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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/17/politics/mccabe-memos-trump/index.htmlTrumps day just got worse
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... is the witness with the most damaging inside info on Trumps corruption while in office. I think that is why Trump is willing to disparage and humiliate him in spite of the blowback. His best bet will be to claim McCabe is a disgruntled, fired employee with a grudge, and you cant believe what he says. Several commentators mentioned this over the last 24 hours. This whole scenario is an effort to tarnish him as a witness because he knows where ALL of the bodies are buried. I believe this is all about to go nuclear.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)at the Eurasian Organized crime unit at FBI NY during the same period Felix Sater originally started cooperating. Eurasian unit also investigates russian mobsters.
Im sure he knows a TON about Trump.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)McCabe was in the NYFO when Sater was being run?
Theres a good chance there is a Whitey Bulger type situation that went on with this president. Im not sure I believe its that bad, but we know at minimum there was some shady pro-Trump shit going on with Giuliani and allies connected to the FBI NY office.
If McCabe had the inside view on that, it could be REALLY REALLY big. If true.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Actually:
Mr. McCabe began his career as a special agent with the FBI in 1996. He first reported to the New York Division, where he investigated a variety of organized crime matters. In 2003, he became the supervisory special agent of the Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force, a joint operation with the New York City Police Department.
[link:https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/pressrel/press-releases/andrew-mccabe-named-assistant-director-of-counterterrorism-division|]
Sater:
In 1998, Sater pleaded guilty to his involvement in a $40 million stock fraud scheme orchestrated by the Russian Mafia,[7][8] and became an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation and federal prosecutors, assisting with organized crime investigations
[link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater|]
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Josh Marshall has had a lot on sater and the presidents odd ties with the NYFO.
I am not sure if this is going to turn out to be true. But if it is, BOOM.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)The holes in Saters recent statements particularly...whether hes hiding info about his own illegal activities, or if he actually was acting as an informant collecting info about Trump...
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)I would guess Sater is much dirtier than we know, rather than that he was some kind of informant on DJT.
Saters Dad was a known Russian mob boss. He grew up amongst Russian mobsters in Brighton Beach. If he was really informing on DJT 5 or more years ago, it seems likely the FBI would have taken down DJT long before he announced his presidential run.
One possibility is Sater was informing to the FBI while playing them, similar to Bulger. If he was connected to Mogilevich, Sater could have been feeding the FBI bin Ladens phone numbers (see Buzzfeed recent Sater piece) from the Russian mob, while using his FBI ties to help Mogilevich stay a step ahead of the US feds. Maybe DJT was also tied up in that? Its been speculated he had some FBI ties, but its just been speculation.
Its almost certain Giuliani was close to some bad actor FBI agents inside the NYFO that manipulated the election to throw it to Trump via the Weiner email leaks.
But the Sater/DJT/FBI situation is very unclear now based on public info.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)its more likely Sater was playing both sides of the fence. The FBI probably would know that, as it gives them even more ammunition to get more damning information. Maybe thats how this all works. But as far as Sater being an informant re Trump, weve seen time and again how long some of these cases can take, especially mob cases. Nevermind the fact that the NY office was notable for corruption itself and trump is a dirt collector, as well as people pulling strings (giuliani for example) and well, $$$ talks too. There are probably a million reasons why he hadnt been charged up until the election. He and his pitbull lawyer are masters of manipulation.
The one thing that struck me too was Sater saying him and trumps lawyer Cohen are very dear friends. Cant be a good guy and at the same time be cozy with a disgusting pos like cohen. Says a lot about his character if true.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)John Schindler has written about how the FBI dramatically changed its focus after 9/11 onto counterterrorism, and that caused counterintelligence and anti-mafia work to get under resourced. So another reason Sater and DJT skated through the 2000s is that the FBI was focusing elsewhere.
Same on Sater and Cohen. Doubt Sater comes out smelling clean after Mueller discloses what he knows.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Is that is his old biography. His newer one left out the eurasian organized crime unit. Although it mentions organized crime.
