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bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:02 PM Feb 2018

Air Force Chief Goldfein: Well be fighting from space in a matter of years

Space News
February 24, 2018
By Sandra Erwin
ORLANDO, FLA. — Gen. David Goldfein’s speech on Friday represented the strongest rhetoric yet on space warfare as an area that deserves special attention from the U.S. Air Force.
Goldfein, the Air Force’s chief of staff, told a large audience of active-duty airmen that they have to start thinking about outer space the same way they think about airspace.
I believe we’re going to be fighting from space in a matter of years,” he said. “And we are the service that must lead joint war fighting in this new contested domain. This is what the nation demands.”
Although Goldfein had made similar points in past speeches, this one stood out as more emphatic and stark about the role of the Air Force in space warfare.
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http://spacenews.com/air-force-chief-goldfein-well-be-fighting-from-space-in-a-matter-of-years/

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Air Force Chief Goldfein: Well be fighting from space in a matter of years (Original Post) bronxiteforever Feb 2018 OP
I remember when the experts said the same thing in late 60s. Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #1
While the world burns and the people starve, the wars will continue. earthshine Feb 2018 #15
I get a kick out of those fabulous pictures of the world in 2050 with the shining cities of glass .. Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #16
I remember when we talked more about exploring space than going to war in space, and any war in highplainsdem Feb 2018 #2
I don't believe he's talking in terms of space fighters launching... Xolodno Feb 2018 #3
Great idea! Let's fill the space around earth with shrapnel! hunter Feb 2018 #4
Gonna need more money in other words. czarjak Feb 2018 #5
So, NRA chuckle heads there goes your argument about guns being a deterrent to government tyranny Yavin4 Feb 2018 #6
hey stupid general, trump wants to privatize US space ventures and take em away from the military msongs Feb 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author RestoreAmerica2020 Feb 2018 #17
Why is their first thought always war? Initech Feb 2018 #8
But if you remember the history of Star Trek, there had been a war csziggy Feb 2018 #9
Wow I hadn't thought of that angle. Initech Feb 2018 #14
And we are spending 100s of billions BaileyBill Feb 2018 #10
The article needs a soundtrack Major Nikon Feb 2018 #11
Isn't it kind of the pinnacle of human stupidity to try and weaponize space rather than explore it? Oneironaut Feb 2018 #12
Whatever happened to the international agreement to keep weapons of war out of space? shraby Feb 2018 #13

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
1. I remember when the experts said the same thing in late 60s.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:08 PM
Feb 2018

It will never happen. Global warming will bring down civilization before we get that far.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
15. While the world burns and the people starve, the wars will continue.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:58 AM
Feb 2018

The last vestiges of civilization will be the military.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
16. I get a kick out of those fabulous pictures of the world in 2050 with the shining cities of glass ..
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:53 AM
Feb 2018

.. and chrome.

2050 is 32 years from now.
32 years ago was 1986.

Compare Mumbai in 1986 to Mumbai in 2018. Now project the same amount of change by 2050. It's filthier and more crowded.
Compare Detroit in 1986 with Detroit in 2018. Now project the same amount of change by 2050. It's a virtual ghost town.

Somehow, I don 't see all the slums of Nairobi vanishing in 32 years to be replaced by shining towers of glass and chrome. It's make no sense whatsoever. Nor do I see the Victorian row houses of San Fransisco being plowed under, or the Brownstones of New York's Upper West Side being replaced by "futuristic" domes and pyramids 32 years from now.

In 1967 I worked in an office in the "Equitable Building" in Hollywood. Google street view of that building looks the same now as it looked 51 years ago. The "Pantages Theater" sign I could see from my office window hasn't changed in those 51 years. What used to be "Lums Hot Dogs" is now Starbucks, but the building itself has not changed. There are a couple new buildings, and most of the old ones have new paint, but the parking lot between my building and the Capitol Records tower where I parked my car every day for many years is still a parking lot. These idiots who dream of miracles in a mere 30 years are delusional.

highplainsdem

(48,993 posts)
2. I remember when we talked more about exploring space than going to war in space, and any war in
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:13 PM
Feb 2018

space we envisioned would be against aliens, not against each other.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
3. I don't believe he's talking in terms of space fighters launching...
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:42 PM
Feb 2018

...from an orbital space station, hi-tech air to space fighters, Battlestars or Star Destroyers, etc.

