The republican leadership is in collusion with trump on Russia.

How many times have we said that this is the clincher that will get rid of him? Then, of course, nothing happens and we careen toward the next scandal or outrageous tweet.

The rethugs have their dream prez and they will protect him to the end.

If they have continued to defend him through outrage after outrage, I can't see that changing. At this point, his defenders and enablers are in it just as deep as he is.

that Mueller will take down a few of the GOP leadership, too. They are up to their necks in Russian Money. Then the GOP will be left with a choice - back the crooks and traitors, and risk becoming irrelevant and powerless, or cleaning house and trying to keep a foot in the door of congress. I have no doubt this very thought is going through the minds of Repubs in Congress - do I back Trump, McConnell, Ryan, etc., and risk being kicked out of office or thrown in jail, or saving my hide and impeaching Trump, so I can look like I am acting for the good of America?

An while Rs are in power, I don't see that happening. They are corrupt and complicit.

I believe if the "Rs" can no longer use him for their end game, to push their agenda they will dump him.. If the november elections side heavy for the Dem's they will dump him.
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the Mayflower meeting is critical...quid pro quo there ...get me elected , sanctions lifted and we both make money off of oil..

Maybe some secretly want that, so they won't have to do the dirty work and face the wrath of Trump voters.

which would be impossible unless the GOP joins us? We don't have the numbers and mathematically we can't achieve a Senate majority in 18 that would allow us to convict without Republicans. Clinton was impeached in the House but acquitted in the Senate. He remained in office.

I'd like to think colluding with a Foreign Power, and an Enemy at that, to Fix A U.S. Presidential Election is a little bit different than lying about an "affair" you had with an intern.

removed from office. The same is true for Trump...unless the GOP agrees to convict...there is simply very little point in impeachment.

Rs turned on him in droves to try to salvage their own hides. If the evidence against AnusMouth is damning enough, today's cowards will do likewise. Then, when the heat is off, they will go back to being gutless, corporate-owned whores who will do their masters' bidding.

Republicans need to be stamped out in November. Regardless of what happens with the Mueller investigation or the GOP's response, Democrats can effectively neuter Trump (if he's still in office) by regaining the majority in Congress.

That's our insurance policy.

Because you're right, Republicans will not act to throw the mobster out on his ear because the GOP is on the take.

Blue Tsunami 2018! Vote for every Democrat for every slot.

There is simply NO excuse EVER, for not voting.

I don’t care how meaningless or useless it might SEEM to be. Do it, ANYWAY, Dammit!

VOTE, Dammit!

and always, always ALWAYS vote Democratic. There are NO good Republicans. Any Democrat is better than any Republican, always!

he was very sick and could not leave his bed. And said he had no control over it. I told him that he could vote absentee ballot on a day he felt well. I had to do that once as I was taking a trip and would be in Europe on election day. I really emphasized the importance of his vote (altho it didn't matter too much in CT which was going for HRC big time anyway. Still, it's the principle of the thing...

They will not do it. They're starting to see they are paying a price for 45 in the special elections so far. It hasn't been enough yet to cause action on their part.

Republican defections from congress that is. Unfortunately it seems to be the sane ones leaving.

"Conspiracy against the United States." IOW, the GOP leadership will be faced with conspiracy and RICO. Mueller has no loyalty to the GOP leadership. He knows that the GOP has gone far astray from their role in US politics. He knows that the GOP is no longer legitimate because of the evidence he's gathered thus far. Mueller is looking at crimes by Paul Ryan, McConnell, Dana Rohrbacher, Devin Nunes, Jason Chaffetz, Rudy Guiliani, Trey Gowdy, and others. They ALL either participated in accepting money for the election from foreign adversaries, or had knowledge of it and remained silent. As a RICO case, the GOP will be forced to surrender any assets that they gained in the commission of their crimes, which may very well include donations from anyone based on the premise that criminally obtained money and information set the stage for those subsequent donations. IOW, the GOP has set the stage for their own organizational and financial decimation. Under other circumstances, the GOP's influence and power might mitigate the extent to which they can and will be prosecuted. But because their criminal behavior is so utterly damaging to the entire country, the GOP may have crossed the line and may not have a way to negotiate a settlement and remain viable as a legitimate political party in its present form.