[link:https://www.fbi.gov/history/directors/andrew-mccabe|
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)If true this would explain why the huge push to discredit McCabe. The Comey firing stuff has never been dependent on McCabe alone. There were a few others there too and Comey took contemporaneous notes.
But if the goal is to discredit McCabe as a witness about Sater/Cohen/Trumps Russian mafia connections, that starts to match up with the amount of attacks directed at McCabe. And we know the Russian mafia is part of the Russian government and tightly linked to the oligarchs.
This is a part of the Russian conspiracy that we know little about now. How much was the president linked to the Russian mafia? And what did the FBI know?
Id bet you a dozen donuts there is real dirt there, but I could be wrong.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)Everything about Trump screams "Mafia" right down to his colloquialisms and facial expressions
dhol82
(9,353 posts)when Giuliani was involved with them.
They are dirty. Not sure how many but there is a cabal of dirty feds in that group.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Seems crazy. But lots of crazy things have been getting revealed. FBI field offices often run as their own separate groups.
BumRushDaShow
(129,543 posts)By Pamela Brown, Laura Jarrett and Veronica Stracqualursi, CNN
Updated 6:21 PM ET, Sat March 17, 2018
Washington (CNN) Special counsel Robert Mueller's team interviewed former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and asked about the firing of FBI Director James Comey, a source briefed on the matter confirmed to CNN. The source would not say when the interview, first reported by Axios, occurred.
Mueller also has memos written by McCabe documenting his conversations with President Donald Trump, a person familiar with the matter told CNN. The memos also detail what Comey told McCabe about his own interactions with Trump while he was FBI director, the source said, and are seen as a way to corroborate Comey's account in Mueller's probe on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired McCabe on Friday, about a day before his 50th birthday and the date he was set to retire and begin receiving his anticipated pension, over accusations that McCabe directed FBI officials to speak to the media about an investigation tied to the Clinton Foundation and misled investigators about his actions. Following his firing Friday, McCabe told CNN in an interview that he had four interactions with the President last May, while he was acting FBI director.
McCabe revealed that he had three in-person interactions and one phone call with Trump, in which the President berated him each time about his wife's failed Virginia Senate campaign.
It is unclear exactly what is in McCabe's memos and if he memorialized every interaction he had with the President. McCabe did not keep a copy of his memos after turning them over to Mueller, the source confirmed. A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined comment.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/17/politics/mccabe-memos-trump/index.html
former9thward
(32,082 posts)The one which found McCabe lied to the FBI. People should not expect too much from him.
phylny
(8,389 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Do you believe the career FBI Inspector General and career FBI officials on their Ethics board which recommended his firing? Or do you believe McCabe? The career officials were there before Trump and will be there after him.
phylny
(8,389 posts)I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm trying to see how we would know what's in the report. See, I don't trust Trump or Sessions.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)But I do trust career FBI officials who have nothing to do with Trump and were not appointed by his administration. The IG report has not been released but it is a guarantee Mueller has it. When it will be released who knows?
shraby
(21,946 posts)unequivocally that it was recommended that McCabe be fired?
I'll believe it when it's released and made public. Not a day before.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)That is the world you live in.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Btw, McCabe didn't just lie to the investigation into his behaviors, he lied at least a few times to questions specifically directed at what was under investigation.
Also very interestingly, McCabe's and Comey's stories contradict each other on a very key point. Whoever's story wins out goes free, maybe. Whoever's doesn't could go to prison; though, as still hugely powerful people who know where a lot of bodies are buried, they both still have big protectors, so perhaps not.
Feel free to hold off on any opinions until the reports are made public, however. Some feel at least enough information is coming out through generally reliable sources to formulate some tentative opinions, but it is a responsible thing to do. You're right to be cautious about what you swallow.
