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Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 12:59 AM Feb 2018

The owners of the store that sold Cruz the gun are "distraught."

Stuart Kaplan, an attorney representing the corporate entity, Sunrise Tactical Supply, said shop owners ensured that Cruz filled out a firearms transactions record form, called an ATF Form 4473, that is issued by the Department of Justice. He included a copy of his driver’s license, his name, address, date of birth, sex, height, weight, and answered “no” to questions about whether he had been adjudicated for mental illness or whether he had been institutionalized for mental health illness, Kaplan said.

“What I understand is that was answered appropriately,” said Kaplan, who is a lawyer with Palm Beach Gardens-based Kaplan and Parker. “I think the bigger question is: We know that he suffered from some sort of mental health illness. I guess we need to decide or find out whether or not he was being treated ...and I think that loophole is whether or not a mental health professional who is treating an individual should have some sort of reporting requirement or is there some sort of database that would collect this information so that in an event that a particular person would go to purchase a weapon, we could at least screen them?”

The shop, whose displays had been stripped of any rifles or other guns Thursday evening, will remain closed indefinitely.

Its owners, who live in Coral Springs, are distraught, Rudman said.

“The tremendous sense of responsibility in this situation and just horribleness that they feel that one of their weapons fell into the hands of this maniac,” Rudman said. “They are scared — not just for their safety — but more importantly about how the reaction is going to be for the rest of the community as they try to reenter it.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200434884.html


Interesting. They've stripped their displays of gun glory... and they're closed indefinitely. You might think these owners feel a bit of shame.
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The owners of the store that sold Cruz the gun are "distraught." (Original Post) Tatiana Feb 2018 OP
Any store with TACTICAL in their name is complicit in our gun problems. Hoyt Feb 2018 #1
You beat me too it. Was going to say the same thing. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #7
I like the way you put it. These profiteers cater to people who think we live Hoyt Feb 2018 #10
++++ Agree iluvtennis Feb 2018 #24
exactly DonCoquixote Feb 2018 #29
typical gun humping cowards Skittles Feb 2018 #2
You have to be alive to feel distraught... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #3
This was my thought, too. Tatiana Feb 2018 #8
They should sell off all their assets Weed Man Feb 2018 #4
Just What the Hell Did They Think They Were Selling? Leith Feb 2018 #5
Distraught? LakeArenal Feb 2018 #6
Close The Store Permanently. Families Should Sue And Bankrupt Them. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #9
"fell into the hands of this maniac" ?? rickford66 Feb 2018 #11
I know, right? SunSeeker Feb 2018 #26
more likely sorry to be busted and made public for their $$ greed at dead people's expense nt msongs Feb 2018 #12
Meanwhile every other gun store in America is going to sell out of AR-15s tomorrow. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2018 #13
Is it realistic to expect that someone who is being treated... 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #14
Not realistic in the slightest, cat. Why would anyone write a big ole YEAH IM KINDA Leghorn21 Feb 2018 #19
Maybe Police sold the AR-15 to the store OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #15
Good. They should. WTF did they think Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #16
They dare ??? syringis Feb 2018 #17
I am sure that I speak for everyone here when I say that I was astonished to learn that the AR-15 struggle4progress Feb 2018 #18
+1 leftstreet Feb 2018 #23
Fear, more likely. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #20
They need to have charges brought against them Retrotech Feb 2018 #21
Interesting reaction... I don't buy it. It was probably a shady sale ecstatic Feb 2018 #22
Then why don't they join the gun control movement? nt SunSeeker Feb 2018 #25
Fell into the hands... Snackshack Feb 2018 #27
Good example of the disconnect in thinking. Nevernose Feb 2018 #28
Who cares? Fuck them. hatrack Feb 2018 #30
Translation: "You mean the check is meaningless...?" hexola Feb 2018 #31
So how many assault rifles have they sold since? As many as possible I bet. Vinca Feb 2018 #32
HE USED THE WEAPON FOR ITS INTENDED USE. milestogo Feb 2018 #33
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Any store with TACTICAL in their name is complicit in our gun problems.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:02 AM
Feb 2018

Sorry owners, I don’t feel badly for those who profit from guns.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
7. You beat me too it. Was going to say the same thing.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:13 AM
Feb 2018

Tactical in the name of your store and you are surprised one of your guns killed civilians? Fuck off, store owners. I hope the faces of those dead kids and adults haunt you to your dying day.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. I like the way you put it. These profiteers cater to people who think we live
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:16 AM
Feb 2018

in a war zone. Screw em, is right.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
29. exactly
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:42 AM
Feb 2018

"tactical" is bait for people who want to feel like they are Military, but have none of the training.

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
3. You have to be alive to feel distraught...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:10 AM
Feb 2018

There are 18 people without that luxury today, that should still be here.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
8. This was my thought, too.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:13 AM
Feb 2018

If only the people in that school had the luxury of feeling anything, period. The decision to carry and sell that weapon to an 18 year old had severe consequences.

