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Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:23 PM Feb 2018

To answer my own curiosity, is DU confident that they can identify Russian bots,

robots, or whatever they call them? Have we been visited by them?

I remember seeing comments by various posters when they recommended a low number poster be kicked off or saying "Bye-Bye Bot!" to one. Were these possibly Russian or just ornery Republicans?

Please don't yell at me for posting a stupid question. I was also hacked during the election and it took me a long time to get back on, so I don't know what happened during that time. I was just glad that when I got back on, DU was up and running.

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To answer my own curiosity, is DU confident that they can identify Russian bots, (Original Post) Frustratedlady Feb 2018 OP
Nyet...Opps, I mean No. nt Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #1
Da jberryhill Feb 2018 #2
Some people probably can. Most of us, probably not leftstreet Feb 2018 #3
For all our "spidey sense", those of us who have been around since inception can recall... hlthe2b Feb 2018 #4
That would be a trick to keep a RW attitude hidden on DU. It oozes out around the edges. Frustratedlady Feb 2018 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Stallion Feb 2018 #5
I thought we decided to post a picture of Russian food or vodka ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #6
Or post some wrong ways to make obscure Russian dishes and have them correct you. nt Blue_true Feb 2018 #9
i am NOT a TROLL !!!!! trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #18
Pink bikini troll?! ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #24
I suspected trolls were where DJT got his hairdo. Just sayin'. Frustratedlady Feb 2018 #26
yeah i think so. trump's hair sucks trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #31
I knew they were here during the election Dream Girl Feb 2018 #7
I lulz'd KG Feb 2018 #8
Remember that the term 'bot' canetoad Feb 2018 #10
I couldn't remember the word, trolls, so I used bots knowing that wasn't right. doh Frustratedlady Feb 2018 #21
Tolerance for professional posters zipplewrath Feb 2018 #11
Why would anyone be paid to post on DU? eom Frustratedlady Feb 2018 #22
They're Russian? zipplewrath Feb 2018 #30
The Admins may or may not choose to answer this question. TygrBright Feb 2018 #12
Thank you for your informative reply. Frustratedlady Feb 2018 #20
Hell, I'd happily name names if I was allowed to Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #13
I doubt too many bots infected DU. alarimer Feb 2018 #14
I screwed up on bots and meant trolls. Couldn't remember what they were called. Frustratedlady Feb 2018 #27
I feel certain we've been visited by human trolls, whether Russian or not I don't know Squinch Feb 2018 #15
Way beneath the radar. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #16
many certainly think so shanny Feb 2018 #17
Bots BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #19
A real bot wouldnt last long here. herding cats Feb 2018 #23
Just ask what the weather is like in St. Petersburg Dread Pirate Roberts Feb 2018 #28
I am immediately suspicious of posters of the following: TheDebbieDee Feb 2018 #29

leftstreet

(36,113 posts)
3. Some people probably can. Most of us, probably not
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:28 PM
Feb 2018

People who've studied and followed along are likely to be able to see detailed and specific patterns, etc

But for most of us it's probably hard to tell the source of a bot

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
4. For all our "spidey sense", those of us who have been around since inception can recall...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:29 PM
Feb 2018

several incidents where a very very long term DUer eventually self-outed (as RW trolls) after sometimes a decade or more of posting. So, can we be fooled--sure. But I'm hoping admins have some registration algorithms that might be helping before they even start posting...

Response to Frustratedlady (Original post)

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
6. I thought we decided to post a picture of Russian food or vodka
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:33 PM
Feb 2018

and tell them, "Welcome comrade". There was an exceedingly lengthy thread about proper etiquette, and I was ready to go with a picture of Russian sausages. It never happened, though, as far as I recall. So does that mean no one was able to identify a bot or troll? Or maybe they just became infuriated and forgot the proper protocol we had established.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
7. I knew they were here during the election
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:34 PM
Feb 2018

I was totally ridiculed when I posted this. People said it was ridiculous and that DU would never be on their radar. Someone even posted a Natasha and Boris cartoon to Poke fun. My spidey sense told me it was happening and btw is still happening.

canetoad

(17,190 posts)
10. Remember that the term 'bot'
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:38 PM
Feb 2018

Is short for robot - a device or piece of software that can execute commands, reply to messages, or perform routine tasks, as online searches, either automatically or with minimal human intervention.

