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Joe Scarborough voted to repeal the assault weapons ban (Original Post) oberliner Feb 2018 OP
He was part of Gingrich'es 'Contract with America'. Chemisse Feb 2018 #1
You sure that wasn't the "Contract on America," Chemisse? DonViejo Feb 2018 #21
You're right, of course. Chemisse Feb 2018 #30
Nah, your memory served you well; "Contract on America" is what we called it back in the day. eom DonViejo Feb 2018 #31
Rational people do change opinions. NutmegYankee Feb 2018 #2
TV personalities do say things they don't really mean to get ratings oberliner Feb 2018 #3
Then why do you pay attention at all? Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #12
Because he is on our favorite news network (MSNBC) and is posted here relatively often oberliner Feb 2018 #14
I get that, but when you do it in every thread, you basically come across as trolling it Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #16
The actual topic at hand? oberliner Feb 2018 #20
Right on! Glamrock Feb 2018 #27
As long as the level of applause fits the context JHB Feb 2018 #11
I agree. We should give credit where credit is due. Chemisse Feb 2018 #32
He still attacks Hillary oberliner Feb 2018 #33
I know. Although he has lost most of his enthusiasm over it. Chemisse Feb 2018 #35
He always throws in a "by the way, Hillary Clinton blah blah blah..." oberliner Feb 2018 #36
Of Course He Did. He's Republican to the Bone dlk Feb 2018 #4
He comes off as a total phony to me oberliner Feb 2018 #6
Oh dear....that's awkward ! Still, that won't stop a true hypocrite. OnDoutside Feb 2018 #5
I was a member of the NRA in the 80's/ 90's ....people change . stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #7
People also lie oberliner Feb 2018 #8
Scarborough bucks NRA and past 'ideologies' to back gun ban DonViejo Feb 2018 #9
And this is why, no fan that I am of him, I will see him as a useful tool to get what I want Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #17
See post 18 Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #19
Did I say, or suggest, that I admired, respected or found him trustworthy? DonViejo Feb 2018 #23
No. Am I allowed to add to the discussion? You find him untrustworthy, meaning you.....dont Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #24
Yeah, I'm very familiar with his hypocrisies... DonViejo Feb 2018 #25
Hes been SUCH an arrogant swine all his life I find it hard to ever listen to anything he has to sa Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #28
I don't listen to him. I'll read articles/reports about what he's said but, I cannot DonViejo Feb 2018 #29
Joe Scarborough Is NOT Our Friend. MineralMan Feb 2018 #10
+1 JHB Feb 2018 #13
Amen oberliner Feb 2018 #15
It is useful to us to have him using his voice to criticize Trump. Chemisse Feb 2018 #34
Look it all the support this thread got Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #18
Glad to see so many others feel the same way about this person oberliner Feb 2018 #22
He's a weathervane. I don't trust his adherence to anything except his own greatness. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #26

Chemisse

(30,816 posts)
1. He was part of Gingrich'es 'Contract with America'.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:15 AM
Feb 2018

All Gingrich'es people walked in lockstep. Newly elected Republicans were taken to some kind of indoctrination camp, if I recall correctly.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
2. Rational people do change opinions.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:15 AM
Feb 2018

We should applaud them changing.

I was once pro-gun and have become anti-gun in the same period of time.

Blue_Adept

(6,400 posts)
12. Then why do you pay attention at all?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:59 AM
Feb 2018

You do get into every Scarborough thread to essentially post the same thing. We get it. But it's also not what we're usually talking about.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Because he is on our favorite news network (MSNBC) and is posted here relatively often
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:11 PM
Feb 2018

Much like Hugh Hewitt (although he is on less frequently, so it's less annoying) I feel the need to speak out against folks on MSNBC who I find repugnant. At least Hewitt does not really get any positive postings on DU. Joe seems to have his fans here. It is especially irritating since he normalized Trump during the election and bashed Hillary relentlessly throughout the campaign (and continues to do so when the opportunity arises).

Blue_Adept

(6,400 posts)
16. I get that, but when you do it in every thread, you basically come across as trolling it
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:13 PM
Feb 2018

Especially since, as you've done in this one, it's unrelated to the actual topic at hand.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. The actual topic at hand?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:17 PM
Feb 2018

This is an OP.

There are OPs posted here on a wide variety of different topics. And there are a whole bunch of different OPs related to various elements of the discussion around gun violence.

And, yes, if someone posts something positive about Joe Scarborough, I will often respond by sharing my views about him being a vacuous hypocritical jackass.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
11. As long as the level of applause fits the context
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:55 AM
Feb 2018

Joe has continued to vandalize American political discourse in both his political and media careers.

The volume of applause Joe rates should be roughly that of an ant snapping its mandibles together.

Chemisse

(30,816 posts)
32. I agree. We should give credit where credit is due.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:01 PM
Feb 2018

I'm grateful that he has left the GOP and now rails against Trumpism.

Yes, I know 2 years ago he couldn't stop talking about Hillary's emails, and he gave Trump undeserved publicity and respect.

But this is now, and it makes me feel better about things when I listen to him blast all things Trump on the way to work.

Chemisse

(30,816 posts)
35. I know. Although he has lost most of his enthusiasm over it.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:11 PM
Feb 2018

It's pretty hard to remain righteously indignant over her "being careless with classified information", when Trump and followers are actually giving top secrets directly to the Russians.

