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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:29 PM Feb 2018

Yet more evidence we are majorly fucked in terms of the environment....

Global warming, water shortage crises, pollution, ocean acidification, the sixth great extinction. We all know that we have fucked this up terribly and are continuing to do so without abandon. This is just another possible piece of evidence to add to the list. I haven't read the paper in question so I'm not claiming to know how strong said evidence is but said paper claims that models show that deforestation of the Amazon past 20% of its original area may be a tipping point beyond which it will be unable to sustain itself. It would evolve into a dry Savannah or desert ecosystem. Currently the Amazon sequesters about a quarter of the world's atmospheric carbon. Meaning without it global warming would increase dramatically. But this is just one of many such possible negative feedback loops that scientists are worried about.

https://www.i4u.com/2018/02/127283/amazon-rainforest-may-have-reached-point-no-return

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Yet more evidence we are majorly fucked in terms of the environment.... (Original Post) Locut0s Feb 2018 OP
All very real and pressing existential concerns Calculating Feb 2018 #1
Well they are both important issues. I'd rather they both got argued... Locut0s Feb 2018 #2
All true Calculating Feb 2018 #3
Scale is something we already struggle with though... Locut0s Feb 2018 #4

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
1. All very real and pressing existential concerns
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:37 PM
Feb 2018

Too bad people would rather just argue about guns than issues which will actually doom our world if ignored.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
2. Well they are both important issues. I'd rather they both got argued...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:41 PM
Feb 2018

I'd like to think it's possible for us to care about both gun violence and saving the planet. Both are important topics for different reasons. Yes certainly in the long run the gun issue is of little importance with the fate of the world in the balance. But that's not how we humans think unfortunately. We are not logical creatures, we have difficulty caring about the fate of millions or billions or even our future generations. We need to start for the sake of the planet. But for our own societies the gun and violence issues are also important. What we can do without are all the million and one empty social distractions like what the royals are wearing, what the Kardashians are doing etc.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
3. All true
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 07:06 PM
Feb 2018

The problem is we seem to have limited ability to multi-task when engaging in activism and demanding change. I guess I just think all of this current energy getting funneled into 'gun control' would be better spent arguing in favor of climate sustainability or something. If we don't fix our dependence on carbon based energy then it's not gonna matter what we do about guns, in 50+ years the climate will be screwed and we're gonna have problems on a scale never seen before. It will make these shootings look like ants at a picnic in terms of scale.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
4. Scale is something we already struggle with though...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:15 PM
Feb 2018

I agree with you 100% but the problem is we as a species just haven't evolved the capability to think on the scales we now need too. In fact even now the school school shootings already technically arena drop in the bucket when it comes to the larger suffering of children world wide in terms of hunger, child mortality, poverty etc. But I think it's very understandable still why we get caught up by these issues still one being as I said we have difficulty biologically even thinking at all on those scales, but two because these are immediate things that affect us. I just wish we could focus equally on both. Or at least somewhat more equally.

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