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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPeople with the kind of mental illness that leads to mass shootings do not seek treatment.
Most of the people involved in mass shootings do not have a diagnosed mental illness like the Aurora CO shooter, James Holmes. He was under the care of a psychiatrist but without a definitive diagnosis. He should have been prevented from buying weapons.
But the 'depressed loner' is unlikely to seek any kind of treatment or counseling because they do not necessarily see themselves as the problem. The world is unfair, the woman who rejected me is unfair, the school who expelled me is unfair, the job that terminated me is unfair.... and so on.
A narcissist will not seek treatment because he think's he is smarter than any therapist.
How many angry people seek anger management therapy unless ordered to do so by a court or an employer?
I realize this is just a lame talking point on the part of the NRA, but even to the degree that it has merit - its not particularly helpful. People who need mental health support do not get it because they don't have insurance, don't understand what it is, and don't want to be stigmatized. There are an infinite number of barriers to solving this problem as a psychological issue.
It makes a lot more sense to focus on controlling weapons and ammunition.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)just follow the rest of the civilized world's lead.
msongs
(67,443 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)nothing unless it is proven that the person is is an immediate danger to himself or others. Then he can be held for 72 hours and released.
The mental health thing is more gun owner obfuscation.
Leighbythesea
(92 posts)Elliot, the shooter at Isle Vista in Santa Barbara had been in intensive therapy. His family had tried. We don't know if Elliot tried to get well through his parenrs efforts,--- but I try to assume he did to some degree. It doesnt excuse what he did of course.
They are sometimes isolated/lonely types. I read a very good article after a couple of deadly events in Santa Monica I was near. (Santa Monica college and Venice boardwalk) A dr wrote how helpless he feels when someone comes to him with depression or issues. He can give a med. He can recommend theraoy, which insurance usually covers 6 sessions. More sessions can be gotten, but its a process. He felt it was difficult to self advocate through these systems fir people. Maybe they dont seek help, or maybe they do but dont get very far. I believe he wrote it because the Venice boardwalk event (car as weapon) the killer did have a spotty history of seeking help.
I just wrote on a friends fb page, that i read---and i hope this stat isnt true--that a kid stands a greater chance of dying by gun violence than in a car accident today.
Would we ask a depressed person not to drive? Prob not. But we did get a lot of safety upgrades out of cars and car seats in the name of child safety. Safety in this instance is less access to the gun items conducive to mass casualty. The ability to alter AR-15 etc to kill rapidly. Yes the guy with the car did cause casualties, but not as many. He was stopped pretty quickly. The guy at Santa Monica college had 1000 rounds on his body, and it took a while for that to end.
I agree trying for control on weapons makes sense. But better mental health care, for those who do seek it too.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... people with a diagnosable DSM mental illness.
There are reasons to restrict guns from people with serious mental illness, or require a shrink to sign off on having them, but it will do more to protect the mentally ill than others.