in the case of the Florida thing the school officers, administration, police, FBI, or, heck, *anybody* could just do their jobs and prevent an obvious nutcase from murdering people.

do you think it would cost to refit all doors and hire guards in all parks? Who'll pay? Fed.or local? Taxes or fees? OR assault guns could be banned and mental health and existing social services funded and needed up. I report, you decide

federal funds because the laws that have been passed by both governing bodies have helped create the problem.

It would sure be a lot better than having unguarded doors that can be shot open and allow invasion.

And once the children have entered and exited, what happens to the booth? And why not just wait outside the school?

The element of surprise means all school "hardening" nonsense is just to give gunners a hardon.

if thousands of people had to use such a system for entry or exit, on a daily basis, and even worse if they had to use it multiple times a day.

No one would have to pass through them and they wouldn't have to be taken down. The doors on the school would remain as they are. The guards would be inside the booth for their own protection if needed.

We can't just keep letting heavily armed intruders get into the school in the first place. After they are in, it's too late.

It'd be easy pickings as the kids pour out through the funnel of death doorway.

People are willing to try everything except removing guns from the hands of nutters. I'm not calling everyone who has a gun a nutter. I have a few for work, but when I'm not working they are locked away.

There are no easy answers.

It will require a ton of changes to successfully secure buildings like schools and other public buildings. There are ways that it can be done without making everything look like a prison.

Metal detectors can be fit invisibly into door jams and entry ways and tuned to only pick up large metal items like full size handguns and rifles.

It will take ingenuity as we move forward to make security not feel like security. So much of what we have now is security theater and only aims to make you feel secure by seeing a few obnoxious, overt measures like cops with metal detector wands at doorways.

1. There is little space inside a door jam.
2. Commercial door jambs are steel.

American society needs to come to terms with taking guns away from those who shouldn't have them. Schools cannot be restructured to be completely safe without becoming gulags.

A private entity such as a nightclub can foot their own safety measures, but public ones can be funded by a combination of state and federal funds.

I was just using a school as an example.
I've got things to do now. I'll let the "deep" thinkers continue if they want.

parking lots outside shopping malls and movie theaters and grocery stores and sporting events? land of the free = armed camp?

Just, "No."

but thank you for your deep thoughts.

How you gonna keep stuff out of schools The assault guns have to go. Hopefully metal detectors would catch most handguns. Sniffing technology might detect gun powder residue someday.

arresting its leadership would probably go a long way to solving all of our society's gun related problems.

On what charge?

prosecute them under RICOH. Or better yet, let's actually grow some BALLS in this nation for once and have the NRA officially declared a terrorist organization. That would make their leaders terrorists or terrorist conspirators by default giving the government the right to arrest them.

Send them to GITMO. It's about time that place actually house real terrorists anyway.

But don't let facts get in the way of your cool fantasies.

Let's keep the authoritarian dial as low as possible instead of cranking it to 11...

Ok?

Sheesh...

is to trash the Constitution. Think that sounds like a good idea? I don't. Remember, whatever we can do to them, they can do to us.

the constitution...and what you posted is a GOP meme. We believe in the constitution...and I also believe the right wing troll court got the individual right to carry wrong and a later court much the way early civil rights rulings were nullified will eventually revisit it and correct their mistake. There is no constitutional right to an AR 15 or a giant magazine.

so is freedom to associate.

it....I couldn't associate with the NRA they are drenched in the blood of innocents.

Don't own a gun--never have, and never will. I just understand that what goes around comes around.

I remember all the Dems cheering when Harry Reid deep-sixed the filibuster for judicial nominees. I cringed, because I could see what would happen. Hello, Justice Gorsuch.

You want to criminalize the NRA, imprison their leaders, put their membership on watch lists? Well, watch what they will do to the SEIU, ACLU, BLM, and dozens of left leaning organizations.

(BTW, no one has yet told me how that will happen, considering they are doing nothing illegal.)

defending the NRA. Poster child!

not the NRA. Maybe tRumpy will declare the ACLU a terrorist organization and have its leaders arrested under RICOH. Really want to open that can of worms?

The NRA is a terrorist organization...no different than the alt right...they have many members who are alt right. But no one hear ever advocated locking anyone up...GOP meme.

but there are some people here who want to treat NRA members the same way sex offenders are treated.

And--as long as they aren't doing anything illegal, gun owners have the same right to form an association as anyone else. If you don't like it, do what you can to change the Constitution, but don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass.

At my kids school all entry doors are locked at all times except when the kids are let in and out of school. The main entrance has a intercom and camera. If you want in after the school is locked, then you need a legit reason. They won't buzz anyone in unless they know who you are and why you are there. If you refuse to leave the SRO and outside police respond immediately.

everyone...this is not a school security problem...this is a gun problem...remember Las Vegas?

Remotely operated, bulletproof glass, sliding doors. One person is allowed into the "people lock". The outer door closes. That person punches in a code. The inner door opens. The first person steps into the secure area. The inner door closes. If the client has a "friend" they are allowed unto the lock. The client can then decline permission for the "friend" to pass though the second door and the Police are called to collect the trapped person.

So not very practical at all.

First kid gets inside the school, and later in the day opens a window in some rest room somewhere. His buddy standing outside throws a package through that window.

It's an easy way to get a bag of drugs into the school. Or a bag containing a loaded handgun.

We have multiple buildings each with more than one door. Even with using one door per building, we would need four such entrances and a fence around our entire school at God knows what cost. The fact is, we need to get serious about guns.

Good luck with all that...

High schools have dozens of entrances (sometimes they’re labeled “emergency exit”). My high school has an annex building completely open. My classroom is one of twelve made of wood and located well outside the school proper. We do have two cops on duty, at school, most of the time, but if a shooting were happening at the other end, the shooter would be out of bullets by the time the cops got the cops got there. A fire drill or bomb threat would get the students past the front door barrier pretty fast, too; in Parkland fire alarm got them out of the miniscule safety of their classrooms.

Five hundred people were shot in five minutes just a few miles from my house.

Security is not the problem. Guns are the problem.