He'll likely go back to his party if it ever clears itself of self-destructive zealots, and I could be cussing him out (again) a year from now, but for now he is publicizing Trump's failings for three solid hours a day. That is a good thing.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
36. He always throws in a "by the way, Hillary Clinton blah blah blah..."
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:36 PM
Feb 2018

But his Trump bashing is good for ratings, so there ya go.

Even so, I guess every little bit helps in the fight against Trump.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
4. Of Course He Did. He's Republican to the Bone
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:23 AM
Feb 2018

Scarborough may have recently changed his tune, however temporarily. He's still no better than his compatriots. His voting record in Congress says it all.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
9. Scarborough bucks NRA and past 'ideologies' to back gun ban
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:41 AM
Feb 2018

MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, who had received an A rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA) while he was in Congress, says that after last week’s massacre of 20 elementary school children that “the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant,” and he is now backing a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity clips.

In an unusual commentary segment Monday on Morning Joe, Scarborough connected to the recent tragedy by noting that his own children were the age of those killed and one of his children has Asperger’s syndrome.

“Politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo,” he explained. “They must instead be forced to defend our children. Parents can no longer take no for an answer from Washington when the topic turns to protecting our children. The violence we see spreading from shopping malls in Oregon to movie theaters in Colorado to college campuses in Virginia to elementary schools in Connecticut — it’s being spawned by a toxic brew of popular culture, a growing mental health crisis and the proliferation of combat-style weapons.”

“I am a conservative Republican who received the NRA’s highest ratings over four terms in Congress,” he continued. “I saw this debate over guns as a powerful, symbolic struggle between individual rights and government control… I’ve spent the last few days grasping for solutions and struggling for answers, while daring to question my long-held beliefs on these subjects.”

Scarborough concluded: “I knew that day that the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant to the future that I want, that I demand for my children. Friday changed everything. It must change everything. We all must begin anew and demand that Washington’s old way of doing business is no longer acceptable. Entertainment moguls don’t have an absolute right to glorify murder while spreading mayhem in young minds across America. And our Bill of Rights does not guarantee gun manufacturers the absolute right to sell military-style, high-caliber, semi-automatic combat assault rifles with high-capacity magazines to whoever the hell they want. It is time for Congress to put children before deadly dogmas.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2012/12/scarborough-bucks-nra-and-past-ideologies-to-back-gun-ban/

Blue_Adept

(6,400 posts)
17. And this is why, no fan that I am of him, I will see him as a useful tool to get what I want
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:14 PM
Feb 2018

Thank you for posting this.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
24. No. Am I allowed to add to the discussion? You find him untrustworthy, meaning you.....dont
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:32 PM
Feb 2018

trust him, yes? So when will he revert to his disgusting, true self, and go back to disparaging those who have ALWAYS fought against these monsters

I’ll wait and see how long before he reverts

That said, I understand your point, and agree that it’s good he’s (how ever temporarily) found it expedient to espouse his newly discovered enlightenment

You know about his Gary Condit/Lori klausutis venal hypocrisies, yes.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
25. Yeah, I'm very familiar with his hypocrisies...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:44 PM
Feb 2018

I'm interested in knowing about his evolvement on issues; is his fiancee behind some of the evolution or, is he finally being forced to deal with the real world?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
28. Hes been SUCH an arrogant swine all his life I find it hard to ever listen to anything he has to sa
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:51 PM
Feb 2018

evolution or not

I prefer apostates like Schmidt, Wilson, Frum, who seem more genuine, despite my former loathing of all three

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
29. I don't listen to him. I'll read articles/reports about what he's said but, I cannot
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:59 PM
Feb 2018

listen to him. I find the way he treats Mika to be especially egregious. I like the three you mentioned, Schmidt, Wilson, and Frum, but also, Jennifer Rubin (the Washington Post columnist). I'm sure the liking is temporary though, once the Dems return to power, they will all start their whining and complaining about how terrible we are. There's something about the current criticism of their party and leaderless leadership I find most interesting/intriguing.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
10. Joe Scarborough Is NOT Our Friend.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:48 AM
Feb 2018

Make no mistake about that. He might not like Trump, but he's still a fan of Republicans like Gingrich. Don't trust him for a moment.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
13. +1
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:01 PM
Feb 2018

He spent two careers helping the Republican Party become the Party of Trump, and also spent those two careers jeering at the people who pointed out where he was heading.

He should not be allowed to disown it.

Chemisse

(30,816 posts)
34. It is useful to us to have him using his voice to criticize Trump.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 06:05 PM
Feb 2018

We don't have to like him, and he could change on a dime tomorrow. But what is really relevant is what he is saying today; his voice has a lot of impact.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
18. Look it all the support this thread got
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:14 PM
Feb 2018
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210238843

Thanks for reminding me what a tool this guy is

I am tired of correcting Joe Scarborough. Nearly every day, Joe Scarborough gets on the air, or Twitter, or writes a Washington Post column claiming that Democrats are losing elections because they’re not “pro-gun” enough. Well, Joe ― and everyone else who likes to peddle this falsehood ― do I have some morning java for you. Not only is gun violence prevention supported by a majority of Americans from both parties, but it is also a winning issue.

Just last week, Pew Research Center’s new polling came out showing that 84 percent of Americans believe background checks should be required for private gun sales and sales at gun shows. And lo and behold, just 19 percent of gun owners reported being members of the NRA.

That debunks Joe’s recent tweets to me about the need for Democratic candidates to be more “culturally sensitive” to local issues when campaigning. In other words, Democrats lost the election because they were too vocal about their support for gun safety.
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