A close look at practically any active shooter situation would show the cops rarely if ever rushing in. It is all containment until overwhelming force is attained and even then it is questionable if they will go in or not.

Tactics changed after Columbine. Putting a up a perimeter and waiting for SWAT is only for hostage situations. For active shooters they are trained to run towards the gunfire and engage the shooter immediately in order to stop the killing. This is why the deputies are getting railed on so hard, particularly by other officers. They failed at following their training.

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But are they being trained to do something that very few will bring themselves to do in an actual real life situation? Even if they are convinced they will before hand.

I hunt, own guns and shoot. I will never own an AR but have fired them. I know what even a relatively small rifle round like the 5.56 will do when it hits flesh and that the ballistic vests the police wear are like cardboard to them. I also know how easy ARs are to aim and shoot accurately and how difficult it his to hit a target at even 30 feet with a handgun in a no stress situation.

Unless you can sneak up on the shooter, if he is willing to engage then you are pretty much dead. And I know there are examples of people with handguns coming out on top. But, man...those are long odds.

Not looking to argue because you statement is correct. But is the entire paradigm fictional

The entire premise is based on few observations from active shooter situations, note, not my observations, but the LE community in general and whoever created the training. One, the assumption the active shooter is preoccupied with killing as many innocents as possible and not being on alert for the responding officers. Two, the assumption the shooter has minimal training with the weapon. I'm not sure if you have ever shot a rifle indoors at all, but the the concussion, particularly if the rifle has a muzzle brake, can be disorienting if you are not used to it, and if the shooter isn't wearing earpro, very deafening. Three, most shooters give up or kill themselves when confronted with competent resistance.

That said, if any of the three assumptions is wrong, if the shooter is trained and competent with their weapon, and if they are ready to deal with the cops, then yea, that's a suicide mission.

And I am not talking about all semiautomatic rifles. My dads deer rifle, which I own is a 1964 Winchester 308 semiautomatic. Kind of a civilian version on the M14. But, and here is the key, it holds 6 rounds in the magazine. I think. It has been locked away for years.

If we go back to allowing what was common in the 60’s then I think most mass shootings will stop since having these military grade capacity magazines are the biggest problem. In my opinion of course.

And let’s not get distracted that most firearms deaths are by handgun. 6-8 round magazines would my goal.

And better social equity which would remove the 300 underlying tension we have in this nation.

I will help to achieve this but I think it will be harder than many on DU believe.


Have a nice evening

thank you for the clarification.

The police officer would have had to decide that he was ready to die, he could not get there. None of us know how he felt, except those among us who are combat veterans and have been in firefights where the enemy had semi or automatic weapons.