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Hey Jill,,,,,,,,, (Original Post) Cryptoad Feb 2018 OP
How much Russian money did Jill receive? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #1
Russian bots supported her campaign. 🇷🇺 oasis Feb 2018 #9
How much support did she get? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #10
I, or no one else on DU has access to the classified data on which oasis Feb 2018 #12
But no proof that hundreds of thousands of Russianbot antiHillary/pro Stein Sophia4 Feb 2018 #14
No proof? If by that, you mean the 13 Russians are innocent oasis Feb 2018 #15
No proof that Stein or Sanders knew they were being "helped." Sophia4 Feb 2018 #16
Give it up already on Stein. Was Bernie dining with Putin and Flynn? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #20
Thanks.. it's so touching that the poster Cha Feb 2018 #21
That was an amazingly stridently obnoxiously Conwayishly little performance, was it not? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #24
lol.. and I was grateful Cha Feb 2018 #25
Reminds me of 15 years ago at Salon Table Talk, when it was fun to watch the fools embarrass them- Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #28
At the very least, she had a nice dinner with Putin and his gang. yardwork Feb 2018 #11
Ditto. skylucy Feb 2018 #2
Just listened to Jill Stein on MSNBC. She says the same things that Trump says. wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #3
Then why did she ask for a recount PatSeg Feb 2018 #5
Contributions Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #7
Yes, there is that PatSeg Feb 2018 #8
Do you have any evidence that she knew that Russians were trying to help her Sophia4 Feb 2018 #17
I have no evidence PatSeg Feb 2018 #32
She was way too defensive I would say. A nerve was definitely struck. brush Feb 2018 #6
It is a great embarrassment, but it does not mean that she knew that Russians Sophia4 Feb 2018 #18
Oh yeah, right. Un-huh. brush Feb 2018 #19
stein knew enough to LIE her gd head off Cha Feb 2018 #23
We shall see. Conclusions are not evidence. Even when they seem to make sense. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #29
My message to her.. FUCK OFF jill stein.. you gd LIAR.. Your LIes Cha Feb 2018 #30
bull. If she didn't know, then she must be a really stupid person. rockfordfile Feb 2018 #33
Twould appear that the sane people of this hemisphere would beg to differ with your gallant, yet Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #26
What was definitely important to her "election Cha Feb 2018 #22
I immediately changed the channel thegoose Feb 2018 #4
Unfortunately, The_jackalope Feb 2018 #13
Hey, Jill PJMcK Feb 2018 #27
She's too busy spending all that recount money she raised. NT Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #31

oasis

(49,408 posts)
9. Russian bots supported her campaign. 🇷🇺
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 02:59 PM
Feb 2018

Campaign support is equivalent to financial support.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
12. I, or no one else on DU has access to the classified data on which
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:21 PM
Feb 2018

the indictment of the 13 Russians was based. That said, common sense leads us to believe that hundreds of thousands of Russianbot anti Hillary/pro Stein social media entries would have a sizable impact on election results.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
14. But no proof that hundreds of thousands of Russianbot antiHillary/pro Stein
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:27 PM
Feb 2018

social media entries were made.

This will become clear, but it is not clear now.

Also, we do not know yet whether or which candidates may have known the Russians were supporting their campaigns.

Facts are important.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
15. No proof? If by that, you mean the 13 Russians are innocent
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 07:42 PM
Feb 2018

until proven guilty, we'll be waiting until hell freezes over, because they won't turn themselves over to authorities.

If you believe no Russianbots acted on Stein's behalf, then maybe you should take that up with the members of our intelligence community who have collected a ton of incriminating evidence saying otherwise.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
16. No proof that Stein or Sanders knew they were being "helped."
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 08:53 PM
Feb 2018

No proof of precisely how much help they received.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
20. Give it up already on Stein. Was Bernie dining with Putin and Flynn?
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:12 PM
Feb 2018

Thanks for playing (very poorly). You get a D+

Cha

(297,686 posts)
21. Thanks.. it's so touching that the poster
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:26 PM
Feb 2018

is sticking up for stein.. who Lied her gd head off in the campaign and her suckers sucked it up.

