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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:23 PM Feb 2018

Kasich ponders end of two-party system


BY LUIS SANCHEZ - 02/25/18 10:31 AM EST

Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) said on Sunday that the U.S. might be witnessing the end of the two-party political system.

“We may be beginning to see the end of a two-party system,” Kasich said on ABC’s "This Week." "I'm starting to really wonder if we are going to see a multi-party system at some point in the future in this country because I don't think either party is answering people's deepest concerns and needs.”

Kasich, who appeared alongside Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D), said that the Republican Party is his "vehicle," not his "master." The Republican governor, who mounted an unsuccessful 2016 presidential bid, has been highly critical of President Trump and has reportedly been considering a 2020 run, including a possible challenge to Trump in the Republican primaries.
There was also speculation that Kasich and Hickenlooper could form a bipartisan ticket to run in the 2020 presidential election, but both governors have denied the rumors.

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Kasich ponders end of two-party system (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
Gov. Kasich didn't have a problem helping his party out by gerrymandering the hell out of his state. StevieM Feb 2018 #1
Kasich... The kinder gentler Zoonart Feb 2018 #3
He is totally right wing. He just doesn't come across as being completely nuts. tblue37 Feb 2018 #7
I heard that. He was almost making sense until he said, "It's up to god." He was asked if he'd run f lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #17
He did it in all Democratic areas...I live in a smallish town and we lost all of out polls but 1... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #13
Never going to happen in an electoral republic. CincyDem Feb 2018 #2
If jungle primaries were adopted and party labels omitted from ballot... David__77 Feb 2018 #4
Interesting point. I don't agree but this is worth discussing. StevieM Feb 2018 #9
There are many 'nonpartisan' local elections crazycatlady Feb 2018 #19
Those who think third parties are the salvation are not paying attention...in areas that have them.. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #14
In the system I mean to describe, a majority would be required to win. David__77 Feb 2018 #15
That is interesting but...you would have even less chance if the gerrymander holds... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #16
The parties might rearrange and rename themselves, but The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #5
The two party system is entrenched in corrupt law at this point unblock Feb 2018 #6
The two existing parties have extensive legal privileges written into state election laws - so no FarCenter Feb 2018 #8
A two-party system is the inevitable (though unintended) consequence of our electoral system. dawg Feb 2018 #10
Kasich can start the NEW REPUBLIKAN MISOGYNIST PARTY! Greybnk48 Feb 2018 #11
Go for it, John! Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #12
My party is untenable. Ergo the Dem party is untenable as well ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #18

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
1. Gov. Kasich didn't have a problem helping his party out by gerrymandering the hell out of his state.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:28 PM
Feb 2018

And he didn't have a problem reducing polling stations in heavily minority areas.

tblue37

(65,357 posts)
7. He is totally right wing. He just doesn't come across as being completely nuts.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:38 PM
Feb 2018

But he still adheres to most of their extreme positions.

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
17. I heard that. He was almost making sense until he said, "It's up to god." He was asked if he'd run f
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:06 PM
Feb 2018

for potus.

Well, excuse me, but do ALL of these goopers believe gawd calls them to rule? Seriously?

I really really really don't want to live anywhere that the leaders think gawd told them to rule the rest of us. Period.

And that's not because I believe gawd has some kind of angle or influence, It's because there is no gawd and these fools are delusional.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
13. He did it in all Democratic areas...I live in a smallish town and we lost all of out polls but 1...
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:10 PM
Feb 2018

Crazy.

CincyDem

(6,360 posts)
2. Never going to happen in an electoral republic.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:37 PM
Feb 2018


I think it's fair to consider that we might be witnessing the end of "this" two-party system (Republican/Democrat) but we're not going to see viable multi-party politics unless we see shift to some kind of coalition leadership model.

With the current "winner take all" structure, the more political parties, the lower the threshold % for the winner and, conversely, the increasing % of voices NOT represented in the leadership.

David__77

(23,404 posts)
4. If jungle primaries were adopted and party labels omitted from ballot...
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:51 PM
Feb 2018

Then I could see party mattering much, much less.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. Interesting point. I don't agree but this is worth discussing.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:45 PM
Feb 2018

We have jungle primaries in California and Louisiana. The states are no less partisan.

Nebraska has a nominally non-partisan legislature. They are still partisan enough to gerrymander their house districts, making some adjustments after Obama won an electoral vote there in 2008.

I think that the main issue is left and right. Or at this point I should say center-left and right. The names of the parties, or even their existence, are secondary.

I do think that jungle primaries and non-party ID ballots could have an impact, in theory, but that impact would be completely overwhelmed by other factors currently playing out in our society.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
19. There are many 'nonpartisan' local elections
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:12 PM
Feb 2018

In my own town, the elections are officially nonpartisan but the mayor and council govern as if it is partisan.

They're not allowed to have a party ID on the ballot, but my county Democratic party asks people to run for these seats (not sure if the GOP does as I don't get their emails).

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
14. Those who think third parties are the salvation are not paying attention...in areas that have them..
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:11 PM
Feb 2018

conservatives win often with a minority of the vote and govern for years.

David__77

(23,404 posts)
15. In the system I mean to describe, a majority would be required to win.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:16 PM
Feb 2018

The jungle primary narrows the field to two, who then face off.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
16. That is interesting but...you would have even less chance if the gerrymander holds...
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 05:41 PM
Feb 2018

And I can't see it working here.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,697 posts)
5. The parties might rearrange and rename themselves, but
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:28 PM
Feb 2018

with the system we have now it's not likely that there will ever be more than two viable parties. In a parliamentary system it's possible to form coalitions of multiple parties because people vote for seats in the parliament, and the party or coalition with the most seats can control the introduction and passage of legislation. The prime minister is also a member of the parliament and is not separate from it. There is no separation of powers as in our system; the executive, which is really just the majority party or coalition, derives its powers from the legislature. I don't think it could be made to work in our existing system.

unblock

(52,232 posts)
6. The two party system is entrenched in corrupt law at this point
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:34 PM
Feb 2018

Many advantages that are hard for third parties but easy for big established parties that got a lot of votes in the last election.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
8. The two existing parties have extensive legal privileges written into state election laws - so no
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:44 PM
Feb 2018

Instead of multiple parties and coalition building after elections, the more likely outcome will be continued intra-party fights among organized, party-like factions for control of the party machinery during election cycles.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
10. A two-party system is the inevitable (though unintended) consequence of our electoral system.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:54 PM
Feb 2018

No amount of wishing it were not so will change that.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
11. Kasich can start the NEW REPUBLIKAN MISOGYNIST PARTY!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:04 PM
Feb 2018

He's a wolf in sheep's clothing and no better than any of them.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
12. Go for it, John!
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:08 PM
Feb 2018

Over the last few decades, splinter parties have hurt Dems far more than Repubs. If John-boy wants to set up another 'conservative' leaning party, I say: Go for it!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
18. My party is untenable. Ergo the Dem party is untenable as well
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 06:10 PM
Feb 2018

That's the way I read it anyway. What a bunch of bullshit.

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