But "spy satellites" taking out other spy satellites, communication satellites, Surface to Orbit missiles taking out enemy satellites, etc. Thankfully there are treaties to keep nukes being launched from satellites.

Think I read somewhere there are plans...or perhaps they already?... to drop metal objects that can survive re-entry and wipe out cities.

But how many countries are we talking about that have this capability or close to having it? The US, Russia, EU, China and India.

hunter

(38,316 posts)
4. Great idea! Let's fill the space around earth with shrapnel!
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:49 PM
Feb 2018

The rest of the universe will rest easier knowing we can no longer leave this planet.



Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
6. So, NRA chuckle heads there goes your argument about guns being a deterrent to government tyranny
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:52 PM
Feb 2018

If they can kill you from space, what good will your guns do?

Response to msongs (Reply #7)

Initech

(100,079 posts)
8. Why is their first thought always war?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:02 AM
Feb 2018

On Star Trek, the USS Enterprise was always on peace keeping missions. Why can't it be that?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
9. But if you remember the history of Star Trek, there had been a war
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:12 AM
Feb 2018

That devastated Earth.

Starfleet Academy courses, History
Human history


During the early 2000s, the international scene was deteriorating as well. The United Nations had been reorganized as the New United Nations. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint&quot A number of nations joined together in a union known as the Eastern Coalition. Hostilities between the Eastern Coalition and forces including the United States broke out in 2026 as World War III. The conflict soon escalated into full-blown nuclear holocaust, engulfing much of the globe and again nearly returning Human civilization to a dark age. 600 million people died across the planet as a result. The subsequent collapse of the global economy, political systems, and the drastic environmental effects of the war devastated those nations which had escaped direct nuclear attack. (Star Trek: First Contact; VOY: "In the Flesh"; ENT: "In A Mirror Darkly" production art)

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With most of the major governments collapsed, law and order soon degraded into a "guilty-until-proven-innocent", lawyer-free show trial system which lasted until 2079 in some parts of the world. (Star Trek: First Contact; TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", "All Good Things...&quot

The period from the 19th to the late 21st centuries also saw dramatic environmental degradation due to Human activities. Humans were responsible for the extinction of many species, including the draco lizard, white rhinoceros, the buffalo, and the humpback whale (the latter eventually proved to be sentient and were brought back from extinction by James Kirk). Human industrial activities also resulted in massive air pollution and degradation of Earth's ozone layer. The nuclear wars led to several "nuclear winters", as well as radiation poisoning of both Humans and animals. (TOS: "The Man Trap"; Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home; TNG: "When The Bough Breaks", "New Ground&quot
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Human_history


It was not until the planet recovered and that contact was made with aliens that humans began space exploration as a peaceful venture.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
14. Wow I hadn't thought of that angle.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:51 AM
Feb 2018

If only Gene Roddenberry had been alive today to see Trump and Un in action, that prediction is not that far off!

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
12. Isn't it kind of the pinnacle of human stupidity to try and weaponize space rather than explore it?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:28 AM
Feb 2018

It's like, "We have this whole frontier out there, ready to be explored! Let's stay on earth forever and invent new ways to kill each other instead!" I wish the human race was less violent and more intelligent.

We'll probably need to almost obliterate ourselves before we learn our lesson (if we survive and are humble enough). The solution to all of our troubles is out there, plain to see, but we would rather kill each other for the limited resources we have right now.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
13. Whatever happened to the international agreement to keep weapons of war out of space?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:37 AM
Feb 2018

That was done when the space race was on in Kennedy's years.

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