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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:53 AM Mar 2018

Could Donald Trump refuse to leave office when his presidency is up?

Was this Trump not just endorsing but envying a model of dictatorship? Or was he just joking? To be fair, the US president was smiling and there were laughs from the audience. So it was all tongue-in-cheek, right? Right?

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Consider the evidence. Undermine the rule of law and the independence of the judiciary? Check. Trump has attacked “so-called” judges who have ruled against him while tweeting that a New York terror suspect “SHOULD GET DEATH PENALTY”.

Politicise law enforcement and the security services? Check. Trump fired FBI chief James Comey, tried to sack special counsel Robert Mueller and now wants to remove his attorney general, Jeff Sessions.

Demonise the free press? Check. Trump has repeatedly lambasted his critics in the media as “fake news”, “scum” and “losers”. He has dubbed leading news organisations such as CNN and the New York Times as “the enemy of the American people”.

Fetishise the military? Check. Trump has surrounded himself with unelected former generals – his chief of staff and his defence secretary, among them – and even demanded a military parade be held in Washington, DC.

Delegitimise the electoral process? Check. Trump has claimed that “millions of people… voted illegally” for his opponent and has spread false claims about “serious voter fraud” in the United States.

Criminalise the opposition? Trump has pressured the justice department to investigate his 2016 opponent, “Crooked” Hillary Clinton, and called for the jailing of her former aide Huma Abedin.


[link:https://www.newstatesman.com/world/north-america/2018/03/could-donald-trump-refuse-leave-office-when-his-presidency|
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Could Donald Trump refuse to leave office when his presidency is up? (Original Post) Soph0571 Mar 2018 OP
This silliness has been going on since Clinton A HERETIC I AM Mar 2018 #1
I agree. Obama was going to declare martial law and run for a third term, or some such BS. Hoyt Mar 2018 #13
One thing is for sure, IMHO BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #2
No. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #3
It's depends and it's possible. no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #4
It won't take troops, trust me. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2018 #5
I never knew that (about the Secret Service). no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 #6
It's the same with the operators of AF1 A HERETIC I AM Mar 2018 #9
No problem, they can drag him out like UAL did to the poor doctor Motley13 Mar 2018 #7
I can definitely imagine him refusing to leave. Vinca Mar 2018 #8
It's a safe way to move dangerous people. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #10
If he loses in 2020 Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #11
I can imagine republicans refusing to accept a loss in 2020 Orangepeel Mar 2018 #12

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
1. This silliness has been going on since Clinton
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:04 AM
Mar 2018

But let's just say for a moment that Trump tries it. Refuses to pack up and leave as is tradition on inauguration day and says publicly or even privately that he isn't going to budge. He would be removed, forcibly if necessary by the Secret Service.

The minute the new President says "So Help Me God" The Secret Service would grab him by the elbows and walk him to the front gate.

Of this I have absolutely no doubt.

The government of this country, meaning those people the asshole right likes to call "The Deep State" is populated by career professionals and patriots who just wouldn't stand still for that kind of bullshit.

That includes the Secret Service

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. I agree. Obama was going to declare martial law and run for a third term, or some such BS.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:28 AM
Mar 2018

Why we have to act like GOPers with this kind of stuff, is beyond me.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
2. One thing is for sure, IMHO
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:06 AM
Mar 2018

He won’t sit through his successor’s inaugural. Even if he somehow managed to stand for re-election, won, and lived through two entire terms, he wouldn’t do it. Unless it was Ivanka.

no_hypocrisy

(46,158 posts)
4. It's depends and it's possible.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:11 AM
Mar 2018

Let's say a democrat is elected in 2020 and Trump refuses to leave. Would federal troops go to the WH to evict or to protect Trump? I could see Ryan and McConnell either dragging their feet to recognize a democrat being duly elected. They'd want congressional investigations for a rigged election and until that time, leave Trump in the WH to run the country.

(Before 2016, with McConnell refusing to process Obama's nomination for the USSC, I would have thought the above proposition to be ridiculous. IMO, he would do it again, but this time to extend the constitutional tenure of Trump.)


OTOH, if another republican either won the republican primary and the general election in 2020 or2024, there may not be so much support to keep Trump. I think a military escort out of the WH would be expected.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
5. It won't take troops, trust me.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:14 AM
Mar 2018

The Secret Service is duty bound to the OFFICE, not the man.

As I said above, they would pick him up and deposit him on Pennsylvania Avenue, rather unceremoniously.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
9. It's the same with the operators of AF1
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:55 AM
Mar 2018

If you search YouTube, you will find numerous videos about Air Force One, it's operations, pilots and and it's caretakers.

The 89th Airlift Wing in its operation of the aircraft the President flies in, serves the office of the President, not an individual. Again, those people are career professionals who respect the Constitution. They would no sooner respect Trump insisting he was still president after he lost an election than they would respond to a request by you or I to fly them somewhere.

Vinca

(50,301 posts)
8. I can definitely imagine him refusing to leave.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:55 AM
Mar 2018

Maybe he'll be the first POTUS taken out strapped to a hand cart. One way or another he's going.

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
12. I can imagine republicans refusing to accept a loss in 2020
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:08 AM
Mar 2018

Should they still control the house and senate. I can see them THEN insisting that irregularities in the election mean that the electoral college votes can’t be certified and they have to choose.

They might pick a different republican though, depending on the degree of kompromat and what Putin wants then.

All the more reason to vote in 2018.

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