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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas anyone entertained the idea that Hope is just as bad as the men she was with?
We treat her like she is a dear little thing who needs protecting from these evil, evil men. I think she knew what she was getting herself into all along and accepted the risks in order to learn from the pros. Yes, that's right, I think she wants to emulate those evil, evil players in this administration. You can put it down to her naivete, but I see her as another Coulter in the making -- and who here feels sorry for Coulter or wants to save her from herself?
Somewhere along the line Hope realized that, to find power, she needed to insinuate herself into government. I should stress the "power" aspect because when a person craves only the power and not the responsibility that comes with it, that person chooses to side with the RW.
Wounded Bear
(58,717 posts)but she obviously sold her soul for what she thinks is a 'higher' purpose. Of course, in the minds of folks of the Trump fold, higher purpose means whatever elevates their own personal station in life.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Learn and make acquaintance with the rich and powerful early on. Later act like you were a major player all along and deserve attention (yeah, I really hate Coulter and think she is irrelevant).
PJMcK
(22,050 posts)She's 29 years old. She's old enough to be responsible for her life.
She's chosen to be in the orbit of Dipshit Donnie.
Why would you give her cover? She's deeply involved with these scumbags.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I read it as "Women are scared".
Whatever, the RW wants to put its women on a pedestal, which means "shut them in the back room where they can cook and have babies". I guess that really ought to scare women!
writerJT
(190 posts)even be worse. Who knows?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)Because a reasonably intelligent woman wouldn't suck up to this monster.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Zoonart
(11,879 posts)No babe in the woods.
. more http://www.businessinsider.com/hope-hicks-bio-trump-spokeswoman-2017-2
Demit
(11,238 posts)Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)snip
...vice president worldwide sales, Texaco Inc., 1972-1975; vice president public relations and personnel, Texaco Inc., 1975-1977; vice president public relations and advertising, Texaco Inc., 1977-1983; president, Texaco Europe, 1983-1990; senior vice president, Texaco, Inc., 1986-1990; retired, 1990.
https://prabook.com/web/paul_b.hicks/1375007
Also, Stephen Miller is 32 years old, eh? Hes about as foul as you can get, so, yeah, the age factor here means squat!
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,049 posts)struggle4progress
(118,351 posts)and the apparently dangerous boyfriend
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Not that it was your personal belief, but the fact that the sentiment was published somewhere in the liberal media made me cringe.
struggle4progress
(118,351 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and still find her apparent relationship with a serial abuser kind of troubling.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I have known people I have disliked and could still see reason for compassion in some instances. It's possible to be critical and not cruel.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)onecaliberal
(32,899 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,864 posts)MLAA
(17,329 posts)I dont think she is being taken advantage of.
Kingofalldems
(38,486 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I know it is true. It has always been true. This is a fact of life you learn in grade school. I just want to make sure we are in agreement about this on DU.
chowder66
(9,081 posts)If you are pretty, then it's about saving them, or making excuses as to why they stick around instead of flatly stating they are part of the problem.
If you are less than that it's endless insults and they are the just like the men (at least treated as such in criticism).
I think they are all grifters and bad actors regardless of their biological makeup.
dlk
(11,578 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)MLAA
(17,329 posts)The empressof all
(29,098 posts)Even if she has mental health issues and an evil nature like Coulter; her general silence and lack of public voice makes it more difficult to understand. Pretty much everything we know about her is second hand...from the second hand statements about her from fellow White House staff to her family some of whom have stated that she needs deprogramming. Is she a 21st Century Patty Hurst like character or has she always been a true Trump Believer? Until we hear from her....These speculations will continue. Personally I find no reason to have much sympathy for her....
gibraltar72
(7,512 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)However, with dating violent men, no. She's gonna fix them you see, it will never happen to her.
