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highplainsdem

(49,022 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:57 AM Feb 2018

HuffPo: Yes, Russia Likely Did Swing Votes For Donald Trump

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-election-impact_us_5a9098abe4b03b55731c37df


While Trump maintains there is no proof that the Russian assistance affected the election, the contours of that final month of campaigning and the closeness of the tally suggest that the opposite is true: that it is highly unlikely the Russian efforts did not affect the outcome.

“There’s no question that it mattered,” said Democratic pollster Mark Mellman. “There’s no question that they thought it mattered. There’s no question that the Hillary Clinton folks thought it mattered.”

Over the entire final month of the race, Trump essentially centered his campaign on talking about the emails stolen by Russian intelligence and then released through its allied group WikiLeaks. The messages, which were sent to and from Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, cast Clinton in a bad light. “We love WikiLeaks!” Trump would tell his rally crowds and live TV audiences, urging them to go to the website and read the emails for themselves. “Boy, do we love WikiLeaks.”

Democrats and even some Republican consultants said the Trump campaign would not have based its closing strategy on that theme if it were not working.

“You clearly wouldn’t do that if you didn’t think that was effective,” said Rick Tyler, a GOP consultant who worked for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign during the primaries.

Although Trump lost the popular tally by nearly 3 million votes nationally, he won three states that most observers expected to go to Clinton by a total margin of 77,744. Were the Russian efforts enough to have moved 77,744 votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania?

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One Republican-leaning pollster, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the question is impossible to quantify with any certainty. To move that many votes in those three states, the pollster said, would mean moving about 600,000 votes nationally ― or about half a percentage point. That said, he added that Trump’s success in using WikiLeaks to hammer on about emails and thereby remind voters of Clinton’s biggest vulnerability ― the FBI probe into her emails ― clearly makes that kind of vote shift plausible.

“I’m much more open to the notion that it mattered,” he said.

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Tyler, the Republican consultant, wonders how Trump supporters can argue that the social media ads and fake stories had no impact, when it was exactly the sort of thing the Trump campaign was doing itself. “You can’t say that what you were doing was effective, but what the Russians were doing wasn’t effective,” he said.
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HuffPo: Yes, Russia Likely Did Swing Votes For Donald Trump (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2018 OP
Obviously, K&R n/t. rzemanfl Feb 2018 #1
K&R. It's good to see in print what we've known all along lunamagica Feb 2018 #2
Toss in the stunning interference by Comey... yallerdawg Feb 2018 #3
This: "The Republican consultant wonders how Trump supporters can argue The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #4
motivated many to vote for Stein or not vote at all beachbum bob Feb 2018 #5
I dont think voters shifted to Trump Proud liberal 80 Feb 2018 #6

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. Toss in the stunning interference by Comey...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:04 PM
Feb 2018

and you can document polling trending towards the tightening in the Rust Belt/Sanders strongholds.

3rd party candidates had phenomenal rises in numbers.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
4. This: "The Republican consultant wonders how Trump supporters can argue
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:16 PM
Feb 2018

that the social media ads and fake stories had no impact, when it was exactly the sort of thing the Trump campaign was doing itself. “You can’t say that what you were doing was effective, but what the Russians were doing wasn’t effective,” he said."

The Russians were spending more than $1M per month on their troll farm operation; you don't pump that kind of money into something that doesn't work. It's true that it isn't precisely quantifiable, in the sense of any particular person being persuaded to vote for Trump entirely because of the trolls' messages on their Facebook feed. Therefore we can't say as a provable fact that the Russians and not any other factor was the sole cause of Trump's win. But it didn't take a lot of votes. The timing of the Comey letter plus the trolls - and maybe that's all it took.

But that's what Trump's own campaign was doing, too. The Russians gave them a bigger megaphone.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
6. I dont think voters shifted to Trump
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:05 PM
Feb 2018

I think they voted Stein or didn’t vote at all. That was the real difference.

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