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Can anybody tell me "ANYTHING GOOD" that an Ar-15 has ever been used for outside a war zone? (Original Post) world wide wally Feb 2018 OP
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #1
Maybe it cures micropenis syndrome? Rollo Feb 2018 #2
It's a great can opener..... AJT Feb 2018 #3
It's handy for chasing bees away struggle4progress Feb 2018 #4
It can totally vaporize a 260 pound wild boar! lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #5
I see what you did there! nt Atticus Feb 2018 #12
Hey now, it was a 280 lb wild boar. Lets make sure the hunter gets his credit. Calista241 Feb 2018 #14
And don't forget Sailor65x1 Feb 2018 #32
280 lbs. at 90 yards. Kaleva Feb 2018 #50
It's a outlet Soxfan58 Feb 2018 #6
Oh ffs. This is ridiculous tymorial Feb 2018 #52
In that case..... Gregory Peccary Feb 2018 #57
It boosts the self esteem of immature deplorables Martin Eden Feb 2018 #7
Cooking bacon for Ted Cruz? lkinwi Feb 2018 #8
My thought too! Lucinda Feb 2018 #17
Can anybody tell me what war zone they're used in? jmg257 Feb 2018 #9
What a silly conversation, Todays cops are up against an arsenal most here never even heard of... Old Vet Feb 2018 #11
Yep - Upstate NY - know it well! jmg257 Feb 2018 #13
Yes Sir, All my weapons were bought by a FFS, And had a background check on all of my weapons... Old Vet Feb 2018 #15
Of course - but that doesn't register them. Regular ARs are assault weapons in NY jmg257 Feb 2018 #19
Guns shops offer a kit to modify an AR-15 so it doesn't need to be registered Kaleva Feb 2018 #51
You do realize statistics show that your AR15 is most likely to be used on yourself? johnpowdy Feb 2018 #25
Could you provide a cite for that statistic Hangingon Feb 2018 #34
DU histrionics aside, Sailor65x1 Feb 2018 #35
"statistics show that your AR15 is most likely to be used on yourself" EX500rider Feb 2018 #40
WOW, where in the fuck did you find that statistic? Old Vet Feb 2018 #44
Sadly, such guns/ammo (via profits to gun cos) are helping kids get killed. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #29
You ever see guys riding around with a deer carcass on the hood of a car for a week? mitch96 Feb 2018 #21
I know Dutchess county very well, Its not as rural as the finger lakes region I now reside in...... Old Vet Feb 2018 #22
Holly crap, I worked at Vassar! mitch96 Feb 2018 #26
Why do you own them? tymorial Feb 2018 #54
industryOne word, profits. Profits for the gun industry, justhanginon Feb 2018 #10
Even though it's not featured here, I assume you could use it like these gentlemen: theaocp Feb 2018 #16
Humanium Exotica Feb 2018 #18
The AR15 has never been used anywhere in the world in a war zone OU65802 Feb 2018 #20
That is not true. Eko Feb 2018 #42
That is a different rifle and no one is talking about banning the full auto you linked OU65802 Feb 2018 #45
Good reponse to those trying to play down the deadly effect of a miitary grade weapon. We see them. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #53
They are occaisionally used for self-defense. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #23
Can you cite one occasion? maxsolomon Feb 2018 #28
yes aikoaiko Feb 2018 #30
And what reason could there be for him not just using a shotgun instead? n/t johnpowdy Feb 2018 #33
In general, a shotgun with a 5 - 9 round magazine is sufficient for one aggressor. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #39
Pretty weak argument. kwassa Feb 2018 #61
The 17 year old he was confronting with the AR-15 was not armed. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #38
I can't tell you anything more than the reports. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #41
Here's follow up to your original link maxsolomon Feb 2018 #46
The German Shepherd was obviously inadequate for self defense DBoon Feb 2018 #55
i hear semi autos occasionally out in the distance and it just makes me want to work harder to certainot Feb 2018 #24
Making money for gun CEOs sharedvalues Feb 2018 #27
Apparently people enjoy shooting them at targets. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2018 #31
Read that thread where a teen defended his home from 3 armed invaders with one Calculating Feb 2018 #36
See the discussion between Aikoaiko and myself starting at Post 23 above. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #49
The man who took out the TEXAS Church shooter used an AR-15. Hangingon Feb 2018 #37
Beats using a penis pump??? COLGATE4 Feb 2018 #43
35 years of competitive target shooting hack89 Feb 2018 #47
Beforewarned about the Gungeon on this thread. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2018 #48
The AR-15 is a fine, albeit a pricey coyote gun Brother Buzz Feb 2018 #56
Forestry jmowreader Feb 2018 #58
Better question. When was the AR-15 ever used INSIDE a war zone? Decoy of Fenris Feb 2018 #59
According to a 2010 NSSF survery, the #1 reason people buy it was for target shooting. Kaleva Feb 2018 #60

