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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:09 PM Feb 2018

The NRA used to be sane and responsible. Here is what happened

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-nras-true-believers-converted-a-marksmanship-group-into-a-mighty-gun-lobby/2013/01/12/51c62288-59b9-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html

What unfolded that hot night in Cincinnati forever reoriented the NRA. And this was an event with broader national reverberations. The NRA didn’t get swept up in the culture wars of the past century so much as it helped invent them — and kept inflaming them. In the process, the NRA overcame tremendous internal tumult and existential crises, developed an astonishing grass-roots operation and became closely aligned with the Republican Party.


Today it is arguably the most powerful lobbying organization in the nation’s capital and certainly one of the most feared. There is no single secret to its success, but what liberals loathe about the NRA is a key part of its power. These are the people who say no.

They are absolutist in their interpretation of the Second Amendment. The NRA learned that controversy isn’t a problem but rather, in many cases, a solution, a motivator, a recruitment tool, an inspiration.


Much more at the link.

Essentially, a coup in the late 1970s by libertarian nutjobs (oh, was that redundant?!)
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The NRA used to be sane and responsible. Here is what happened (Original Post) Roland99 Feb 2018 OP
Interesting. I remember when the NRA was a pretty harmless organization The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #1
Yes they do. n/t oneshooter Feb 2018 #2
That's ironic. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #3
Indeed... hlthe2b Feb 2018 #6
They still do that. It's the ILA that does the political stuff krispos42 Feb 2018 #20
Eddie the Eagle was tossed aside in the mid 70's. haele Feb 2018 #5
In the early 80's my father got me into high power rifle shooting...at paper targets... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #4
Another WaPo article... Roland99 Feb 2018 #7
My dad was an instructor for their gun safety courses and ... prairierose Feb 2018 #9
My father was a Hunter Safety instructor as well... Ryano42 Feb 2018 #13
That was when my old time Texan father unjoined. efhmc Feb 2018 #8
Yeah, I'd mentioned the irony of the "original" NRA mission versus the madness they have now Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #10
Russian money uponit7771 Feb 2018 #11
Lemme guess. Was it money? Iggo Feb 2018 #12
I have been posting these two WaPo articles on local news FB pages today Roland99 Feb 2018 #14
History of Federal Court interpretation Roland99 Feb 2018 #15
What cases were prior to 2001 besides Miller? Nt hack89 Feb 2018 #16
Per wiki Roland99 Feb 2018 #17
Thanks. Nt hack89 Feb 2018 #18
NP! Roland99 Feb 2018 #19
The NRA is a front for gun manufacturers. They saw the NRA as an impediment... Xolodno Feb 2018 #21

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,865 posts)
1. Interesting. I remember when the NRA was a pretty harmless organization
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:20 PM
Feb 2018

that focused on hunting and gun safety - this would have been in the '60s. I recall ads they had for gun safety courses. I don't know if they even do those courses any more.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
20. They still do that. It's the ILA that does the political stuff
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:39 PM
Feb 2018

Institute for Legislative Action, I think is what the abbreviation stands for.

I had to take a safety course from an NRA-certified instructor before I could get my CCW permit; thanks to post-Sandy Hook laws in Connecticut I needed a permit even to buy ammo, so I went and paid the money and put in the time to get a concealed-carry permit. I didn't necessarily want one, but if I was going to be forced to get a piece of paper from the government to buy ammo I was going to get the really nice piece of paper that lets me do everything else.

Anyway, the safety course was pretty nice; the guy was knowledgeable and the book was well written. Color, laminated, spiral bound, lots of pictures and stuff. The last page or two was about protecting your rights and please join the NRA, but that was it.

I have to wonder, though, since Hartford began forcing people to get more permits, how many more NRA members did they create in this state? There are a lot of street signs out for CCW permits; I think a lot of people are getting them because Hartford clamped down so much that people just do what I did, and for the same reasons.

haele

(12,679 posts)
5. Eddie the Eagle was tossed aside in the mid 70's.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:31 PM
Feb 2018

And is now weeping for what the organization he was once part of has now become.