Trump could perform a satanic ceremony on the white house lawn, republinazis will spin it, and evangelicals will give him another "mulligan".

They have closed ranks. As Paul Ryan said in that Repub mtg that got leaked: "We're family." That sounds like the mob.

It's important to WIN ELECTIONS.

are skating on thin ice with outing trumputin

All 30 crimes charged against Manafort precede the day Trump entered the race for nomination.

Manafort is looking at a lot of time in jail. A Presidential pardon won’t take the heat off. The charges he’s filing keep moving closer to the election. One can only imagine the sleazy financial dealings that Trump friends and family had during those same time periods. Again, state officials have all of the research at their disposal. I don’t see a way to pardon or fire his way out of what Iscoming down the pipe. This is just one aspect of a very complex and far reaching investigation.

He'll have to decide whether he'll die to protect Trumpy's backside. If he decides to flip, he'll have to surmount a mess of problems to ensure his own survival after he does a short stint in tennis prison. Once he serves his time after the flip, he'll have to dodge Deripaska's revenge. Oleg will NEVER want to send a message to those who do business with him that there's a way out of stiffing him and remaining a breathing organism. So Paulie's got big problems once he's on the sidewalk.

If he does that Putin will have him "disappeared" in no time. Witness protection won't save him either.
He's between a rock and a hard place. Am I right?

I really do hope he flips though. Mueller needs him.

Now it alleges money laundering through 2016 but does not specify exactly what money was involved, unlike what it states for previous years. By holding back info for 2016, Mueller is implying that illegal activities in 2016 were related to Trump, but he doesn't want to reveal how much he actually knows about it.

Trump was probably working with the Russians long before he ran for president. He's getting his money from somewhere, and it's not any US bank.

Manafort had big bucks from 2010 to 2014 that he was getting from Ukraine. When Yanukovych fled to Russia in 2014, Manafort started having money problems and borrowed/took millions from Russian oligarch, Deripasti. Deripasti tried to get his money back in the Cayman Islands and even took it to court in the US. At this point, Manafort and Gates were desperate to raise money by lying to banks, etc. However, as soon as Manafort was in the White House, Deripasti stopped trying to get his money back. So, it sounds like there might have been some favors. Also, I thought she said Manafort was getting loans illegally when he was in White House. I need to listen to her podcast again - I highly recommend it.

That is the best chance to discourage tRump's base from voting in mid-terms. Dem majority in House is a must if impeachment is to occur.

But Mueller is trying to build the strongest possible case, and a Manafort flip will help do that. I also think he already has enough evidence to proceed without Manafort.

...he dies in prison.

Manafort is essentially stiffing a Russian mob boss for tens of millions of dollars with no way to pay back the "loan." The gig is up for Paulie Walnuts. He has three choices:

1. Off himself.
2. Plead guilty, get witness protection and a lighter sentence, which means he'll give Mueller all of the Trumpy family, including Princess Ivanka, on a silver platter.
3. Go to trial, get a guilty verdict, and die in prison.

Those, of course, are HIS choices. Russian oligarchs like Oleg Deripaska have their own choices to make. A Paul Manafort at large in society means a Paul Manafort who is tracked and targeted by a mob boss who was stiffed for tens of millions. Manafort, outside prison, is a dead man walking. Manafort cannot start a reality TV show. Manafort cannot protect himself by joining Fox News as an anchor person or "contributor". Manafort will be stripped of all assets. His kids and family will have nothing after the DoJ is done with him. I feel SOME sadness for his kids, but copied emails from his kids show that they were at least partially aware of their father's criminal actions for an extended period of time. Hopefully, they have their own ways of surviving their father's crimes, but it won't be from anything Paulie had gotten from his treasonous behavior.