Response to world wide wally (Original post)

lapfog_1

(29,218 posts)
5. It can totally vaporize a 260 pound wild boar!
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:26 AM
Feb 2018

and so traumatize the hunter using it that they go Vegan and start taking yoga lessons.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
52. Oh ffs. This is ridiculous
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:57 PM
Feb 2018

And quite frankly offensive. We have enough problems with gun violence without people linking it to sexual orientation.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
9. Can anybody tell me what war zone they're used in?
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:51 AM
Feb 2018

Other then target shooting, hunting, and defense, can't come up with anything good.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
11. What a silly conversation, Todays cops are up against an arsenal most here never even heard of...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:08 AM
Feb 2018

And yes, I own a AR-15, Among many other weapons. Iam NOT a hunter but a avid target shooter, Wouldn't kill a bird or any animal. Truth be told I detest hunters, Most are way to happy to blast about anything that moves around here. I live in a very remote area in upstate NY, Deer season is like a fucking national holiday around here.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
19. Of course - but that doesn't register them. Regular ARs are assault weapons in NY
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:03 AM
Feb 2018

and needed to be registered with the NYSP.

Only a very small (4%?) were. I sold my "AW"s instead.

johnpowdy

(116 posts)
25. You do realize statistics show that your AR15 is most likely to be used on yourself?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:19 PM
Feb 2018

Or go into the hands of a mass shooter. I really hope you do the right thing and find a gun buyback program (which police usually have regularly) and turn it in

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
35. DU histrionics aside,
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:47 PM
Feb 2018

No, they don't show that.

And since we think for ourselves, we don't worry too much about what you sky screamers tell us to do.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
40. "statistics show that your AR15 is most likely to be used on yourself"
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

Since their are millions of semi-auto assault weapons out there and all types of rifles only kill around 350+- a year, how many of those were with the victims own rifle? I am guessing only a few if any, so the "chances are" your own rifle will either sit in the gun safe or go hunting or target shooting.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
29. Sadly, such guns/ammo (via profits to gun cos) are helping kids get killed.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:27 PM
Feb 2018

I respect your right to own hunting weapons and to shoot at a range.


But the gun industry is using you. Right now profits from ammo and guns you buy are being used to market more guns, to help the NRA and gun CEOs make more money. And they don’t care if those gun sales contribute to kid deaths.

NRA used to be a sportsman org, who promoted gun safety (I benefited from NRA gun safety programs decades ago). But today the NRA is a gun marketing org that seeks only to make money, kid deaths be damned.


