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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think Trump knows that he is toast.
He knows that he is eventually going to go to jail. I think Hope Hicks bailed because she was told by her lawyers she needed to to it to limit the legal damage. The tariff gambit is the equivalent of Hitlers battle of the bulge, hoping that it will work and make him so popular that he can override the investigation.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)He's gone through life getting away with everything because of priveledge and money. I would love to see him absolutely blindsided. But, I think you may be right.
gibraltar72
(7,513 posts)he's always got away with it. No one has ever checked him so he believes he always can. He believed the crap Fox told him about Obama riding rough shod and though he would control everything. I have said for a long time the next time he's held accountable will be the first.
Laffy Kat
(16,387 posts)I mean he seems to think he's the greatest president ever.
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)Somewhere, deep inside, perhaps at the cellular level, he knows he is completely inadequate in every way. It seems to me his claims of superiority are nothing more than affirmations he is chanting primarily for his own benefit.
gordianot
(15,245 posts)Good luck with Shitgibbons trade war.
Wounded Bear
(58,725 posts)Even the American Civil War, which is rightly blamed on slavery, was at heart an economic struggle between the agrarian South and the industrial North and their disparate methods of exploiting labor.
gordianot
(15,245 posts)Military history has been my hobby since I was 7 years old now am 65+. The Orange Shitgibbon in his incompetence shows promise in an extinction level human event to study war no more.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)Thats what I've taken to calling the Trump presidency, a potentially extinction level event.
It is.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)But I suspect Hope's talking to Mueller knowing she'll end up doing time if she doesn't. i think others are already talking too. That was why she refused to answer questions to the House committee the other day. She knows a lot too. Putin's going to turn on him soon I bet and this little display he had of missiles hitting Florida was a message maybe, or if he's already stiffing his Russian creditors. He has to create a major diversion, a war to try to escape this with, and that's whats really scary, because he would do it, if he could. Hope is in deep and may have left like you said, because of her lawyers telling her to run, as fast as she can away from these criminals. Mueller has probably already had her diary for a while. The tariff could also be because they couldn't shake down China and others for money with loans or concessions for themselves so he uses our government for revenge, and more distractions.
HootieMcBoob
(3,823 posts)To the house or senate investigations because the Republicans on those committees are either themselves implicated or leaking information to Trump and company?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,046 posts)It's the House Republicons and Nunes who are off the rails, partisan and compromised and implicated. Currently they are stonewalling the Democrats who want to follow the money.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)RVN VET71
(2,698 posts)if he starts a war there will be protests that will make Vietnam seem like a day in a meditation garden. He's not nimble or clever enough to manufacture another sinking of the Maine or Tonkin Gulf "crisis", and faces the real possibility that our military will mutiny. Not many of his fracturing "inner circle" would support him -- maybe that little squirrel monkey Stephen Miller, along with his family, but beyond that, I just don't see it.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)he stays in power is a small victory for him.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)North Korea
Raven123
(4,876 posts)I'm just not sure Congress has the gonadal fortitude to vote to impeach. If you are correct, I suspect he has some idea of what has been said by those who are cooperating with Mueller. Also the media coverage may be finally getting to him. Drip, drip, drip.
NNadir
(33,563 posts)If a fair and honest election is held, I seriously think it is not unreasonable to think there will be enough votes to impeach, and quite possibly, given the Republicans he's burned, convict.
Of course that useless mindless bigot Pence might pull a Ford and pardon him, but it's quite possible Pence, a petty criminal compared to Trump, but badly stained with Trumpism, might go full Agnew.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)GatorDem82
(36 posts)The tariff stunt is not his "get out of jail" card. Launching a strike on North Korea and starting an impossible war will be it.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)randr
(12,417 posts)Putin gave him a hint. If he starts a trade war no one will be uneffected.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He's like a mob Boss. The Godfather. He is the sun and the moon. Planets revolve around him, in his opinion. He always lands on his feet, never has to pay the piper. Because he's the smartest man in the world. Top O'the World, Ma.
He has delusions of grandeur. He knows he has to pay a judgment or fine periodically, and he's fine with that. But serious trouble? He always gets out of serious trouble. He's The Don.
There is no way his mind can envision serious trouble, a criminal charge, not to mention jail time. He's like a snake and has been able throughout his life to get out of any trouble. He's been crooked all his adult life, but has gotten away with it.
But he knows Mueller is a problem who is conducting a "Witch Hunt" and causing him trouble, and wants to say that Trump's election isn't legitimate. He knows Mueller is closing in. But I don't think he envisions that it will cause him to leave office or cause serious legal trouble.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)He just sees Mueller as the latest challenge, just like many before.
He's got one serious flaw: he is running his White House like he ran his businesses, and the rules are not the same. It's not just a matter of getting good press!
He also has a very tenuous relationship to reality, in my opinion. He tends to believe he can just say whatever is expedient in the moment and make that reality true--whatever "true" means to him. It's not so much that he's a con, but truth or fantasy are merged together for him.
3catwoman3
(24,054 posts)I admire your restraint and diplomatic understatement.
I usually go for understatement, too. I'll stray from that - he's fucking delusional.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Lindsay
(3,276 posts)as delusions of adequacy.
Otherwise, you're spot on, I think.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)onetexan
(13,065 posts)for contributing to his campaign.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Not looking any further away than two weeks when they have their election.
Who knows, maybe he is planning to "change his mind" after that election. Or count on being stopped. But I bet he hasn't even thought of it.
LiberalBrooke
(527 posts)I do not think he knows. He surrounds himself with people who tell him he is perfect and hes never admitted wrong or had to suffer consequences before. I think he has no idea what jeopardy he is in.
Laffy Kat
(16,387 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Maybe he should, but doubt he will.
Quit or impeached, yes.
Fined, yes.
But I don't see us putting our Presidents in jail, even Trump.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)No one can pardon him for state crimes, only federal crimes. You think Schneiderman will let him walk?
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)a jail cell.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)And he knows it.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)But people in high places of power and have a lot of influence basically never go to jail. People further down the ladder take the blow.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Maybe, when he is alone (I assume) and all is quiet, he has time to think back over all his sins and is adding up possible jail time. He is probably adding up how many millions it will take to buy himself and Jared out of trouble. He surely doesn't think Mueller will fall for that idea.
The only thing that will keep him out of jail is being POTUS. He might get some leniency, but his mouth and tweets are jeopardizing that possibility. You're doomed, Donnie!
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)armies that no longer exist, and all his generals are too scared to tell him the truth. Every so often the truth gets through and he explodes, striking out at whoever is next to him, screaming that if it were HIM, he would have run in to take out the enemy position....
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)I don't see Drumpf ever going to jail. Like everyone else here, I'd be thrilled if that happened, but I've seen this story too many times, and guys like him never pay for their crimes. He has too much support behind him, and probably has something in his back pocket that will bail him out should the need arise.
I look at what happened in the fiscal crises in the 00's, and how not a single person in the banking industry was held accountable. When you get to Drumpf's level, you have lots of friends, and Power. Bad things just don't stick to you.
Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think those in the administration are truly worried, certainly not Drumpf and his inner circle. They expect to get away with this.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,902 posts)about anything. He absolutely does not know he's toast, and in reality he's probably never going to go to jail. He'll get to complete at least this term, enabled by the corporatocracy (not sure how that should be spelled) and Republican power structure. If we are lucky he'll be named "Unindicted Co-Conspirator" but I don't have a lot of faith that will happen.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.