From his daughters' emails asking, "Why is Dad suddenly so cheap?" to what I have heard from matter-of-fact pundits who say that Manafort knows Putin's pals will kill him and that's why he is remaining silent. Witness protection or killing himself are his only options. If he goes to jail he could easily be killed there too. I have seen Goodfellas enough times to know this is no game he is playing. I hope all his assets are seized and his family is left with peanuts like Madoff's was.

For him to plead guilty to these charges to testify on these issues against Trump. They're not going to charge him for it now.

They're throwing all the other things he's done against them to leverage that against him without poisoning his testimony by charging him for what they're going to go after Trump on. Further, what all these charges against him and Gates clearly show, is it they were intimately in bed with Russian Power Players.

No chance for impeachment if GOP hangs on to the House majority.

It makes perfect sense...and Trump did business with Manafort for years. Also, they were there for the Mayflower meeting where I believe a quid pro quo...was enacted...help me get elected and I lift the sanctions and then I get x amount of dollar for an oil deal. Trump is dirty and unless he resigns will die in prison. He is our first Russian spy/traitor president.

It is now close to a year since Mueller began investigating Russia collusion. I want Donny's guilt exposed BEFORE the mid-terms. There is no chance in hell to impeach tRump if GOP holds the House.

Unless it becomes so obvious that even his base can't deny it the risk is too great. It will be better to wait.

He got Pence in for VP and Pence got Flynn in for National Security. Once Manafort got that much done he could bow out and let Gates do follow up work.

Because thats what they feel they can prove at this point. If Gates' testimony furthers the collusion investigation then we may begin to see indictments come down there as well.

Nothing.

John Dean's republicans were principled. Today's republicans are shameful cretins, traitors, and scum.

It's game over.

Trump will get off unscathed.

Unless Democrats get control

And he's finished
Even if we only just take the house at least we'll be able to box him in.... prevent him for doing as much as we can....
But I think we'll get both the house and the Senate I don't care how difficult they say the Senate is they didn't see Alabama coming.
The force is with us.

votes in the Senate for a conviction. Thus, Republicans must cooperate.

He could have shot an innocent man to death. The Fucking Republicans will still find a way to support the MoFo.

But thanks for playing.

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I'm really not clear on what you are saying here.

My point the that Republicans are like suicide terrorists. They are will continue shielding Trump even if they all have to go down together.

I think Trumpies days are numbered

Just knowledge. Surely drumpf knew manafort was not pulling this shit out of thin air

If it's Gates word against Manafort's and Trump's, Trump's presidency does not end.

There will be hard evidence.

There are hints of lots of things that Robert Mueller has that will spell doom for Trump & Co.

which didn't indicate any evidence other than Gates' testimony.

If there is hard evidence, Gates' testimony isn't all that critical, so it's a fair assumption that Dean's statement was not based on their being hard evidence.

Before posting this.
We live in hope.

Hope.

I really hope that's right. But where will they jump to? How will they spin all of this?? If they're cornered, will they will hammer their fundamentalist religious base even more? Isn't their claim now that God is on their side??? What else is that base capable of doing to our government?

Their only way to succeed will be to drive further divisions socially, sow more mistrust. Between whites, blacks, hispanics, heterosexuals, gays, working people, professionals. Whatever it takes. Didn't that numbskull Quale start all that by saying that American intellectuals were elitists? Out of touch with America? Talk about a wedge in our society. Shameful.

Not sure what their desperation will entail exactly, but I do know that historically, it's what dictatorial governments have done to keep power, over and over. LIE, SPIN, LIE, SPIN, LIE.

We really have to be ready and not take the bait. Stay sane and true to democratic principles. It's hard right now but more important then ever to do that. There's a long proud history to lean on in OUR COUNTRY. Imperfect yes, but the idea is to move forward. Not backward.

I predict that before too long Trump will pardon all the guys who have flipped in the hopes that then Mueller won't have anyone to testify against him. I know it's insane but ... so? This is Trump.