You and I and responsible gun owners need to be out actively campaigning to get war weapons off the streets, especially if we are purchasing guns or ammo. Because profits from guns and ammo helps get American kids killed - the nra uses that money to remove any reasonable rules on guns.

mitch96

(13,923 posts)
21. You ever see guys riding around with a deer carcass on the hood of a car for a week?
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:14 PM
Feb 2018

Just to show off how macho they are.. What really scared me was one time up in Dutchess county I was at a rural gas station and the owner asked a hunter if he got anything..
Just a few "rustle" shots.. What is that pray tell?? Something moves in the brush.. Anything in the brush and you shoot.. Could be a deer, or another hunter or a cow... Scary..
m

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
22. I know Dutchess county very well, Its not as rural as the finger lakes region I now reside in......
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:45 PM
Feb 2018

My old stomping grounds were across the mid-Hudson bridge, I went to Marlboro High school and graduated New Paltz university.

mitch96

(13,923 posts)
26. Holly crap, I worked at Vassar!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:20 PM
Feb 2018

My first job out of X-ray school. I lived in Clintondale and would commute across the river. New Paltz was a blast in the late '60s.
The deer thing was when I lived in Millbrook (Tim Leary territory) the "hinterlands..
Small world..
m

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
10. industryOne word, profits. Profits for the gun industry,
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:56 AM
Feb 2018

the NRA, a lot of congresspeople and funeral homes. That's pretty much it.

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
18. Humanium
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:02 AM
Feb 2018
HUMANIUM METAL INITIATIVE TAKES INNOVATION GRAND PRIX

http://adage.com/article/agency-news/humanium-metal-initiative-takes-innovation-grand-prix/309492/

IM Swedish Development Program's Humanium Metal initiative nabbed the Grand Prix for Innovation at the Cannes Lions Festival for Creativity.

WHAT IT IS: The project aims to tackle gun violence and poverty by deconstructing illegal guns and using the metal to build products and put money back into communities.

WHY IT WON: "We believed [Humanium] showed innovation at every stage, from concept to procurement to the supply chain to the business model to the partnerships," said Jury President Susan Lyne, president and managing partner, BBG Ventures.

THE JURY/CATEGORY: The jury of 10 was 50/50 men and women, and for the first time, Cannes expanded the Innovation category to include gold, silver and bronze winners because the category had "matured" enough, said Lyne.

snip

 

OU65802

(35 posts)
20. The AR15 has never been used anywhere in the world in a war zone
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:05 AM
Feb 2018

But maybe used as a pry bar to get your stuck car is a good use?

Eko

(7,336 posts)
42. That is not true.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:58 PM
Feb 2018

"After acquiring the AR-15, Colt promptly redesigned the rifle to facilitate mass production. Based on the final ArmaLite design, most notably, the charging handle was re-located from under the carrying handle, like the earlier AR-10 to the rear of the receiver, like the later M16 rifle.[6] Colt then renamed and rebranded the rifle "Colt ArmaLite AR-15 Model 01" After a far East tour, Colt made its first sale of Colt ArmaLite AR-15 rifles to Malaya on September 30, 1959. Colt manufactured their first batch of 300 Colt ArmaLite AR-15 rifles in December 1959.[37] Colt would go on to market the Colt ArmaLite AR-15 rifle to military services around the world."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
53. Good reponse to those trying to play down the deadly effect of a miitary grade weapon. We see them.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:57 PM
Feb 2018

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
28. Can you cite one occasion?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:27 PM
Feb 2018

Last 2 self-defense incidents in my city:

1. Road-raging 60 year old man gets out of his SUV in a traffic jam on the Interstate to confront a female motorcyclist. Fisticuffs ensue, she pulls a handgun and kills him.
2. Teenager hears men breaking into his house, hides in an upstairs closet, his German Shepherd confronts them, they pump bullets into the dog and flee. Dog survives; community raises 500% of the cost of the surgery.

I have never heard of a MSSA used in self-defense but I'm willing to learn.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
39. In general, a shotgun with a 5 - 9 round magazine is sufficient for one aggressor.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

But it is also true that one doesn't know when there might be 3 aggressors like in the original incident described in the link.

