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rainy

(6,092 posts)
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:13 AM Feb 2018

Gun control through ammunition?

Could we take most bullets off the shelfs except for the ones for small basic hand guns and basic hunting rifles, then manufacture only smart guns with saftey locks and specific bullets, register every gun sold and maybe include fingerprint technology. Anyone who whines about just buying a gun could trade in old gun if they pass rigorous background check.

Have an age restriction no one under 21 can buy or own a gun and if you sell or provide one or make one accessible to a minor you go to jail.

We could never get all the old guns off the streets so maybe we could have background checks and registration with ID for purchasing bullets.

I know it’s a dream but hey Australia banned most all guns.

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Gun control through ammunition? (Original Post) rainy Feb 2018 OP
That should be part of a proper plan.... Sancho Feb 2018 #1
That is a well thought out reply. Like driving rainy Feb 2018 #3
+++++++++++ HAB911 Feb 2018 #13
chris rock lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #2
I saw that way back. Love it!!! rainy Feb 2018 #4
One of the best comedy bits ever. Dave Starsky Feb 2018 #7
Maybe. Ligyron Feb 2018 #5
I would add that every gun owner should have some specific liability insurance rurallib Feb 2018 #6
Your homeowners policy probably already covers firearm accidents Abnredleg Feb 2018 #10
I think that might work. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #8
Ammo is Protected Abnredleg Feb 2018 #9
California: rainy Feb 2018 #11
I'm not arguing ammo can't be regulated Abnredleg Feb 2018 #14
I do understand that. Makes sense. rainy Feb 2018 #15
What is a basic hunting rifle? Are you suggesting a ban on specific calibers of ammunition? Marengo Feb 2018 #12

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
1. That should be part of a proper plan....
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:22 AM
Feb 2018

For example, you should have to produce a license to buy ammunition or the materials to load your own ammunition (see #6):

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

rurallib

(62,444 posts)
6. I would add that every gun owner should have some specific liability insurance
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:00 AM
Feb 2018

We always talk about the deaths, but there are multiple times more injured, many disabled for life.
They lose their jobs and unless they had some good insurance they end up living off some form of state aid.
Just like a car, if someone wants to run around with a gun, they need to be financially liable for the damages.

Abnredleg

(670 posts)
10. Your homeowners policy probably already covers firearm accidents
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:59 AM
Feb 2018

And no insurance company will cover intentional criminal acts.

It's interesting that my insurance company asked if I had dogs or a swimming pool, but nothing on firearms. And they're the experts on risk management.

Abnredleg

(670 posts)
9. Ammo is Protected
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:57 AM
Feb 2018

Having an operating weapon is a protect right, and not having access to bullets means it is no longer an operating weapon. The federal government cannot restrict piecemeal what the constitution forbids them wholesale. A First Amendment example would be the government allowing us free speech on DU but throttling the bandwidth so as to make the site unusable


See Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v. Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue.

Abnredleg

(670 posts)
14. I'm not arguing ammo can't be regulated
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:25 AM
Feb 2018

If someone is prohibited from owning guns then they should be prohibited from buying ammo. What I'm arguing is that you can't put such onerous restrictions on ammo as to make the right to bear arms meaningless. Once again it comes down to defining reasonable when enacting policies.

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