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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:01 PM Feb 2018

We Need Armed Teachers and Superior Fire Power In Schools To Prevent Attacks, Says Fox News

This is amazing. The NRA and gun industry can turn the Florida shooting into a gold mine. First, require teachers to undergo paramilitary training. Second, provide guns that are even more powerful than an AR-15.

My goodness, what kind of heat would a teacher need to pack to out-gun an AR-15? Any suggestions? What about grenade launchers?

http://www.newsweek.com/florida-shooting-we-need-armed-teachers-and-superior-fire-power-schools-808557

The issue at the center of the Florida school shooting that left at least 17 people dead is neither gun control nor mental health care, but a “lack of superior fire power,” according to Fox News judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano, who believes teachers should be armed.

Discussing the deadly attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland on Wednesday, Napolitano suggested in a Thursday evening discussion on Varney & Co that there were not enough guns in schools.

"My suggestion is the Israeli model," Napolitano said. "Not all the teachers are armed but all the teachers...the culture’s different, I know that. All the teachers have been in the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces. Every adult except for certain religious groups, spends time there."

Napolitano continued: "In that time period they are trained. And select teachers, quietly, not ostentatiously are armed and quietly trained. You can’t just carry a gun. You have to practice with it every week."
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We Need Armed Teachers and Superior Fire Power In Schools To Prevent Attacks, Says Fox News (Original Post) TomCADem Feb 2018 OP
Im an educator, not a cop. I refuse to carry a gun. nt neeksgeek Feb 2018 #1
Ditto GreenPartyVoter Feb 2018 #5
Agreed. nt LWolf Feb 2018 #11
No not grenade launcher but an rpg would do the trick wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #2
Maybe This Opens The Door to Legalizing Fully Automatic Assault Rifles? TomCADem Feb 2018 #4
An RPG IS a grenade launcher. Aristus Feb 2018 #22
Why don't we just walk around with holsters BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3
But the Goop ban guns at campaign events. LakeArenal Feb 2018 #6
This is completely insane oberliner Feb 2018 #7
Fox viewers are too brainwashed to realize the insanity of it. n/t Different Drummer Feb 2018 #16
Guns are banned where the ex- judge works...funny how much they hate guns around THEM! Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #34
Nope heard a version today in the background of a coffee line lunasun Feb 2018 #32
School shooting advocating for more guns in schools?? oberliner Feb 2018 #36
Fuck of Fox ...we don't want to live that way so your loser viewers can pretend to be soldiers or Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #8
There are more than 130,000 schools matt819 Feb 2018 #9
YE$ lunasun Feb 2018 #35
No!!!! Sophia4 Feb 2018 #10
Only the worst idea I'very ever heard. Schools full of gunz. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #12
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #13
Or, We Could Just Reduce the Amount of Guns Overall... TomCADem Feb 2018 #15
Guns are here to stay. Now, how do we provide the proper measures democratisphere Feb 2018 #19
No, they're not. This country has only been around for 200 years. We're a baby country wise stevenleser Feb 2018 #21
Denial results in nothing being done. And so it goes. democratisphere Feb 2018 #24
Guns for teachers but guns banned in Congress? The hypocrisy undermines the point entirely. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #37
Bet the loved ones of the victims might feel differently. democratisphere Feb 2018 #38
No idea what that means. I would take that bet if u mean the parents want more guns. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #43
One of the parents was screaming for more gun control. John Fante Feb 2018 #46
Too late for either........... democratisphere Feb 2018 #48
Lovely sentiment. Maybe you can mail it to the grieving mother in a hallmark card. John Fante Feb 2018 #50
You Know, People Say The Same Thing About Misogyny and Rape TomCADem Feb 2018 #23
Unrelated. democratisphere Feb 2018 #25
Same Defeatist Logic. TomCADem Feb 2018 #30
Absurdly unrelated. democratisphere Feb 2018 #41
Andrew Napolitano Agrees With You. TomCADem Feb 2018 #52
And a fox propaganda network to you too! democratisphere Feb 2018 #54
Fox Is Pro-Gun Control? Check again. TomCADem Feb 2018 #57
Just thought about it... John Fante Feb 2018 #26
You are projecting your own thoughts onto others Egnever Feb 2018 #40
Lack of empathy is being projected onto others...teachers as a group exude empathy. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #44
why stop there? Takket Feb 2018 #14
Oh yeah? Well then, we'll just arm the theater employees! John Fante Feb 2018 #27
eventually everyone will have a rifle with a laser sight trained on every person around them Takket Feb 2018 #56
Incidentally, Israel has much stricter gun laws than the US oberliner Feb 2018 #17
Yes, and one would think the country would want to be heavily armed. Smart folks. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #45
More info oberliner Feb 2018 #55
Not unsimilar I would think to every nation on earth except for one. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #58
Ok, I'll play along ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #18
If we as teachers are unwilling to use the guns dsc Feb 2018 #20
Who is going to buy these arms? liberal N proud Feb 2018 #28
Sadly, If The Idea Gains Traction... TomCADem Feb 2018 #31
More rightwing stupidity. J_William_Ryan Feb 2018 #29
Most of the teachers I know greymattermom Feb 2018 #33
Not the answer Puzzledtraveller Feb 2018 #39
The whole argument ignores the end game Egnever Feb 2018 #42
ThIs is what the more unstable of the Gun enthusiasts I know are saying ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #47
No thought about how all these fear inducing armaments might affect the kids emotional well-being. jalan48 Feb 2018 #49
This second grade teacher doesn't give a shit what Faux News says. callous taoboy Feb 2018 #51
Trust me, you do NOT want to arm this teacher. Lifelong Protester Feb 2018 #53
Sure. When all the bank tellers get trained and armed. Without guards. raging moderate Feb 2018 #59
Guns are too dangerous around children. mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #60
The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun moondust Feb 2018 #61