I also found it interesting that this shop had only been open 4 years -- a fairly short time. A more experienced gun retailer may have performed a bit more diligence instead of just processing paperwork to make a sale.

 

Weed Man

(304 posts)
4. They should sell off all their assets
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:12 AM
Feb 2018

give all the cash they collected from the assets to the families of the 17 dead.

Then the owners needs to turn themselves in as being complicit to the murder.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
5. Just What the Hell Did They Think They Were Selling?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:12 AM
Feb 2018

Cupid's bows and arrows?

Nope. They're just scared that they will be implicated in the horrific crime.

13. Meanwhile every other gun store in America is going to sell out of AR-15s tomorrow.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:50 AM
Feb 2018

It happens every time there's a mass shooting. There's a fear that assault weapons will be outlawed, so better grab one now.

Also, Smith & Wesson's parent company closed higher after the Florida shooting.

It's become predictable:

1. Horrifying mass murder using easily available assault weapon
2. Initial shock and horror, followed closely by
3. "Thoughts and prayers"
4. Calls for Congress/president to do something
5. GOP: "To soon to have this discussion"
6. Trump tweets: "It's the victims' fault. They should be suspicious of everyone."
7. Trump reads from the teleprompter something written for him which should sound presidential, but he delivers it so stiffly his animatronic doppelganger at Disney World could do it with more empathy.
8. Gun stores sell out on weapons and ammo
9. Gun manufacturers' stock prices go up
10. Ultimately nothing changes, and the NRA wins again.

Wash, rinse repeat.

3catwoman3

(24,051 posts)
14. Is it realistic to expect that someone who is being treated...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:55 AM
Feb 2018

...or has been treated for a mental health problem is going to answer "yes" to those questions when background checks are being run? Given that is seems to be generally regarded as a sign of weakness or deficiency to have emotional health problems, at least in the US, I would think it very likely for people to less than forthcoming when answering those particular questions.

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
19. Not realistic in the slightest, cat. Why would anyone write a big ole YEAH IM KINDA
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:44 AM
Feb 2018

MESSED UP EMOTIONALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY on their assault-weapon-purchase-paperwork?!



shit be cray, as TheFerret would say

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
16. Good. They should. WTF did they think
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:23 AM
Feb 2018

they were selling? Kittens and puppies? Jelly Beans? They willingly sold WMD's to a young man. WTF did they think he was going to do with them?

syringis

(5,101 posts)
17. They dare ???
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:27 AM
Feb 2018

They said distraught ?

They destroyed 17 families about to bury a child, a father, a brother, a sister, they plunged countless persons in a nightmare, many will never get over, will live or more like survive under meds, will need psychological assistance, some might ending committing suicide because they can't deal with the memories of this day, and so on...

But THEY are distraught ?

In a country where mass shooting are occurring at an alarming pace ?

They, as well as their siblings are complicit ! They are not selling toys or candies !

struggle4progress

(118,350 posts)
18. I am sure that I speak for everyone here when I say that I was astonished to learn that the AR-15
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:39 AM
Feb 2018

can actually be used to kill children

Most of us use these little gismos for less dramatic purposes. For example, when combined with a large capacity magazine, the semi-automatic features of this sleek modern gadget provide a convenient source of ballistic spray that can deployed effectively against the flies and mosquitoes that ruin so many summer cookouts. There is nothing more American than a Memorial Day or Fourth of July picnic in the park, and the AR-15 is the perfect tool for blowing insects way from food and family



 

Retrotech

(38 posts)
21. They need to have charges brought against them
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:21 AM
Feb 2018

Supplying terrorism, aiding and abetting, and accessory to murder.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
22. Interesting reaction... I don't buy it. It was probably a shady sale
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:32 AM
Feb 2018

Come on now. I think they closed to hide evidence.

They sold weapons of war. Killing machines. Surely they anticipated at least one person would be killed by a gun sold in their store.

Just my humble opinion, of course.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
27. Fell into the hands...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:05 AM
Feb 2018

Of this maniac”... interesting framing there.

Sounds like they handed it right to him, as soon as they got their money for it of course.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
28. Good example of the disconnect in thinking.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:18 AM
Feb 2018

They might as well have called the business Murder Weapon Emporium. Those people are responsible for god knows how many deaths; statistically speaking, several of their customers have already committed suicide.

Most people won’t just “find another way to do it,” except we have decades of research disproving the assertion.

And it probably hadn’t occurred to them that their livelihoods are based entirely on murder. Maybe peoplee, maybe animals. They, like some DUers, haven’t connected the dots between target practice and homicide. It’s got the word “practice” right in the name, and the practice isn’t about getting good enough to hit a paper target.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
31. Translation: "You mean the check is meaningless...?"
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 08:59 AM
Feb 2018

That's the realization these gun sellers are facing...

They have participated in a farce...

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
33. HE USED THE WEAPON FOR ITS INTENDED USE.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:02 AM
Feb 2018

Does it really not cross their minds that every time a gun is sold it may be used to take lives?

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