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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-election-impact_us_5a9098abe4b03b55731c37dfTheres no question that it mattered, said Democratic pollster Mark Mellman. Theres no question that they thought it mattered. Theres no question that the Hillary Clinton folks thought it mattered.
Over the entire final month of the race, Trump essentially centered his campaign on talking about the emails stolen by Russian intelligence and then released through its allied group WikiLeaks. The messages, which were sent to and from Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, cast Clinton in a bad light. We love WikiLeaks! Trump would tell his rally crowds and live TV audiences, urging them to go to the website and read the emails for themselves. Boy, do we love WikiLeaks.
Democrats and even some Republican consultants said the Trump campaign would not have based its closing strategy on that theme if it were not working.
You clearly wouldnt do that if you didnt think that was effective, said Rick Tyler, a GOP consultant who worked for Texas Sen. Ted Cruzs presidential campaign during the primaries.
Although Trump lost the popular tally by nearly 3 million votes nationally, he won three states that most observers expected to go to Clinton by a total margin of 77,744. Were the Russian efforts enough to have moved 77,744 votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania?
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One Republican-leaning pollster, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the question is impossible to quantify with any certainty. To move that many votes in those three states, the pollster said, would mean moving about 600,000 votes nationally ― or about half a percentage point. That said, he added that Trumps success in using WikiLeaks to hammer on about emails and thereby remind voters of Clintons biggest vulnerability ― the FBI probe into her emails ― clearly makes that kind of vote shift plausible.
Im much more open to the notion that it mattered, he said.
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Tyler, the Republican consultant, wonders how Trump supporters can argue that the social media ads and fake stories had no impact, when it was exactly the sort of thing the Trump campaign was doing itself. You cant say that what you were doing was effective, but what the Russians were doing wasnt effective, he said.
rzemanfl
(29,566 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)and you can document polling trending towards the tightening in the Rust Belt/Sanders strongholds.
3rd party candidates had phenomenal rises in numbers.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)that the social media ads and fake stories had no impact, when it was exactly the sort of thing the Trump campaign was doing itself. You cant say that what you were doing was effective, but what the Russians were doing wasnt effective, he said."
The Russians were spending more than $1M per month on their troll farm operation; you don't pump that kind of money into something that doesn't work. It's true that it isn't precisely quantifiable, in the sense of any particular person being persuaded to vote for Trump entirely because of the trolls' messages on their Facebook feed. Therefore we can't say as a provable fact that the Russians and not any other factor was the sole cause of Trump's win. But it didn't take a lot of votes. The timing of the Comey letter plus the trolls - and maybe that's all it took.
But that's what Trump's own campaign was doing, too. The Russians gave them a bigger megaphone.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)a huge benefit to trump
Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)I think they voted Stein or didnt vote at all. That was the real difference.