If she was in a different social class, she would have been found behind a dumpster by now. The learning curve on these types of multiple men are short. You either figure it out, or violence enters your life.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)She is a stupid and venal woman who obviously doesn't think things through. Her poor choices are starting to catch up with her and if she's not careful she is going to be in sorry shape by the time she is 35, maybe sooner.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)That was yesterday's theory at least. She never actually got involved with Corey or Rob. They were cover for her messing around with Donnie.
Personally, I don't believe that either. I think she was doing whatever it took to fit in.
Cha
(297,692 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,218 posts)That's one hell of a thing to discount or ignore.
JI7
(89,274 posts)Life .
This isn't some average person who needs the money.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)someone's predisposed idea of what nasty looks like, so she gets a pass or is seen as a victim
Same with Melania imo
Notice people don't think twice about Conway being bad because she is older and washed out
Or huckabee no one thinks her just confused and naive
Fair maidens need to be saved and are innocent so it's projected on to some inappropriately
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I agree with you about Melania, too. The difference is, I think Melania wanted to marry for financial security (and to live in luxury), while Hope is in it to become a major player. She already had access to money. Now it's about power and influence.
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Hekate
(90,827 posts)Who is Hope Hicks and What'd She Do?
Discussed here
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210188375
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Yes, I believe tRump has been holding his Hope card close to his chest. The reality of what she is is just beginning to surface.
jalan48
(13,887 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)she'll be a hired host at Faux News...aka TrumpTV
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)What are you talking about? I haven't seen that at all. Protect her from what?
If you're saying she should be protected from Porter, I'll say yes, SOMEONE who knew about his past should have warned her off him. Totally. I don't care how evil a woman is, NO ONE should be subjected to domestic violence.
And if she knew, then -- shrug, she'll have to live with the consequences. But no one is treating her special.
As for her predilections, I'd say that anyone who sticks with Trump all this time has some character defects of their own. What they are and how many is up for speculation or further revelations. But yes, she's definitely damaged too.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)All about how Hope was in danger and needed saving. I was horrified, I tell ya! I wanted to make sure no one here thought she was an innocent little lamb. Call it a strange kind of pearl clutching.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)that she could be vulnerable to physical abuse, and did NOT need to be warned.
"Saved"? Probably not-- but definitely warned, and hard.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)She's no novice in this game.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Or, ARE you saying that just because she is a political opponent, OR that she's "not innocent" and -- in your terms -- wanted to run with the big boys, it's okay if she gets knocked around by Rob Porter too??
kcr
(15,320 posts)You really seem to be saying that protection from domestic violence is something to be earned with good behavior. That's shocking.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I'm saying she has plenty of background experience dealing with nasty people and she saw joining tRump as a way to further her career even though that meant helping out nasty people. This has nothing to do with the possibility of her being a victim herself. It has to do with her willingness to defend abusers. In that, she is no better than Kelly or tRump himself.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in the past two-1/2 years. She has always had affluent family and friends to return to.
When it's time for her to build a new life, expect a book and extremely lucrative speaking engagements, likely spinning her idealistic commitment to the goals Trump was supposed to represent, her maturing awareness and her distress. I won't be believing any of it.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)She's 29, definitely capable of making up her own mind, and chooses to be part of TRUMP's orbit. That's a choice, and others have chosen otherwise.
That and she's apparently OK with being called a "piece of tail" by her boss.
Hope Hicks can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I feel no sympathy for her whatsoever.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)There is absolutely no reason why she shouldn't have known about Trump's character, and by extension, the character of the men in his orbit. She put herself into Trump's orbit for fame and fortune. We call such women, "gold diggers." Everyone is responsible for the consequences of their on decisions and actions.
thbobby
(1,474 posts)She is another person in trump's evil world. Smart, dumb, pretty, whatever. She is not worth the time to give a shit about.
J_William_Ryan
(1,757 posts)Hicks getting involved with a likely abusive individual is an example of that, in addition to being so devoted to the likes of Trump.
She has only herself to blame.