Gun Safety? Responsible Gun Ownership? Firearms as tools that need to be carefully handled?
Those concepts are no more important to the NRA than the candy or periodical rack at the check-out counter is to the Grocery Store. Some little bit of effort - a "see, we care" toss-away to pretend they even think about the effect firearms can have on the general population anymore while they're busy selling advertising to War Toy manufacturers and those that profit off the militia movements.

Haele

Ryano42

(1,577 posts)
4. In the early 80's my father got me into high power rifle shooting...at paper targets...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:29 PM
Feb 2018

And of course NRA membership was required.

I would receive tons of mail from them; nothing about gun safety or tips on improving your scores, mental aspects of competition...

It was an endless succession of lists of people to vote for. They were even beginning their scare campaigns though they were child's play compared to the conspiracy theory, paranoid, racist screed they publish now.

It turned me off to NRA and I quit shooting and left the NRA, much to my father's disappointment.

Shortly before he died even he started to become alarmed at what they were saying...

The NRA's leadership and many of their members are nothing but a terrorist organization.

prairierose

(2,145 posts)
9. My dad was an instructor for their gun safety courses and ...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:44 PM
Feb 2018

a lifelong member but in the early 80's sent back his membership and told them what he thought of what they were doing. He never spoke positively about them again.

Ryano42

(1,577 posts)
13. My father was a Hunter Safety instructor as well...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:04 PM
Feb 2018

It was some of the most important and useful training I've ever received...literally saved lives.

The NRA doesn't care now about such things now, just that people buy as many weapons as possible and maintaining terror and hatred in their ranks....

efhmc

(14,732 posts)
8. That was when my old time Texan father unjoined.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:39 PM
Feb 2018

I didn't ask why but I remember being in his office when he tore up a solicitation letter, tossed it into the trash and said he was not going to be a part of it any more.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. Yeah, I'd mentioned the irony of the "original" NRA mission versus the madness they have now
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:48 PM
Feb 2018

In a perfect world, you'd think the NRA would be out front trying to prevent mass shootings since it makes all the rest of them look bad, but no...

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
14. I have been posting these two WaPo articles on local news FB pages today
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:21 PM
Feb 2018

They started getting marked as spam and I got a private message calling me a "liberal pussy"


Love pushing gun bumpers over the edge

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
15. History of Federal Court interpretation
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:23 PM
Feb 2018

Advocates of collective rights models argued that the Second Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from disarming state militias, rather than to secure an individual right to possess firearms.

Prior to 2001, every circuit court decision that interpreted the Second Amendment endorsed the "collective right" model.

And in 2001, that first change was in the Fifth Circuit. With judges that had been appointed by Reagan and Bush Sr.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
17. Per wiki
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:43 PM
Feb 2018

Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942); United States v. Toner, 728 F.2d 115 (2nd Cir. 1984); United States v. Rybar, 103 F.3d 273 (3rd Cir. 1997); Love v. Peppersack, 47 F.3d 120 (4th Cir. 1995); United States v. Johnson, 441 F.2d 1134 (5th Cir. 1971); United States v. Warin, 530 F.2d 103 (6th Cir. 1976); Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 695 F.2d 261 (7th Cir. 1983); United States v. Hale, 978 F.2d 1016 (8th Cir. 1993); Hickman v. Block, 81 F.3d 98 (9th Cir. 1996); United States v. Oakes, 564 F.2d 384 (10th Cir. 1978); and United States v. Wright, 117 F.3d 1265 (11th Cir. 1997)

Xolodno

(6,401 posts)
21. The NRA is a front for gun manufacturers. They saw the NRA as an impediment...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:53 PM
Feb 2018

...and initiated a hostile takeover. The NRA was a prominent neutral and respected organization....that took a long time to achieve. Once the "financial interests" took over, not only do they donate to insane pro gun politicians....they also spend a lot of money suppressing rival groups from getting on the national stage.

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