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brooklynite

(94,679 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 07:46 PM Feb 2018

Comments on Parkland shooting by Al Franken

(From Facebook)

Last week, a young man used an AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifle to murder fourteen students and three members of the staff at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. As a father of two and a grandfather of three, I cannot imagine the heartache and the pain endured by the families who lost loved ones that day.

In the wake of this tragedy, President Trump announced that he would work “to help secure our schools, and tackle the difficult issue of mental health.” Regrettably, the president did not immediately acknowledge the American gun violence epidemic or commit to confronting just why we tolerate the proliferation of military-grade guns. He was, however, right to mention the issue of mental health – but I worry that here as well, his rhetoric does not match his actions.

As a senator, I spent a lot of my time and effort on mental health issues. There is no question that the shooter in Parkland is, like the perpetrators of all these mass killings, deeply troubled; and in this particular case, the shooter appears to have a history of mental illness. But we need to be very careful about stigmatizing mental illness in a way that is counterproductive and may ultimately prevent Americans from accessing the treatment they need.

The truth is – the vast majority of people suffering from mental illness are non-violent, and a very small portion of violence in America can be attributed to individuals who suffer from mental illness. In fact, people with mental illness are the victims of violence more often than those without mental illness. What we need more than anything in this country is to recognize that virtually every family in America is touched by a behavioral health issue – mental illness or addiction – and that we need to provide treatment in a smart, compassionate way to relieve suffering, save families and lives, and give us a more productive workforce.

Unfortunately, all too often, the urgency to address mental illness only appears in the fallout of a tragedy. After Sandy Hook, I heard some of my colleagues who had never seemed particularly interested in mental health say what we’re hearing a lot of today. “It’s not just guns. It’s mental health.” In some cases, it felt like they were checking off a box — saying the words “mental” and “health” and in the right order — and not paying much attention to the subject until the next mass shooting carried out with an assault weapon.

Like almost all of my Democratic colleagues, I supported a ban on assault weapons in 2013. As the students who survived the shooting at Parkland have said so powerfully, there is no reason to have a military-style weapon designed to kill human beings on our streets and in our schools. And despite a history of behavior and warning signs – signs that were repeatedly reported by his classmates – the nineteen-year-old shooter was permitted to legally purchase a weapon of war.
But the shooting WAS also about mental illness. And if we are to be serious about the subject, we need to acknowledge certain realities and develop a thoughtful and comprehensive approach to addressing them.

In the Senate I pushed for more mental health in schools and have seen the lives of kids and their families turned around by effective treatment. I have been to schools in Minnesota where mental health issues have been so successfully destigmatized that kids high-five their therapist in the school hallway. And the work of mental health professionals in schools also takes some of the burden off teachers to address behavioral issues in the classroom so they can focus on teaching.
The system that I’ve seen work effectively in schools involves every adult – teachers, the school bus drivers, the principal, the lunch ladies – who are trained to recognize what it looks like when a kid may be struggling. The adult asks one of the professionals in the school – a counselor, social worker, or, if possible, a therapist – who checks in with the student to determine if there is a serious issue, and if there is, makes sure that the student gets diagnosed and treated.

Mental health in schools was supported in the reform of No Child Left Behind, but at a woefully inadequate level. If the administration and Congress are serious about mental health, we need to devote more resources to treatment – not fewer resources, as we see in the administration’s latest budget.