If stein hadn't lied then her fans might have voted for the Planet and everything else that trump is now destroying.

stein owns a big chunk of trump.. and of course, we're angry.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
24. That was an amazingly stridently obnoxiously Conwayishly little performance, was it not?
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:31 PM
Feb 2018

D+ seems a little too soft a grade, now that I think about it

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
28. Reminds me of 15 years ago at Salon Table Talk, when it was fun to watch the fools embarrass them-
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:39 PM
Feb 2018

selves

I enjoyed that, actually

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
3. Just listened to Jill Stein on MSNBC. She says the same things that Trump says.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 01:35 PM
Feb 2018

Namely that Russian intervention was not important to her election results.

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
5. Then why did she ask for a recount
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 01:40 PM
Feb 2018

in a few states? I think she was covering her ass, to look less guilty.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
17. Do you have any evidence that she knew that Russians were trying to help her
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:00 PM
Feb 2018

campaign?

The way the internet is organized, anyone from anywhere could post in order to boost a specific candidate without the candidate knowing about it much less encouraging it.

Not all the DUers who post here are American.

That's true all over the internet. It is international.

So that creates the possibility of cooperation or a conspiracy but also the absence of cooperation or a conspiracy. We need evidence to prove a conspiracy.

Jill Stein probably had no idea that Russian bots were working online to support her candidacy.

That is why Mueller first established that Trump and his associates have and had fairly strong links to Russians in the government.

Now he has shown that Russians came here to find out how to involve themselves in our campaigns and election.

These are just the first two steps in proving his larger case. There is probably (though I can't know for sure) a lot more to come in terms of evidence. We can theorize but we can't jump to conclusions until we have supporting facts.

You may be right. You may be wrong. We have to wait to find out.

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
32. I have no evidence
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 11:52 PM
Feb 2018

But I'm sure Mueller does, if any exists. I am just uncomfortable with the fact that she sat at the same table as Michael Flynn with Putin. Also I found her to be a divisive influence on the Democratic party. We'll see. I think we're in for a lot of surprises.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
18. It is a great embarrassment, but it does not mean that she knew that Russians
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:04 PM
Feb 2018

were supporting her campaign.

Personally, I doubt she knew. The support was not massive. And people who wanted to vote Green voted Green because they are environmentalists or supported her on the issues or because they did not want to vote for Hillary.

We live in a democracy. People are entitled to vote for the candidates and support the stances on the issues that they wish.

It is up to the candidates to "win" votes.

No one owns voters or votes before elections.

That's the way democracy works. We are a democracy (mostly except for the electoral college).

Cha

(297,686 posts)
23. stein knew enough to LIE her gd head off
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:31 PM
Feb 2018

in the campaign.. and in swing states.

she owns a big chunk of trump.

She knew.. she's not that stupid.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
29. We shall see. Conclusions are not evidence. Even when they seem to make sense.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:39 PM
Feb 2018

She really may not have known.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
33. bull. If she didn't know, then she must be a really stupid person.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:45 AM
Feb 2018

I think Stein is un-American just like Trumpf. I think Stein is deep in it. People for years down the road will remember, because of Trumpf's actions.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
26. Twould appear that the sane people of this hemisphere would beg to differ with your gallant, yet
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:36 PM
Feb 2018

jocosely inept (inexplicable ?) defense of this tool

Witting?

Unwitting?

Witless, to be sure

Reminds me of someone I’m happy not to know

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210253456

Cha

(297,686 posts)
22. What was definitely important to her "election
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 09:28 PM
Feb 2018

results" was her lying her gd head off in the campaign.. and in swing states.

She should be held accountable for her LIES.

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