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So, in reality it wasnt Hillary who was part an oligarchic conspiracy. She was a target of one. (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2018 OP
She warned us mcar Feb 2018 #1
One has to start wondering how many of those "on the left" were really in Russia? George II Feb 2018 #29
And they were so nasty about it Cary Feb 2018 #34
It's not too much to ask, Cary mcar Feb 2018 #62
Yes they are, when really they should be begging Cary Feb 2018 #63
It's very childish mcar Feb 2018 #65
And M$M people like Andrea Mitchell keep repeating the conservative lies even today. ffr Feb 2018 #45
More proof that WHENEVER they accuse others of something, they are doing it. Squinch Feb 2018 #2
Yep. boston bean Feb 2018 #3
Always Cary Feb 2018 #35
No, no, no. She conspired with the Russians to help her lose the election! tanyev Feb 2018 #4
We knew it. Too bad the trolls were allowed to make DU so unpleasant. yardwork Feb 2018 #5
Not just DU . The large part of the country got caught up in this BS lunasun Feb 2018 #6
stupid assholes Skittles Feb 2018 #78
Total shame. Real blight. It wasnt like people werent pointing this madness out. boston bean Feb 2018 #7
I spent months in 2016 not being permitted to post here wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #31
They are still doing it. murielm99 Feb 2018 #54
I hear you Skittles Feb 2018 #79
This is so true! Trueblue Texan Feb 2018 #46
I have to say, it was very disturbing here. Squinch Feb 2018 #11
Beyond very disturbing. Cha Feb 2018 #33
+1 But if you were like me, it had a troll vibe to it. ffr Feb 2018 #49
Oh yeah, ffr! Cha Feb 2018 #53
No kidding. Lots of RT news and "Honk if you love Putin"-type garbage dalton99a Feb 2018 #15
We still get RT and former RT columnists posted here. Hortensis Feb 2018 #25
I know, right? Cary Feb 2018 #36
She named it many years ago WhiteTara Feb 2018 #8
And it turned out to be much bigger - in fact, it was international dalton99a Feb 2018 #17
DUers STILL don't realize how huge it is here in the U.S. Hortensis Feb 2018 #27
that was the vastness of it. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #28
I admit to being shocked not fooled Feb 2018 #37
Hillary nailed it in one of the debates and WhiteTara Feb 2018 #43
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #71
Russians claimed fraud in Iowa caucuses, Mueller indictment alleges DURHAM D Feb 2018 #9
WOW! That is the kind of tactic that Devine R B Garr Feb 2018 #50
Remember this - DURHAM D Feb 2018 #10
Those were passed out at the convention?? Wow!! boston bean Feb 2018 #13
She's now running for something again WhiteTara Feb 2018 #44
Nina Turner and Our Revolution are funded by Russian trolls. I have no doubt. yardwork Feb 2018 #69
It just leads to his twitter feed for me obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #74
Here you go - DURHAM D Feb 2018 #75
People are weak and stupid. betsuni Feb 2018 #12
It is the culmination of a 30 year vast right wing conspiracy. madinmaryland Feb 2018 #14
Absolutely. dalton99a Feb 2018 #18
K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #16
All those assholes with their H.A. Goodman links Codeine Feb 2018 #19
My blood begins to boil all over again. boston bean Feb 2018 #20
The sheer nerve of them trying to excuse Codeine Feb 2018 #21
Oh, yes. The Leave Bernie Alone posts already starting R B Garr Feb 2018 #42
I can take only so much Cary Feb 2018 #38
Wonder how much The Organization paid Goodman dalton99a Feb 2018 #22
There are still people here defending JPR Maven Feb 2018 #55
the JPR folks aren't dealing with reality very well Mosby Feb 2018 #59
They still believe that Perseus Feb 2018 #23
Wrong approach. Ignore those who choose to be ill-informed. ffr Feb 2018 #52
From both the right and left...nt SidDithers Feb 2018 #24
Big difference between Dems and them Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #26
Don't forget, a few hours before the polls began to close, DU went dark. George II Feb 2018 #30
Just like people forget that the infamous Citizen's United case BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #32
Yep everything turned on its head and weaponized. boston bean Feb 2018 #39
I'm still waiting for Roger Stone Clarity2 Feb 2018 #40
Him AND Ghouliani BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #47
Yep Clarity2 Feb 2018 #51
Keep going...Louis Freeh hexola Feb 2018 #57
? Clarity2 Feb 2018 #61
Ha! Check this out! BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #66
Freeh backed Sessions pick hexola Feb 2018 #67
Freeh Gulliani NYC FBI Leak hexola Feb 2018 #68
Thanks for that info BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #70
Ahhh now its making sense Clarity2 Feb 2018 #72
Wow Clarity2 Feb 2018 #73
Nothing new there... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #41
Everything Hillary was accused of, they were actually doing. R B Garr Feb 2018 #48
I said from the very start of all that, musette_sf Feb 2018 #60
You were exactly correct. The chaos was palpable. R B Garr Feb 2018 #77
Sadly, many who sounded the alarm are no longer around. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #64
And thats a shame about the people who voted for Hillary R B Garr Feb 2018 #76
Hillary is and always has been a patriot Maven Feb 2018 #56
Well...duh! Nitram Feb 2018 #58