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Comments on Parkland shooting by Al Franken (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2018 OP
AL Franken pamdb Feb 2018 #1
Im glad Al is still speaking out. badhair77 Feb 2018 #2
Thank you Al. Wellstone ruled Feb 2018 #3
Damn. Martin Eden Feb 2018 #4
Yes, he was. mn9driver Feb 2018 #5
I will neither forget or forgive. nt scarletwoman Feb 2018 #9
I certainly will not forget. calimary Feb 2018 #52
I suspect that is WHY he was removed. Stonepounder Feb 2018 #6
+1,000,000 Amaryllis Feb 2018 #13
Yes, a right wing smear and we fell for it, PatrickforO Feb 2018 #15
Not we. But I know what you mean. pangaia Feb 2018 #20
The Franken right wing smear was reminiscent... magicarpet Feb 2018 #22
With you here pandr32 Feb 2018 #28
What you mean we? dem4decades Feb 2018 #23
You know very well what I mean - PatrickforO Feb 2018 #26
What amazed me was those women congress-persons who lined up to hug Al. LuckyLib Feb 2018 #29
I was more shocked when Gillibrand went on the View and said something to the effect that lunamagica Feb 2018 #54
Unfortunately, the photographs were damning enough gyroscope Feb 2018 #60
Not all of us fell for it. ananda Feb 2018 #33
I used to be a big supporter. USED to. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2018 #43
SORRY, but I did NOT FALL for it...... a kennedy Feb 2018 #44
Sad we lost this good man. jalan48 Feb 2018 #7
I don't think he is finished. Susan Calvin Feb 2018 #8
My father was a clinical psychologist who worked at the Columbus State Hospital. Stonepounder Feb 2018 #10
If you are interested in following Al Franken pazzyanne Feb 2018 #11
Thanks. Just linked to his pages. n/t Stonepounder Feb 2018 #62
A voice of reason and maturity, understanding BREMPRO Feb 2018 #12
Well stated.. Mahalo Al Franken Cha Feb 2018 #14
He's a national treasure! NurseJackie Feb 2018 #16
Yes, he is.. no matter where Cha Feb 2018 #18
but we need him so much in the senate lunamagica Feb 2018 #50
I still can't get over the injustice that was done to him lunamagica Feb 2018 #53
I know.. it's so surreal Cha Feb 2018 #58
Franken was a great senator and is still a great man. (eom) StevieM Feb 2018 #17
Thank you, Senator Franken. You are sorely missed. I hope to see much more of you in the near rainin Feb 2018 #19
Ditto Doitnow Feb 2018 #21
Please come back Al! Run again. zentrum Feb 2018 #24
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Feb 2018 #25
Run for Potus in 2020, Al. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2018 #27
If you can, invite Al to DU, to visit or join Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #30
We dont have a great record with famous people. In my experience... Hekate Feb 2018 #31
All too true, I'm afraid, but that's not all DFW Feb 2018 #36
Interesting. PatrickforO Feb 2018 #57
Thank you Senator. We sincerely miss you nt Hekate Feb 2018 #32
K&R betsuni Feb 2018 #34
Thank you, Al! BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #35
WOW! MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #37
+++++ nt heaven05 Feb 2018 #39
++++ heaven05 Feb 2018 #38
so sad heaven05 Feb 2018 #40
Its so good to hear a well worded and thoughtful piece from Al Franken again. I wish he'd run for... marble falls Feb 2018 #41
I agree MyOwnPeace Feb 2018 #42
K&R nt NCTraveler Feb 2018 #45
Franken is Eloquent, as Usual dlk Feb 2018 #46
Good man. Thank you, Sen. Franken. nt Mc Mike Feb 2018 #47
Keep on keepin' Al. You still have a large following. oasis Feb 2018 #48
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #49
Still angry with Tammy Baldwin for piling on against Al HelenWheels Feb 2018 #51
Exactly what needed to be said. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2018 #55
minngal marieo1 Feb 2018 #56
#metoo Morris64 Feb 2018 #59
Speaking of irony Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #61
Thanks for posting this! And I'd certainly vote for him! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2018 #63

calimary

(81,421 posts)
52. I certainly will not forget.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:20 PM
Feb 2018

Thanks for creating more problems than you think you solved, Kirsten.

magicarpet

(14,160 posts)
22. The Franken right wing smear was reminiscent...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:31 PM
Feb 2018

Of the smear done to the Black voter registration group - Acorn, and then Planned Parenthood.

Hated by the far Right Wingers so much so they fabricate and concocted the smear and ultimate loss of funding sources then eventually cause total elimination.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
26. You know very well what I mean -
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:28 AM
Feb 2018

What was it, 38 Senators piled on and demanded he resign before he'd gotten due process? That's what I always had the problem with - he didn't get due process. Even a slime like Trump deserves, and in fact is entitled to, due process. But Al didn't get it.

Now, I called the offices of most of those Senators and registered my displeasure. So, I'm sure, did a lot of other people on here. I also wrote letters and signed a couple petitions, but alas, it did no good.

I say we, because we are all part of this party. We can't sit here and say 'they' did such and such, because 'them' is actually us.

We are not always going to agree on stuff. But this is OUR party. WE. When we make a mistake, we must own it and take steps that the mistake is not repeated.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
29. What amazed me was those women congress-persons who lined up to hug Al.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:11 AM
Feb 2018

Disgusting. He would have been within his rights to put his hands up and declare, "No thanks!"

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
54. I was more shocked when Gillibrand went on the View and said something to the effect that
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:28 PM
Feb 2018

she liked Al and considered him a friend. With friends like that...