And the Republicans will totally ignore this criminal action and continue worshiping Trump as their lord god president.

Just watch.

...the present Republican Congress will not convict. Mueller should wait until November.

defending seats in red states;I hope we hold those seats...there are not enough GOP seats up even if we got them all to give us enough of a majority( 2/3) in the Senate.

....it does not look good...but I hope a few Republicans crossover. Most Americans do not know how the process works... they think "Impeach" means a President leaves office.

he did to have betrayed his country and made oil deals with the Russians, we might get the votes.

And yes there is evidence

1st off was Trump and his crew professional enough to do all their dirty work in code language so their is no primary evidence? doubtful

2nd can the US population handle our prez who is worshipped by 1/3 of the population can we deal with our leader being a crook or are they going to try to give the evidence to us in smaller amounts so our little minds can integrate it? time will tell

3rd will the FBI and the powerful in DC politics walk into the Whitehouse one day soon and show Trump the evidence against him and tell Trump heres how its gonna go from now on OR you and your family are going to loose all that ill gotten bounty.... we are last to know either way

I think we are at 2, they already have primary evidence of Trump conspiring and they are giving it to us in doses through the media

possibility that the Senate would convict.

However, IMO, it's uncertain whether the mere impeachment would impact (excuse the alliteration) elections as far as denying re-election of Trump and/or a republican majority in either/both House(s) of Congress.

Buh-bye.

nothing.

It's like that guy from Fox News said, "Even if he was guilty, would you care?"

an election and was going to get an oil payday for lifting sanctions. Already less voted for him than any president in history. God knows how many state secrets he has revealed (and Kushner) due to Russian blackmail and greed.

The Americn people, the majority, already want him impeached, but Congress gets to vote on it, under the watchful eye of traitors Ryan and McConnell.

An indictment before the elections would be good. Then the Democrats can run on a "Republicans will do nothing about a crooked president" platform.

.. I don't see how Reeps can obstruct or do nothing.

But who knows?

No, good options.

I find hope in the idea, that more people have learned they need to vote.

is that he is trying to take down Pence along with Trump.

I was watching/listening to Malcolm Nance on the Stephanie Miller show and something he said really hit me. I never thought about this before. It had to do with the elections in Ukraine. The one where the Russian leaning candidate won against Yulia Tymoshenko.

Malcolm mentioned Yulia Tymoshenko, the former Prime Minister of Ukraine and presidential candidate against the Russian backed guy in that campaign. Malcolm said that "Yulia Tymoshenko is the Hillary Clinton of Ukraine." That comment shook me for a moment. I knew a little about that Ukrainian presidential election. I knew right after that election, Yulia was sent to prison. Then I did some digging. I discovered there was a "Yulia for prison" movement during that particular Ukrainian election. A huge swath of the Ukrainian people cried fowl and said Yulia's imprisonment was political. Many nations and world groups also denounced the imprisonment. Then I remembered the hateful "Hillary for prison" movement in the Trump campaign. And guess who was involved, in influential ways, in both campaigns?

I'm still researching and organizing the info and would like like to do a thread once I have all the info together. The coincidences between that Ukrainian election and the same nasty, filthy tactics used against Hillary are skip-a-heartbeat striking.

If there is enough evidence, which IMHO there will be, Mueller will show them the door. He will lay it out, giving him little choice. Mueller will seize assets, leaving them with nothing, and he will have to face the real possibility of javanka, erk and dodart jr facing prosecution as well. You can leave now, take your creepy kids and go away or see your mob family destroyed. Mueller WILL take those treasonous brats of his down. Dodart won’t let javanka swing. He will go

Congress may be ours or may not, the repukes, of course they won’t act. That won’t change the facts. Dodart will have to face the music even if it’s in 2020 when he once again is jqp crime figure.

and how much longer the betrayal of the Republicans go.

the varies Repugnants will claim Gates is making it up to save his own skin.

Dream on