mcar

(42,372 posts)
1. She warned us
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:01 AM
Feb 2018

Many on this board heeded and passed on the warning. Too many on the left bought the Russian propaganda.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
34. And they were so nasty about it
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:37 AM
Feb 2018

Gee, how about some apologies? How about learning a lesson and vowing to not be part of KKKarl Rove's dirty work ever again?

That's too much to ask, isn't it?

mcar

(42,372 posts)
62. It's not too much to ask, Cary
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:18 PM
Feb 2018

And yet they are still lecturing Democrats saying we need to reach out to them and beg them to come back into the fold.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
63. Yes they are, when really they should be begging
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:28 PM
Feb 2018

... for forgiveness.

It's not my duty, or yours, to appeal to or rehabilitate radical idiots. They have equal access to the facts. It should habe been obvious to them that campaigning against Hilary Clinton was campaigning for #fakepresident.

They should go over to the radical right. They at least would be more honest.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
45. And M$M people like Andrea Mitchell keep repeating the conservative lies even today.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:52 AM
Feb 2018

They should stick to reporting and not giving their bias. Or just get out of the business. They helped usher in tRump with their false equivalencies.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
35. Always
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:39 AM
Feb 2018

I keep envisioning at the debate where Hillary called #fakepresident a puppet of Putin, and he said "no puppet, you're a puppet."

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
7. Total shame. Real blight. It wasnt like people werent pointing this madness out.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:10 AM
Feb 2018

We were allowed to be drowned out and punished for it.

Mob rule is what it was, for real. Russian mob rule.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
31. I spent months in 2016 not being permitted to post here
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:28 AM
Feb 2018

because I pointed out who I thought was not just a Bernie supporter. The lies about Hillary here were the things that should have gotten people out on suspension not pointing them out.

The alert teams here were all in coordination knocking off every Hillary supporter they could

Trueblue Texan

(2,440 posts)
46. This is so true!
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:52 AM
Feb 2018

I lost a friend of over 35 years because she refused to fact check and was pushing the Russian propaganda with venom. Even if you're NOT a Democrat, don't you at least love your country enough to want solid, accurate information? Over and over she and others proved the facts didn't matter. The future of our democracy didn't matter as much as keeping a Democrat out of the White House, ESPECIALLY a Democrat named Hillary Clinton.

dalton99a

(81,569 posts)
15. No kidding. Lots of RT news and "Honk if you love Putin"-type garbage
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:42 AM
Feb 2018

They succeeded in sowing division and getting rid of a few good posters

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. We still get RT and former RT columnists posted here.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:12 AM
Feb 2018

They don't get personality changes when they leave RT. Same messages, different contexts is all.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. DUers STILL don't realize how huge it is here in the U.S.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:15 AM
Feb 2018

Media confine their dog-race coverage to Trump and Repubs in congress, but their silence about the huge right-wing centimillionaire and billionaire forces is extremely revealing anyway to anyone who notices it.

Most Repubs in congress aren't such true believers in libertarian extremism that they WANT to commit political suicide. So why are they?

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
28. that was the vastness of it.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:21 AM
Feb 2018

Damn Bill for not being able to keep his pants zipped. She was on track to crack that 25 years ago...no wonder they hate and fear Hillary so much.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
37. I admit to being shocked
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:42 AM
Feb 2018

I figured there was the US-based kook brothers-type pro-puke conspiracy. And of course over the past year it became apparent that donnie was the beneficiary of putin's largess. And that putin funded trolls and bots and got info on facebook etc.