Just this morning I was reading an article by the reporter McCabe reportedly authorized the leak of information to, and his rendering is very favorable to McCabe. (Also took the opportunity to throw a little gratuitous mud at Hillary, but hey, who doesn't?) Reading his take, one can only wonder why the investigation didn't commend McCabe for a job properly done instead of recommending he be fired. Maybe the IG, Horowitz, was just in a bad mood and decided to take it out on the #2 man at the FBI...?
Chew but don't swallow.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Liberals shouldnt trust the FBI, either.
erronis
(15,355 posts)Liberals shouldn't trust other liberals, either.
We come in lots of flavors and with lots of covers, some of them false.
I'll always wonder about my splendid other DUers too. It's become way too easy to game these platforms.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Conservatives harvest these sites for information. They probably have the time because so many are on welfare, but thats another thread.
When I started posting here I had never planned to run for office, then realized that I had exposed enough information that I would never be able to run for office, so I kept posting stuff. Mostly true, even if edited or combined.
Oh, well, right? I can always knock on doors for someone I agree with.
Ive seen enough trolls and known enough in real life to realize that there really are foreign operatives, conservative lunatics, shitlords, and straight up OG Internet trolls to know that forums are usually penetrated with at least some people who are there (or here) without good intentions.
Real life trolls have told me that infiltrating and fucking with liberal or conservative websites is equally easy, but paradoxically require similar and totally different skill sets. Both groups have subsets that are equally sensitive, but liberals tend to be more empathetic and conservatives tend to prefer assholes (not a big surprise to 95% of either liberals or conservatives).
erronis
(15,355 posts)I can't run for office either, thank gawd - for many of the same reasons. But I wouldn't want to and didn't ever think about it when I was energetic enough.
That is interesting about needing different skill sets to mess with different groups. They'll be sicking there AI bots on that problem. Sort of makes me wonder if there isn't a way to detect the artificiality with more AI. Cyberwars!
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Has all the media made up stories about it?
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)Thanks in advance.
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)You are making a bunch of claims about the conclusions of articles you have read. I would like to see the same articles.
If you cant provide links just say so.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)But I will play the game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-disciplinary-office-recommends-firing-former-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe/2018/03/14/c1d0dc1a-208a-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.1f6a13bf2847
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi-firing-recommendation-justice-department.html
I will save you the trouble. You will say the IG's report is not yet public so "we don't really know what it says". Of course the current IG was appointed by Muelller when he was running the FBI but that will be explained away.
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)I was trained as a researcher so thats how I work.
Thanks for providing some links.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's important you continue to pass on the responsibility of citing sources to your own claims. It certainly illustrates you as a man of convictions... or something.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)in any way. McCabe's new lawyer is a former IG for the DoJ and he says the proper procedures were not followed. I understand that they are respected employees but even decent, honest people can succumb to pressure where their careers are involved. I don't know what the morale is like at the FBI but I have to believe it isn't good.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)They are shocked by the fox talking points echoed at them by friends and family. They are very very upset and are just waking up to how bad the GOP is, how unamerican it is, and how its propaganda machine is willing to tell any lie in pursuit of power.
The fbi is very very pissed off.
rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)Drumpf made it abundantly clear what the result he wanted was.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)McCabe was appointed and went out of career service.
rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)they quit.
rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)thought he should have and he thought he shouldn't. I imagine folks at the FBI are all a bit paranoid these days.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)Oh, yeah.... Deputy Director of the FBI.
nini
(16,672 posts)This is getting so twisted I can barely keep up!
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971)
A gambler and a prostitute become business partners in a remote Old West mining town, and their enterprise thrives until a large corporation arrives on the scene.
McCabe and Mr. Mueller (2018)
A gambler and a porn star become sexual partners in a remote hotel suite, and their former relationship remains secret until a fired FBI agent and large investigation arrives on the scene.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,234 posts)Sam McGee
(347 posts)Remember DEEP THROAT who spilled the beans on Nixon's Watergate coverup?
He was the FBI Deputy Director. Just like McCabe.
aeromanKC
(3,328 posts)Trump and his Deplorables go after their public enemy number ones.