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
43. I used to be a big supporter. USED to.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:10 PM
Feb 2018

Whether it was an underlying agenda or merely overexcited jumping on the #MeToo bus while completely misunderstanding the point of the movement, either way it ended up being anti-Justice and heartbreakingly damaging to Democratic Process and human rights in America. Al is one of our very best.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
10. My father was a clinical psychologist who worked at the Columbus State Hospital.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:41 PM
Feb 2018

We only had one car at the time, so it was not at all uncommon for my mom and my sister and I would drive to the hospital to puck him up after work. We would sit on the grounds, watch the squirrels, and often talk to folks. We never knew if we were talking to patients or staff. As Al so beautifully says, the vast majority of mentally ill folks are not violent. Some are, and the need to be locked up. Most are not, and just need help coping with day-to-day life.

We really, really, do NOT need some group to stigmatize.

Thank you, Al. Just for being you. Do not ever stop speaking out.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
12. A voice of reason and maturity, understanding
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:00 PM
Feb 2018

the complexity and that you can not just deflect blame on mental illness, but have to also deal with the insane easy access to weapons if war by virtually anyone in this country. Also i would add alienation, bullying, boys impulse control and taboo with expression of emotion, violent culture that glorifies war.. Arming teachers is an N RA bullet point, not a solution to a complex problem. I miss Frankens voice of reason ,and still angry he was disposed if so easily by his colleagues.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
19. Thank you, Senator Franken. You are sorely missed. I hope to see much more of you in the near
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:44 PM
Feb 2018

future. Run for Governor please.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,556 posts)
27. Run for Potus in 2020, Al.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:30 AM
Feb 2018

I think we understand how you got railroaded on this issue. For those that don't think that is the case, you can always vote for for for Donald Trump.

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
31. We dont have a great record with famous people. In my experience...
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:30 AM
Feb 2018

...DUers can be fickle. Send Senator Franken our best regards and promise to convey his thoughts to us. He and his record are much appreciated.

DFW

(54,428 posts)
36. All too true, I'm afraid, but that's not all
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 07:31 AM
Feb 2018

Right wing trolls peruse boards like ours in the hope of grabbing some convenient quote they can use out of context in some future ad (or smear campaign).

But when he puts out intelligent, coherent commentary like the one posted, we should display it proudly, as was done for this thread.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
57. Interesting.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 04:28 PM
Feb 2018

I think there are a lot of heavy hitters on this site, and I often hope that they are listening to some of the things we say in the threads. I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few staffers, and possibly some office holders, don't post on here without revealing who they are. If I were in office, I would certainly seek out a number of places like this and either assign staff or go in myself and test the waters, so to speak, on issues.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
37. WOW!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 07:39 AM
Feb 2018

This "brilliance" sitting outside the US Senate while we have dolts "inside" whose contributions to our country are guided by the amount of $$$$$$$ the NRA puts in their pockets.

We miss you, Al!!!!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. ++++
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 08:23 AM
Feb 2018

Tell it like it is, not many can in and out of our political process. I so want to go on..,but this is about Parkland and our citizen brown shirt army, usually mentally unfit, trying to show that they are in charge. How can I say this? Because 99.9% of these cowards are white male.

marble falls

(57,145 posts)
41. Its so good to hear a well worded and thoughtful piece from Al Franken again. I wish he'd run for...
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 10:50 AM
Feb 2018

office again and soon.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
42. I agree
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 11:33 AM
Feb 2018

and I think he's smart enough (well, there's no doubt about how smart he is) to put together a campaign that would answer any questions regarding why he left the senate (or was pushed out!) and again convince an electorate that he's the right person for the job!

Go, AL!!!!

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
51. Still angry with Tammy Baldwin for piling on against Al
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:17 PM
Feb 2018

I was a real backer of Baldwin before she threw Al on the garbage heap. I will still vote for her but I no longer donate to her campaign. I have been invited several times to attend fund raisers for Baldwin and each time I tell the caller how I now feel about Baldwin. I am very sad about this.

AL MUST GET BACK INTO OFFICE. HE WAS THE BEST OF ALL THE SENATORS!

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
55. Exactly what needed to be said.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:28 PM
Feb 2018

Not sure if anyone else already did, but not surprised this came from Franken. He is missed.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
56. minngal
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:38 PM
Feb 2018

Al Franken, you exactly verbalized my thoughts!!! Thank you so much. I just want you to know how devastated I was that you felt you had to step down. I could see you being our next President!!

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
61. Speaking of irony
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 08:20 PM
Feb 2018


The audio book of this is as good as anything he’s written, and that’s saying something

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