Nevertheless, I am floored to find out that there was literally a detailed, vast conspiracy directed squarely at HRC. Hiring an actress to portray her imprisoned in a cage??????? Geezus.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
43. Hillary nailed it in one of the debates and
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:50 AM
Feb 2018

everyone was so entranced with the animal in the background...and because she is a woman and who can listen to her?...very few paid attention.

Be prepared. You are going to be shocked by the many threads of this conspiracy as it unravels.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
44. She's now running for something again
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:51 AM
Feb 2018

and she seems to have a new coach because she doesn't scream as much.

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
69. Nina Turner and Our Revolution are funded by Russian trolls. I have no doubt.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:29 PM
Feb 2018

The only purpose of their organization is to divide Democrats and get Trumpsters elected.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
19. All those assholes with their H.A. Goodman links
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:47 AM
Feb 2018

and their Sane Progressive videos who bombarded this place with alerts and obviously bogus news are now unmasked.

And still we have people defending that shit, even after indictments. It’s a cancer DU will probably never really excise.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
21. The sheer nerve of them trying to excuse
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:54 AM
Feb 2018

and defend it now that the proof is on the fucking table! Maddening.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
42. Oh, yes. The Leave Bernie Alone posts already starting
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:48 AM
Feb 2018

with no recognition that it is now proven just how much Hillary was abused and who benefited from it. It’s unreal. Now we have Trump.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
55. There are still people here defending JPR
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:18 PM
Feb 2018

A site whose moderator has “LOCK HER UP” in their sig line.

They will be back. But we are ready for their bullshit.

Mosby

(16,342 posts)
59. the JPR folks aren't dealing with reality very well
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:52 PM
Feb 2018
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/ill-say-it-again-bull-shit/

The putin pov:

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/muellers-investigation-a-farce-files-joke-indictment-against-russian-trolls/

Pretty soon the whole farce is going to collapse, they better hope they have some good creative fiction writers to spin it when the prosecutions start.



 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
23. They still believe that
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:00 AM
Feb 2018

and even if/when the time comes that the man-child is taken with handcuffs on, they will still believe that it is a conspiracy against him and that Hillary is behind it all.

These people refuse to open their minds to the possibility that they may have been wrong in their choice of candidate, it is so painful for them to admit the guy is trash, the same trash he showed throughout the campaign and continues to.

I wish I could understand what the appeal of the man-child is to so many people, what do they see that I don't? It can't be just the bigotry, the misogyny, the corrupt character, his lack of vocabulary and intelligence, his cheating, etc., those are traits that most humans would run away from, what is it that attracts them? It can't be just hate to democrats, even an idiot can see that no matter how much you dislike someone, you are definitely not going to partner with a cheater...anyway...

ffr

(22,671 posts)
52. Wrong approach. Ignore those who choose to be ill-informed.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:58 AM
Feb 2018

Stick with knowledge and justice. Don't waste your time or elevate the condition of the willfully ignorant and intolerant. Fuck them! Focus your energy on righting the wrong. Drown out the chaff.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
26. Big difference between Dems and them
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:12 AM
Feb 2018

When they level an accusation, it comes in the form of a poorly-written, unsubstantiated memo.

When we speak of an accusation leveled against a Republican, it comes in the form of a 37-page indictment from one of the greatest legal teams ever assembled.

They fart pretty loud, but they don't have the shit to back it up.

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
32. Just like people forget that the infamous Citizen's United case
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:34 AM
Feb 2018

revolved around the RW hit-piece - "Hillary: The Movie" and its use as a "political ad". The SCOTUS essentially ruled to ultimately allow the transformation of a "corporation" into a "person" that had "First Amendment rights".

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
40. I'm still waiting for Roger Stone
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:48 AM
Feb 2018

to get caught up in Mueller's indictments. There's no doubt he's bought by the russians (guccifer 2.0 etc). My trumpster brother was convinced Hillary killed JFK jr., and I could not figure out for the life of me wth he got that one from. Apparently Roger Stone. Lots of Youtube videos went up in Oct 2016 about Hillary murder conspiracies including that one. It sure as hell was a multi pronged mass attack from Russia & the right wing.

I'd like to know who posted them originally and why they are still up (and yet Youtube takes down video of accusations towards Russian billionaire).