On a discussion board, bots are actually pretty easy to spot and generally don't last long on DU. It's the human trolls and disruptors who are the real problem.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
21. I couldn't remember the word, trolls, so I used bots knowing that wasn't right. doh
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:49 PM
Feb 2018

I haven't seen as many people jumping trolls as they did a couple years ago. I just thought of them as RW nuts who had too much time on their hands.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. Tolerance for professional posters
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:38 PM
Feb 2018

This site has a stated acceptance of people who are paid to post here. As such, it starts to get difficult to distinguish between those that are paid by DU friendly sources, and those whose purpose is to disrupt, especially during primaries.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
30. They're Russian?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:56 PM
Feb 2018

Campaigns run social media operations these days. Many are volunteers but some are paid.

TygrBright

(20,767 posts)
12. The Admins may or may not choose to answer this question.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:38 PM
Feb 2018

If they don't, it's very likely because even describing whatever tools they've created for site security could offer unfriendly trolls clues on how to evade our excellent MIRT squad.

"Bots" are probably not much of an issue here as discussion board posting is more complex than social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.

Trolls and their sockpuppets, OTOH, are a constant issue and very likely some of them do originate outside the US.

MIRT does a reasonable job, and the community has tools to participate in the process of alerting on trolls.

As far as hacking the site itself, after the Election Day hack security was hardened considerably, and I'm fairly sure the Admins alerted any law enforcement authorities they thought might or should be interested in that hack, and have cooperated with any attempts to trace it to a source.

Ongoing security for the site and members' information has been good and continues to evolve as threats evolve. It's one reason I have no problem with being a Star Member.

If you have specific concerns about your own member information, etc., you can ask in the "Ask the Administrators" forum and/or drop a PM to Skinner, Elad, or EarlG.

helpfully,
Bright

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
20. Thank you for your informative reply.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:42 PM
Feb 2018

It certainly explains a lot and gives one a sense of security.

I can't believe the election hacking didn't have something to do with the Trump/Russia faction, although that might be Drama Queen time.

DU is such a good group, I'd hate to see anything like that election hack happen again.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
14. I doubt too many bots infected DU.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:40 PM
Feb 2018

There is a difference between bots, which are programs, and people who are paid to disrupt things, which might occur here, but they usually get booted quickly enough.Twitter, on the other hand, is almost tailor-made for bot activity. Short posts, and anyone can join. There are only a few rules, not really enforced, etc.

On Facebook, they could buy ads and boost "fake news" to the susceptible.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
27. I screwed up on bots and meant trolls. Couldn't remember what they were called.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:58 PM
Feb 2018

You can see how much I'm into computerese.

Squinch

(51,014 posts)
15. I feel certain we've been visited by human trolls, whether Russian or not I don't know
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:42 PM
Feb 2018

but it seems likely given the numbers of Russians that were out there.

After a while, though, so many of them were so obviously here only to disrupt and divide us. It was hard to miss them.

ETA, though, I would be willing to bet money that there are some gun nut trolls here, and given what we are learning, who is to say they are not Russian? They come out only when there's been a slaughter, and they run from thread to thread dividing people and working really, really hard to convince us that we are helpless to change things.

Voltaire2

(13,174 posts)
16. Way beneath the radar.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:00 PM
Feb 2018

Compared to twitter and Facebook this place is of no importance.

Also, pretty much the wrong audience.

BlueDog22

(366 posts)
19. Bots
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:36 PM
Feb 2018

I was accused of being a bot once. I ignored it.

The last thing we should do is start getting paranoid, because then we will turn on each other.

And honestly I think some of the posters with high post counts have been more disruptive on the forum, and hijacked more conversations to lead them nowhere then the low number posters.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
23. A real bot wouldnt last long here.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 05:50 PM
Feb 2018

They’re not human and couldn’t hold up to scrutiny.

An out right operative might, if they’re careful, make it for awhile. Those influenced by Russian propaganda who chose to regurgitate it here have managed to stay for lengthy amounts of time.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
28. Just ask what the weather is like in St. Petersburg
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:00 PM
Feb 2018

If they say sunny and 80 degrees, they're ok. If they say it's cold and snowy, they're probably a Russian bot.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
29. I am immediately suspicious of posters of the following:
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:11 PM
Feb 2018

posts that vehemently bash Sen Clinton as a horrible candidate

posts that claim Sen Sanders was robbed of the Nomination by DNC shenanigans

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