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Different Drummer

(7,617 posts)
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 07:03 PM Feb 2018

Maybe it's just me, but I think John Dean has very little respect for Dotard.

The Democrat memo response on government surveillance abuses is a total political and legal BUST. Just confirms all of the terrible things that were done. SO ILLEGAL!


No one believes you Donald because it’s a 10 page document so you have no idea what is in it. You’re our first president who doesn’t read, so it is out of your league. No chart, pixs or maps either. The document is both politically and legally persuasive to any objective reader.






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oxbow

(2,034 posts)
2. Nice to see it on front street
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 07:22 PM
Feb 2018

everything he wrote is the truth...it just sounds like a sick burn because you expect more from a president.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Yes, that is a powerful statement. Doesn't need Manafort.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 05:12 AM
Feb 2018

Just a guess, but if he can't and if Manafort doesn't talk, Mueller should be able to put the case together using others. That crowd has about as much discretion, professionalism, good sense, loyalty and intestinal fortitude as the creatures out in our marsh. Not that I mean to insult our marsh creatures with the comparison.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. John Dean has basically been a centrist democrat for two decades.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 08:01 PM
Feb 2018

I have heard him criticize where republicans were headed years ago, he saw the cliff coming up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Not really. Dean's a conservative and a registered independent.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 05:23 AM
Feb 2018

Fwiw, by far most "centrist" Democrats are liberals. Though we do have some Democrats who are conservatives, overall centrist Democrats test out as progressive liberals. Notably, there is little to no overlap these days with centrist conservatives. That last is mostly because conservatives have moved really substantially right in recent decades.

Democrats have only moved slightly left from where we typically have been for a couple hundred years. Positions shift somewhat with the mood of the times; but whatever our current party label, we've always stayed loyal to the liberal ideals and principles laid out by our founding fathers overall.

Very unlike conservatives, who lack an intellectual foundation for "beliefs" that originate as feelings in their guts and pretty much stay that way. Something Dean's studied and written about and does a lot to explain how with manipulation they could decline into unprincipled attack dogs.

Btw, liberal and conservative orientations are wired into us genetically. They're very real and result in very different personality traits. Dean would require a personality transplant to become a liberal, though he could become a Democrat by clicking a box. And is welcome to as far as I'm concerned.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. For some strong descriptions, read Dean's books
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 05:42 PM
Feb 2018

on what's happened to the right. Conservatives without Conscience is a fascinating read, and damning. Some of the people in it are still in politics. He's not talking about all cons, mostly about 20-25% of all voters, the type that make us realize "it could happen here."


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renate

(13,776 posts)
15. I thought I liked John Dean
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 06:09 PM
Feb 2018

Until I saw just now that his profile picture IS OF ADORABLE DOGS!!!

And now I love him

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