 #8
It was your post "Run, Hope, Run" that inspired this ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #11
I don't like her. But she should flee from that Shit House struggle4progress Feb 2018 #25
It's possible to think that she may be a morally questionable individual herself... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2018 #9
indeed loyalsister Feb 2018 #13
Yes. nt DURHAM D Feb 2018 #12
Shes definitely just as bad or worse. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #15
You don't work for that bunch unless there's something wrong with you. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #17
Wasnt Lewandowski married during their affair. Just saying. MLAA Feb 2018 #38
Different rules for pretty people. Kingofalldems Feb 2018 #18
I don't like that ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #20
Yep. Ivanka, Hope, Melania vs Huckabee Sanders, Conway chowder66 Feb 2018 #23
No One Who's That Close to Trump Has Clean Hands -- No One! dlk Feb 2018 #19
Ewww, who knows where those hands have been. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #26
Okay, you win the gross me out award for today, 😉 MLAA Feb 2018 #40
Yes she is a puzzlement The empressof all Feb 2018 #21
Guys Hope is pulling the train. gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #22
I just think she's a dumb ass who's over her head. Corgigal Feb 2018 #24
I think pretty much the same thing about her. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #30
But they were all beards ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #34
oh yeah Cha Feb 2018 #27
Bad or not, with two past DV markers in her boyfriend's past, she's convinced she'll be different. TheBlackAdder Feb 2018 #29
Yes. I said she is a piece of shit and she came from a privileged JI7 Feb 2018 #32
A cabal of evil people regardless of gender is in the WH. She doesn't fit lunasun Feb 2018 #33
Thank you for putting it this way ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2018 #36
Have you seen the scathing LA Times op-ed that puts the lie to her naivete and innocence? Hekate Feb 2018 #39
I like this paragraph ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #41
My guess is that being upwardly mobile is her main objective. jalan48 Feb 2018 #42
Let's face it, at the end of this, if she's not in jail with the rest of her crew HipChick Feb 2018 #45
Whoa Whoa Whoa -- WHAT are you talking about? RandomAccess Feb 2018 #44
It was in response to another post with an article that basically said just that ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #46
I'm troubled that you and others seem to think it's okay RandomAccess Feb 2018 #47
Did you see the article Hekate gave a link to? ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #48
That doesn't answer my concern in the LEAST RandomAccess Feb 2018 #49
What does that have to do with her possibly being a victim of domestic violence? kcr Feb 2018 #50
Nope, not what I'm saying ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #56
Of course. She could have left that toxic slough any time Hortensis Feb 2018 #51
I think it's likely she IS as bad as the men she's with. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2018 #52
Point well taken vlyons Feb 2018 #53
I don't care thbobby Feb 2018 #54
Conservatives arent particularly bright. J_William_Ryan Feb 2018 #55

Wounded Bear

(58,717 posts)
1. Meh, she's not old enough to be "just as bad"...
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:52 PM
Feb 2018

but she obviously sold her soul for what she thinks is a 'higher' purpose. Of course, in the minds of folks of the Trump fold, higher purpose means whatever elevates their own personal station in life.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. Not old enough is why I think she is headed into Coulter territory
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:01 PM
Feb 2018

Learn and make acquaintance with the rich and powerful early on. Later act like you were a major player all along and deserve attention (yeah, I really hate Coulter and think she is irrelevant).

PJMcK

(22,050 posts)
16. Bullshit
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:10 PM
Feb 2018

She's 29 years old. She's old enough to be responsible for her life.

She's chosen to be in the orbit of Dipshit Donnie.

Why would you give her cover? She's deeply involved with these scumbags.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. Every time I see that sentence
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:57 PM
Feb 2018

I read it as "Women are scared".

Whatever, the RW wants to put its women on a pedestal, which means "shut them in the back room where they can cook and have babies". I guess that really ought to scare women!

Zoonart

(11,879 posts)
6. She comes from a wealthy politically connected family.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:57 PM
Feb 2018

No babe in the woods.