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
4. Maybe This Opens The Door to Legalizing Fully Automatic Assault Rifles?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:20 PM
Feb 2018

Do it for the teachers! Lets have street legal AK-47s that will allow our educators to go toe to toe with an AR-15 wielding teenager.



BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
3. Why don't we just walk around with holsters
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:11 PM
Feb 2018

and spit tobacco? This is not an old Western movie. Shit, are we supposed to wear them during parent/teacher conferences too? Fux Ruse has to be taken off the air permanently. Their propaganda is dangerous to American citizens' health.

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
6. But the Goop ban guns at campaign events.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:30 PM
Feb 2018

Also, teachers wouldn’t be paid anymore as an education militia person.

Maybe once trained, teachers might be required to patrol the border “during their summer off.”

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
34. Guns are banned where the ex- judge works...funny how much they hate guns around THEM!
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:39 PM
Feb 2018

Why would they not be feeling safer??

And allow in Congress...elimimate security altogether and save tons of money. Armed citizens and lawmakers will provide the security....the good guys with guns!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
32. Nope heard a version today in the background of a coffee line
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:38 PM
Feb 2018

Honestly if I was a teacher and heard that I'd be so pissed

Demsrule86

(68,689 posts)
8. Fuck of Fox ...we don't want to live that way so your loser viewers can pretend to be soldiers or
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 08:34 PM
Feb 2018

whatever fantasy they have. We are coming for the guns...wait for it.

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
19. Guns are here to stay. Now, how do we provide the proper measures
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:35 PM
Feb 2018

to protect faculty, staff and students that might come under siege?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
21. No, they're not. This country has only been around for 200 years. We're a baby country wise
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:02 PM
Feb 2018

It's way too early to say that guns are here to stay.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
37. Guns for teachers but guns banned in Congress? The hypocrisy undermines the point entirely.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:44 PM
Feb 2018

Wonder how many kids would die by the millions of guns being stored away in classrooms...and if properly secured how many would die before anyone could get them out of their lockers and loaded and searching for the gunman?

Ridiculous idea.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
46. One of the parents was screaming for more gun control.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:58 PM
Feb 2018

NOT armed teachers.

What you're advocating is batshit insane.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
50. Lovely sentiment. Maybe you can mail it to the grieving mother in a hallmark card.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:13 PM
Feb 2018

We've had assault weapon bans in the past and they proved successful. Arming hundreds of thousands of teachers is an idiotic idea.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
23. You Know, People Say The Same Thing About Misogyny and Rape
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:07 PM
Feb 2018

In response to the metoo# movement, some folks might argue that sexism and misogyny are here to stay. Thus, Republicans have argued that women should dress modestly and avoid situations where they are alone with men unless the man is accompanied by his wife. Heck, not too long ago, you had Republicans blowing off rape:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/26/us/texas-candidate-s-comment-about-rape-causes-a-furor.html

The Republican gubernatorial nominee apologized today for an off-the-cuff remark suggesting that some victims of rape should ''relax and enjoy it.''

The candidate, Clayton Williams, had initially played down the remark as being a joke.

Women's groups and political opponents of Mr. Williams strongly criticized the candidate for the comment.

It ''questions his ability to understand the kinds of problems faced by the people of Texas,'' said Ann Richards, the State Treasurer and a runoff candidate for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination. ''Rape is a crime of violence.''

