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Initech

(100,104 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:52 PM Feb 2018

The one thing we are overlooking in all of these mass shootings. One four letter word.

And that four letter word is simple: RAGE.

Yes - pure, unfiltered, narcissistic, ego driven rage is what is fueling a lot of these mass shootings. You can blame any number of factors you want for the shooting. We can have this debate until the end of time. But there is one thing that every single mass shooting since Columbine has had in common. It's rage. It's anger. It's the common link that has combined every single mass shooting from Columbine to San Bernardino to Las Vegas to Parkland. And you see it everywhere - it's on Fox News 24 hours a day. You hear it on Rush Limbaugh and every single AM radio talk show.

And I do speak from the point of view of a white male. Many of my friends, coworkers and acquaintances are angry. They're angry at something, and they don't necessarily know what or who. They don't necessarily know why they're angry either. And while ragaholism is a form of mental illness, it can't be limited to just a single factor. It's multiple factors that, when combined, present a toxic storm and it just takes something very simple - whether it's a romantic breakup or drowning in debt - for someone to snap. Combine that with easy access to weapons, and you know what you get.

Let's examine the Las Vegas shooter for a minute. Steven J. Paddock. Angry white guy. Made a living gambling compulsively and was a self-proclaimed scholar in 2nd amendment rights. Stockpiled thousands of dollars in high grade weapons and ammunition. Something made him snap that made him - a) want to buy this kind of high grade weaponry - and b) want to use it. Could it have been his multiple divorces? Or the fact that his father had a criminal past? Or could it have been multiple gambling losses? Either way, combine all these things, add some unfiltered rage, and you've got a perfect storm brewing.

Now let's examine the Parkland shooting this week. Rageaholic. Deeply disturbed individual. Stockpiled tons of weapons and ammunition. He was angry at police. He shot BB guns at people's houses as target practice. His own family knew his love of guns and his anger were going to be a future problem.

So what's the solution? It certainly isn't anger management education, as that could only teach someone to bottle up the anger until they snap. It definitely isn't medication - Steven Paddock was loaded on anti-anxiety medication as he carried out the shooting. Banning guns won't solve the crisis of mass shootings. What will is getting smart about America's rage problem and getting it under control. Until that happens, expect the beatings to continue until morale improves.

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The one thing we are overlooking in all of these mass shootings. One four letter word. (Original Post) Initech Feb 2018 OP
And guns. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #1
And this country makes it easy for rage filled, disturbed people to buy weapons. Initech Feb 2018 #3
Easier to buy a gun than Vote in many places in the US now, sick! appalachiablue Feb 2018 #20
Exactly Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #4
Even Mika and Joe talked about "testosterone-fueled" rage Ilsa Feb 2018 #2
Why don't they do something constructive with the rage? leftstreet Feb 2018 #5
I've often wondered that too. Initech Feb 2018 #6
That requires hard introspection and work. Ilsa Feb 2018 #9
Because boys are told that helping and nurturing isn't their job. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #10
Learning to manage rage is defintely Ilsa Feb 2018 #7
Correct. There's so much RAGE here, all over. And men are much less likely appalachiablue Feb 2018 #22
Our culture isn't doing so well by men and boys. Patriarchy hurts men too, and doesn't give them a WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #8
It's not just white guys mythology Feb 2018 #11
I don't entirely disagreed, but our society systemically advantages white men. If they have rage... brush Feb 2018 #12
When Youre Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression CrispyQ Feb 2018 #13
Your headline summarizes it perfectly. brush Feb 2018 #15
It's white men and angry white men. Initech Feb 2018 #14
Yep. Rage + firearm path to mass murder. forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #16
Rage is not a mental illness loyalsister Feb 2018 #17
I agree at least in part Sherman A1 Feb 2018 #18
A good book about the social, cultural and psychological stresses that provoke mass shootings: tblue37 Feb 2018 #19
I will check it out Sherman A1 Feb 2018 #21

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,858 posts)
1. And guns.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:53 PM
Feb 2018

There are rage-filled, disturbed people in every country, but only this one has regular mass shootings in schools and other public places.

Initech

(100,104 posts)
3. And this country makes it easy for rage filled, disturbed people to buy weapons.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:58 PM
Feb 2018

Incredibly easy. It's easier to buy a gun in this country than it is to sign up for a cell phone contract.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
4. Exactly
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:58 PM
Feb 2018

Did you see what happened in Scotland after all those kids got slaughtered with a pistol?

We are exceptional in one case, that’s for sure.

Nobody else has an NRA

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
2. Even Mika and Joe talked about "testosterone-fueled" rage
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:55 PM
Feb 2018

on Thursday morning. Mentioned how there are almost no women involved in pulling the trigger.

leftstreet

(36,113 posts)
5. Why don't they do something constructive with the rage?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 01:59 PM
Feb 2018

Organize. Help others. Whatever.