An AR15 with a 30 round magazine is standard for civilian police even when they are dealing with a single aggressor. For a good guy with a gun, its insurance in case more firepower is needed.



maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
38. The 17 year old he was confronting with the AR-15 was not armed.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:54 PM
Feb 2018

Of course, he didn't know that. So, yay?

What a charming dirtball violence story. So much of the context left out - why did the 1st incident even take place? Why are 17 year olds in East Jesus, NC armed and shooting at each other? Women? Drugs?

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
41. I can't tell you anything more than the reports.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 04:04 PM
Feb 2018

Here are some more. I did use the word occasionally. I don't mean to overstate their use, but the AR15 is America's Rifle at this point. It would be stunning if it wasn't used in self-defense.

https://mic.com/articles/64663/5-people-who-used-an-ar-15-to-defend-themselves-and-it-probably-saved-their-lives#.ZvfP1D2CT

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
46. Here's follow up to your original link
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:36 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Mon Feb 26, 2018, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/man-shot-near-maiden/696075820

as I thought, the link you shared is not the whole story.

firstly, the 17 year old who shot the other kid who robbed him? legit DGU, although I reserve judgment about the character of the shooter. if 3 teenagers wanted to strong arm rob him, what for, right? they don’t look like geniuses - my guess would be drugs.

however, the AR-15 “self-defense” is more like public intimidation. it was the brother of the kid who defended himself. he puffed out his chest, brandishing his AR-15 in front of the cameras, to issue threats to any would-be home invader. there he is on camera at the link, acting like a bad ass, threatening to execute thieves with his MSSA.

so why should I believe this other incident (the one your link reports on, which isn't in the video that I see) is a legitimate DGU with an AR-15?

I respect your position on this issue, but that link seriously distorts how that AR-15 was used. which is par for the course for the Team RKBA.

DBoon

(22,395 posts)
55. The German Shepherd was obviously inadequate for self defense
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:11 PM
Feb 2018

Kid should have had TWO German Shepherds.

You attack a member of a dog's pack, you should expect to lose some flesh

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
24. i hear semi autos occasionally out in the distance and it just makes me want to work harder to
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:18 PM
Feb 2018

boycott the crap out of the NRA and turn the GOP into a permanent 10% minority

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
27. Making money for gun CEOs
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:21 PM
Feb 2018

There was a thread on gun CEOs recently- I think smith and Wesson ceo makes $5M ? And he sinks some of that back into the NRA, to sell more guns, to make more money.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
31. Apparently people enjoy shooting them at targets.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:36 PM
Feb 2018

Of all the varied and interesting thins things one could spend their time doing in our amazing world, that some choose this is, how shall I put this...disappointing.

If they were no longer able to shoot at things with those king of guns, I suppose their lives would be diminished beyond all hope, so, we have have mass murders as an Oh Well side effect.

Pathetic.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
36. Read that thread where a teen defended his home from 3 armed invaders with one
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:48 PM
Feb 2018

Search "man defends home from 3 armed home invaders with AR15"./

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
49. See the discussion between Aikoaiko and myself starting at Post 23 above.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 01:49 PM
Feb 2018

Yours is not an accurate synopsis of the story.

The AR-15 was not used in self-defense against the 3 "home invaders". It was a handgun.

The AR-15 was brandished in front of the media by a relative at a later date.

Brother Buzz

(36,455 posts)
56. The AR-15 is a fine, albeit a pricey coyote gun
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:18 PM
Feb 2018

Old fart ranchers with bum eyes love the large capacity magazines to increase their odds

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
58. Forestry
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:36 PM
Feb 2018

Laugh not, they use rifles to shoot pine cones off trees so they can test them for ripeness without having to climb the tree.

 

Decoy of Fenris

(1,954 posts)
59. Better question. When was the AR-15 ever used INSIDE a war zone?
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:37 PM
Feb 2018

Quick edit: Malaya never used the AR-15 in any military capacity that I could find, though they did buy the weapon.

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