I already reported one of them, and told youtube I will report every one I see to Bob Mueller. I'd love to see Hillary get a lawyer to go after websites for libel for all these fake conspiracies. And sue Fox News. It's sickening what TRUE stories Trump suppresses with his pit bull lawyer & money.

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
47. Him AND Ghouliani
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:52 AM
Feb 2018

who gleefully hopped from tv show to tv show wringing his hands in delight about info regarding Hillary that he purportedly had.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
51. Yep
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:57 AM
Feb 2018

Another one that must be locked up. I suspect getting the goods on him is a delicate matter since it involves FBINY office, and may end up being one of the last. I hope not though. But I will patiently wait.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
61. ?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:19 PM
Feb 2018

Never heard of him. I looked him up, and see he resigned from fbi in 2001 and was critical of Bill Clinton. Whats the connection?

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
66. Ha! Check this out!
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:57 PM
Feb 2018

I missed this -

The Russian-owned real-estate firm Prevezon earlier this year hired former FBI Director Louis Freeh to help the company negotiate a settlement agreement with the US government over an alleged money-laundering operation that involved an elaborate Russian tax-fraud scheme that implicated high-level Kremlin officials.

That detail was in a memorandum released on Thursday by Joon Kim, the acting US attorney for the Southern District of New York, seeking to enforce the settlement agreement Prevezon struck with the government in May for roughly $5.9 million.

Prevezon is also represented by Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials in June 2016 at Trump Tower to lobby for repealing the 2012 Magnitsky Act.

The Prevezon case garnered high-profile attention because of its ties to a $230 million tax-fraud scheme uncovered in 2008 by the Russian tax lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, whose suspicious death aroused international media attention and spurred the passage of the US law, which was designed to punish those suspected of involvement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-director-louis-freeh-russia-prevezon-money-laundering-2017-11


Of course you do have a cadre of "famous" criminal defense lawyers who take cases for some nefarious types including mob figures and the like, but the above is a rather interesting choice.

Also thanks to hexola for the heads-up on that one!

BumRushDaShow

(129,376 posts)
70. Thanks for that info
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:34 PM
Feb 2018


There is dirty, Sopranos-like NY/Jersey stuff going on with Freeh and Ghouliani. Could be that when the Clintons moved to NY, feathers were ruffled, and they went gangland style on 'em.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
72. Ahhh now its making sense
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 05:49 PM
Feb 2018

I never saw Kallstrom in the media leading to the election. So Kallstrom, Freeh and Giuliani are 3 peas in a pod...Kallstrom takes bribery money from trump in the form of a donation, and along with Giuliani, frames Hillary all over the media as corrupt in the ny fbi’s eyes. Right before the election.

Why arent heads rolling? Follow the money!!! Funny that that kind of partisan bias isnt acceptable in FBI DC, but its hard to tell just how many “current” agents at the time had that attitude since giuliani and kallstrom carefully chose their words of “former and current”.

Ironic that before I came back to this thread I was reading this old article I found on twitter that links to your article. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump?__twitter_impression=true


R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
48. Everything Hillary was accused of, they were actually doing.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:52 AM
Feb 2018

I still clearly remember how this site changed overnight after Bernie announced his campaign in 2015. It was surreal, but now we see we were correct in suspecting foul play. Using Bernie’s campaign for divisiveness was just the first phase, but it was a very obvious one.

musette_sf

(10,204 posts)
60. I said from the very start of all that,
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:58 PM
Feb 2018

that it was Operation Chaos 2016. Though I've now been proven to be right, I would have rather it hadn't happened at all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
64. Sadly, many who sounded the alarm are no longer around.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 02:33 PM
Feb 2018

My disappointment is obvious, no need to go into detail... so I'll just leave it at that.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
76. And thats a shame about the people who voted for Hillary
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:52 PM
Feb 2018

and actually support Democrats. In the meantime, someone who favored Trump and Stein as the “peace” candidates at JPR is starting in on anti-Biden spam now.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
56. Hillary is and always has been a patriot
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:20 PM
Feb 2018

She wanted to help Americans and defend our country from the likes of the billionaire predator class and Putin. And she would have been awfully effective at it. That’s why they wanted to destroy her.

Nitram

(22,861 posts)
58. Well...duh!
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:40 PM
Feb 2018

Trump pre-emptively accuses his opponents of doing what he just did or is planning to do. It's damned transparent.

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