Act to 'fix' whatever they perceive to be wrong


Unless of course it's just that uniquely American White Male Privilege Rage

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
9. That requires hard introspection and work.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:07 PM
Feb 2018

Buying a gun is faster, easier, and feels like you are "getting something done." Waiting for the good that comes from benevolent work is difficult, and in some cases, is never seen, at least not immediately.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
7. Learning to manage rage is defintely
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:04 PM
Feb 2018

a top priority. But as long as guns are quickly and easily available, and easier and faster than doing the work associated with counseling, I'm afraid guns will be the first outlet for rage among many people.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
22. Correct. There's so much RAGE here, all over. And men are much less likely
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 09:27 PM
Feb 2018

to seek help and counseling. If and when they do, they're often real messes who've hurt themselves and others, as one expert put it. There's still so much stigma, it's 'unmanly', 'weak' to need or seek outside help and support.

Finding resources is not so easy or affordable as MH counseling/care becomes more and more inaccessible in the US.
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GUNS are way too available here, a 'Sport/Hobby' that's ballooned & turned deadly in the last 20 years. It's killing us & has to end.

Before the 2000s, I never saw anything like this GUN WORSHIP and VIOLENCE. Men in our family had arms and guns for hunting, were in the military, artillery spec., also in LE. They collected a bit and discussed with each other who had what I guess. But it was no big deal, and nobody fetishized guns or threatened anyone like today, ever.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,442 posts)
8. Our culture isn't doing so well by men and boys. Patriarchy hurts men too, and doesn't give them a
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:07 PM
Feb 2018

lot of room to be themselves. Capitalism makes them both the top and the most disposable of workers. Society doesn't let them show emotion, and then wonders why it all comes exploding out. It's too bad that feminism is seen as an anti-man movement, since a lot of the things mainstream feminism works for helps men too, in the end.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. It's not just white guys
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:09 PM
Feb 2018

It also appears in those who end up as radicalized Muslims. Many of those who join are from relatively well off families.

brush

(53,871 posts)
12. I don't entirely disagreed, but our society systemically advantages white men. If they have rage...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:14 PM
Feb 2018

consider that of black men and Latino American and and Asian American and Native American men who have real reason to be enraged—not to mention black women and Latina American women and Asian American women and Native American women and WHITE WOMEN.


What is it with these shooters? Is it that in their imaginings the playing field is somehow leveled and their privileges are curtailed and they can't handle it while other men and women have had to handle it for centuries.

I don't know. It's complicated but why are 95% of these shooters white men?

And don't get me wrong, I'm not indicting all white men, especially progressive white men, just the small percentage of these men who become shooters.

CrispyQ

(36,519 posts)
13. When Youre Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:23 PM
Feb 2018

It is as you stated. They feel that their place in the hierarchy is being threatened, specifically threatened by minorities, uppity women, & gays. "Their place" includes a level of respect that they believe they deserve, no matter what, & a level of economic security that many of them no longer have.

Initech

(100,104 posts)
14. It's white men and angry white men.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:24 PM
Feb 2018

I don't know either - but isolating and dealing with our rage problem could be the key to dealing with these monsters and could prevent a lot of future tragedies.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. Rage is not a mental illness
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:18 PM
Feb 2018

It can be a valid feeling. Anger, even extreme anger is a very ordinary, common response people have when they believe that they have been treated unfairly. A fantasy about killing the guy who fired them, the banker who denied a loan, or bullies at school does not even necessarily reflect a psychiatric illness. It's clearly unhealthy, but does not necessarily reflect a diagnosis of a mental illness. Particularly in a culture that embraces vengeance. If it is difficult to act on their fleeting fantasies, they are less likely to. Along with ready acceptance of vengeance wink wink "reasonable fear" as a reason to kill people, the larger problem is easy access to what can make the fantasy come true quickly and with little physical effort.
Whatever happened to waiting periods? Why not waiting periods, mandatory training and thorough background checks required by federal law? Why not conferring some legal penalties for irresponsible gun handling. For example, giving a teenager who has not met background check and training requirements. Maybe some of these people who are irresponsible that their toddlers get a hold of their guns should be prosecuted?

I can only question and speculate, but I really think an explicit goal of making it more difficult to kill oneself or other people should be a consideration.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
18. I agree at least in part
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:50 PM
Feb 2018

Rage is certainly a contributing factor, but it is not exclusively limited to you any one group. How it manifests itself is notably different. I noted some very angry people back in the 1980's at Union Meetings, they too didn't know who they were necessarily angry with at the time, but they knew that they were angry. I believe then and now that this is a direct result of the economics of wealth inequality in this country. Fox news and Right Wing Radio are tools of the divide and conquer schemes of the Right. If the races are busy accusing each other of being the bad guy or the sexes are doing the same, then the wealthy laugh all the way to the bank.

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