Hicks didn't have any political experience, but her public-relations roots run deep. Both grandfathers worked in PR, and her father, Paul, was the NFL's executive vice president for communications and public relations. He was also a town selectman from 1987 to 1991. Greenwich proclaimed April 23, 2016, as Paul B. Hicks III Day
. more http://www.businessinsider.com/hope-hicks-bio-trump-spokeswoman-2017-2

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
28. Also, Grandpa was with Texaco for ages and ages, and not just doing PR:
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:56 PM
Feb 2018

snip

...vice president worldwide sales, Texaco Inc., 1972-1975; vice president public relations and personnel, Texaco Inc., 1975-1977; vice president public relations and advertising, Texaco Inc., 1977-1983; president, Texaco Europe, 1983-1990; senior vice president, Texaco, Inc., 1986-1990; retired, 1990.

https://prabook.com/web/paul_b.hicks/1375007

Also, Stephen Miller is 32 years old, eh? He’s about as foul as you can get, so, yeah, the age factor here means squat!

struggle4progress

(118,351 posts)
8. She's no "dear little thing." But she should still dump the boss who calls her a "piece of tail"
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 04:59 PM
Feb 2018

and the apparently dangerous boyfriend

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. It was your post "Run, Hope, Run" that inspired this
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:03 PM
Feb 2018

Not that it was your personal belief, but the fact that the sentiment was published somewhere in the liberal media made me cringe.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
9. It's possible to think that she may be a morally questionable individual herself...
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:00 PM
Feb 2018

and still find her apparent relationship with a serial abuser kind of troubling.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. indeed
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:07 PM
Feb 2018

I have known people I have disliked and could still see reason for compassion in some instances. It's possible to be critical and not cruel.

MLAA

(17,329 posts)
38. Wasnt Lewandowski married during their affair. Just saying.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:55 PM
Feb 2018

I don’t think she is being taken advantage of.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
20. I don't like that
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:18 PM
Feb 2018

I know it is true. It has always been true. This is a fact of life you learn in grade school. I just want to make sure we are in agreement about this on DU.

chowder66

(9,081 posts)
23. Yep. Ivanka, Hope, Melania vs Huckabee Sanders, Conway
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:38 PM
Feb 2018

If you are pretty, then it's about saving them, or making excuses as to why they stick around instead of flatly stating they are part of the problem.
If you are less than that it's endless insults and they are the just like the men (at least treated as such in criticism).

I think they are all grifters and bad actors regardless of their biological makeup.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
21. Yes she is a puzzlement
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:27 PM
Feb 2018

Even if she has mental health issues and an evil nature like Coulter; her general silence and lack of public voice makes it more difficult to understand. Pretty much everything we know about her is second hand...from the second hand statements about her from fellow White House staff to her family some of whom have stated that she needs deprogramming. Is she a 21st Century Patty Hurst like character or has she always been a true Trump Believer? Until we hear from her....These speculations will continue. Personally I find no reason to have much sympathy for her....

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
24. I just think she's a dumb ass who's over her head.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:39 PM
Feb 2018

However, with dating violent men, no. She's gonna fix them you see, it will never happen to her.

If she was in a different social class, she would have been found behind a dumpster by now. The learning curve on these types of multiple men are short. You either figure it out, or violence enters your life.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
30. I think pretty much the same thing about her.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:02 PM
Feb 2018

She is a stupid and venal woman who obviously doesn't think things through. Her poor choices are starting to catch up with her and if she's not careful she is going to be in sorry shape by the time she is 35, maybe sooner.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
34. But they were all beards
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:34 PM
Feb 2018

That was yesterday's theory at least. She never actually got involved with Corey or Rob. They were cover for her messing around with Donnie.

Personally, I don't believe that either. I think she was doing whatever it took to fit in.

TheBlackAdder

(28,218 posts)
29. Bad or not, with two past DV markers in her boyfriend's past, she's convinced she'll be different.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:59 PM
Feb 2018

That's one hell of a thing to discount or ignore.

JI7

(89,274 posts)
32. Yes. I said she is a piece of shit and she came from a privileged
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:07 PM
Feb 2018

Life .

This isn't some average person who needs the money.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
33. A cabal of evil people regardless of gender is in the WH. She doesn't fit
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:17 PM
Feb 2018

someone's predisposed idea of what nasty looks like, so she gets a pass or is seen as a victim
Same with Melania imo
Notice people don't think twice about Conway being bad because she is older and washed out
Or huckabee no one thinks her just confused and naive
Fair maidens need to be saved and are innocent so it's projected on to some inappropriately

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
35. Thank you for putting it this way
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:38 PM
Feb 2018

I agree with you about Melania, too. The difference is, I think Melania wanted to marry for financial security (and to live in luxury), while Hope is in it to become a major player. She already had access to money. Now it's about power and influence.

Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
41. I like this paragraph
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 07:08 PM
Feb 2018
PR at that level takes moral flexibility, callousness and charm. The flexibility ("it's all relative" ) and callousness ("who cares?" ) allow you to sleep at night. But the charm is your real high card, especially when you're whitewashing the unsavory practices or grave misdeeds of Texaco, the NFL, Harvey Weinstein and Donald Trump.


Yes, I believe tRump has been holding his Hope card close to his chest. The reality of what she is is just beginning to surface.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
45. Let's face it, at the end of this, if she's not in jail with the rest of her crew
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:22 PM
Feb 2018

she'll be a hired host at Faux News...aka TrumpTV

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
44. Whoa Whoa Whoa -- WHAT are you talking about?
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:18 PM
Feb 2018
We treat her like she is a dear little thing who needs protecting from these evil, evil men.


What are you talking about? I haven't seen that at all. Protect her from what?

If you're saying she should be protected from Porter, I'll say yes, SOMEONE who knew about his past should have warned her off him. Totally. I don't care how evil a woman is, NO ONE should be subjected to domestic violence.

And if she knew, then -- shrug, she'll have to live with the consequences. But no one is treating her special.

As for her predilections, I'd say that anyone who sticks with Trump all this time has some character defects of their own. What they are and how many is up for speculation or further revelations. But yes, she's definitely damaged too.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
46. It was in response to another post with an article that basically said just that
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 12:09 AM
Feb 2018

All about how Hope was in danger and needed saving. I was horrified, I tell ya! I wanted to make sure no one here thought she was an innocent little lamb. Call it a strange kind of pearl clutching.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
47. I'm troubled that you and others seem to think it's okay
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 01:46 PM
Feb 2018

that she could be vulnerable to physical abuse, and did NOT need to be warned.

"Saved"? Probably not-- but definitely warned, and hard.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
49. That doesn't answer my concern in the LEAST
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:02 PM
Feb 2018

Or, ARE you saying that just because she is a political opponent, OR that she's "not innocent" and -- in your terms -- wanted to run with the big boys, it's okay if she gets knocked around by Rob Porter too??

kcr

(15,320 posts)
50. What does that have to do with her possibly being a victim of domestic violence?
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:04 PM
Feb 2018

You really seem to be saying that protection from domestic violence is something to be earned with good behavior. That's shocking.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
56. Nope, not what I'm saying
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:49 PM
Feb 2018

I'm saying she has plenty of background experience dealing with nasty people and she saw joining tRump as a way to further her career even though that meant helping out nasty people. This has nothing to do with the possibility of her being a victim herself. It has to do with her willingness to defend abusers. In that, she is no better than Kelly or tRump himself.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Of course. She could have left that toxic slough any time
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:16 PM
Feb 2018

in the past two-1/2 years. She has always had affluent family and friends to return to.

When it's time for her to build a new life, expect a book and extremely lucrative speaking engagements, likely spinning her idealistic commitment to the goals Trump was supposed to represent, her maturing awareness and her distress. I won't be believing any of it.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
52. I think it's likely she IS as bad as the men she's with.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:18 PM
Feb 2018

She's 29, definitely capable of making up her own mind, and chooses to be part of TRUMP's orbit. That's a choice, and others have chosen otherwise.

That and she's apparently OK with being called a "piece of tail" by her boss.

Hope Hicks can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I feel no sympathy for her whatsoever.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
53. Point well taken
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:24 PM
Feb 2018

There is absolutely no reason why she shouldn't have known about Trump's character, and by extension, the character of the men in his orbit. She put herself into Trump's orbit for fame and fortune. We call such women, "gold diggers." Everyone is responsible for the consequences of their on decisions and actions.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
54. I don't care
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:40 PM
Feb 2018

She is another person in trump's evil world. Smart, dumb, pretty, whatever. She is not worth the time to give a shit about.

J_William_Ryan

(1,757 posts)
55. Conservatives arent particularly bright.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:41 PM
Feb 2018

Hicks getting involved with a likely abusive individual is an example of that, in addition to being so devoted to the likes of Trump.

She has only herself to blame.

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