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
26. Just thought about it...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:25 PM
Feb 2018

It's the dumbest idea I've ever heard, and Fox Entertainment has provided a countless number of them over the years.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
40. You are projecting your own thoughts onto others
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:50 PM
Feb 2018

My wife is a teacher and not only does she not want to have a gun she is scared if she did have a gun she would shoot an innocent on accident.

The idea you are going to turn some of the kindest people in our society into gun toting rambos is so silly it is hard to believe anyone takes it seriously.

Takket

(21,629 posts)
14. why stop there?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:24 PM
Feb 2018

Let's mount artillery batteries on the roofs. encircle the grounds with a moat and razor wire. install pillboxes near all the entrances. give all the kids gas mask and add mustard gas tanks tied to the ventilation system so we can flood the hallways with it if a terrorist shows up.

and then the terrorists will just go shoot all the kids at the movie theater instead.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
27. Oh yeah? Well then, we'll just arm the theater employees!
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:28 PM
Feb 2018

6 weeks of basic training with an uzi, a few minutes to learn how to properly give change and turn on the popcorn machine.

Takket

(21,629 posts)
56. eventually everyone will have a rifle with a laser sight trained on every person around them
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:44 PM
Feb 2018

THEN we will be safe and happy.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
45. Yes, and one would think the country would want to be heavily armed. Smart folks.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:56 PM
Feb 2018

Maybe Bibi can talk some sense into Shitler next month.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
58. Not unsimilar I would think to every nation on earth except for one.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:46 PM
Feb 2018

Good night, oberliner, already had one OP hidden for daring to question...time for hot milk and honey.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
20. If we as teachers are unwilling to use the guns
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 09:56 PM
Feb 2018

and frankly many of us would be, then the guns would be worse than useless. My being armed would be worse than useless. I can't see me being able to actually shoot a gun and kill someone. Add in the fact that I am a woefully unathletic man and arming me defines uselessness.

I don't think that makes me either a bad person or a bad teacher. I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of bullying at school and I also know the dark thoughts that can come from that place. Had my family had guns, I might well not be around today. The thing is that it only takes one moment when there is a gun to lose someone. That moment when you think that tomorrow isn't and can't be worth it is the moment when having a gun can be deadly to either the person or the rest of us.

If we don't deal with guns the carnage will never end. Arming teachers won't solve this. It will cause teachers to leave the profession.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
31. Sadly, If The Idea Gains Traction...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:35 PM
Feb 2018

...I can see teachers having better access to ammo, then they do to pencils and books. Even some on the left (see above in the thread) are embracing Judge Napolitano's idea of a classroom arms race as a good thing.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
42. The whole argument ignores the end game
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:53 PM
Feb 2018

if the only answer is better armament we end up with everyone running around with bazookas. It is just stupid on it's face.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
47. ThIs is what the more unstable of the Gun enthusiasts I know are saying
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:05 PM
Feb 2018

I had one tell me that schools “should be a fortress”— and tried to say there were no shooting in courthouses or police stations. Completely removed from reality, ie who would pay for the extra security at schools? Not Republicans, they barely want public school. Why should kids feel like they are in a war zone, how is that healthy?

I had tried to start a reasonable conversation with certain people I know, what I discovered is conversations are not what these people want, they WANT polarized arguments. It’s the weirdest shit. They are not good friends, the ones I was talking to, and all of them are slightly off, if you know what I mean.

jalan48

(13,886 posts)
49. No thought about how all these fear inducing armaments might affect the kids emotional well-being.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:12 PM
Feb 2018

Or maybe that's the point. Raise millions of fearful young people who will look to authority for the answers.

raging moderate

(4,309 posts)
59. Sure. When all the bank tellers get trained and armed. Without guards.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:49 PM
Feb 2018

And all the Congressmen. And all the Senators. And all the judges. And all the Presidents. And all the Billionaires.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
60. Guns are too dangerous around children.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:12 AM
Feb 2018

In my hometown the police have a rule. If they go to a school when they were not called in on official business ,they do not bring their gun.
If an officer is in school to teach a class, have a meeting, go to their child's class,etc, they go in unarmed.
There is too much danger of a child trying to grab a weaponl


Now you want teachers armed and carrying at all times. You are asking for disaster.

How many stories are there of police weapons accidentally causing serious injury?

You do not want all teachers armed.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
61. The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 12:21 AM
Feb 2018

is a good kid with a gun, right?

"Guns For Kids" could turn out to be very, very profitable! Trillionaires!!! Go get 'em, Wayne!!!!!!!!!!


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