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(12,769 posts)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 05:11 PM Jul 2012

Toyota Camry more American than F-150

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/camry-edges-out-f-150-for--most-american-.html

In today's global economy, there's no easy way to determine just how American a car is. Many cars built in the U.S., for example, are assembled using parts that come from elsewhere. Some cars assembled in the U.S. from largely American-made parts don't sell well, meaning fewer Americans are employed to build them. Cars.com's American-Made Index recognizes cars that are built here, have a high percentage of domestic parts and are bought in large numbers by American consumers.

F-150 is back; Toyota, Honda and GM still lead

The Toyota Camry topped this year's American-Made Index, extending its No. 1 status to four years running. Ford's F-150 landed by a photo-finish at No. 2, falling behind the Camry by fewer than two days of sales. The F-150 was once a common AMI leader, topping the index from 2006 to 2008, but lower domestic parts content had dropped the best-selling pickup off the list. With its domestic parts content back to 75 percent — up from 60 percent last year — the F-150 returns to the AMI for 2012.
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Toyota Camry more American than F-150 (Original Post) Live and Learn Jul 2012 OP
Harley Davidson is also now less made here than it used to. JoeInNy Jul 2012 #1
Harley Davidson is a poor example. NashvilleLefty Jul 2012 #3
Exception to "Made in America" claim? cbrer Jul 2012 #5
Is it assembled by union workers or by non union workers in some anti union RTW state? Don't demosincebirth Jul 2012 #2
Here's a list of UAW cars, SUV's, and Trucks louis c Jul 2012 #9
Just like I thought. Thanks Louis. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #14
Machine facts cbrer Jul 2012 #4
Ugh. Toyota Camry. flvegan Jul 2012 #6
That's a silly post. DavidDvorkin Jul 2012 #7
LOL, you sound silly. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #8
Does Dennis Kucinich own a car? I would assume, that if he does, it is a reliable and economical madinmaryland Jul 2012 #11
Gotta agree with you Mopar151 Jul 2012 #12
That list is ridiculous blue_onyx Jul 2012 #10
Anti-union assholes LOVE this index, by the way. Robb Jul 2012 #13
 

JoeInNy

(20 posts)
1. Harley Davidson is also now less made here than it used to.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jul 2012

And guess what, call it coincidence or not, they are also getting more and more reliable vs what they used to be.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
3. Harley Davidson is a poor example.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:26 PM
Jul 2012

Harley's were well-known to be unreliable. They benefited from marketing of the idea of "free spirit" and the feeling of "raw power".

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
5. Exception to "Made in America" claim?
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:45 PM
Jul 2012

Or clever ploy factually meaning made somewhere in North, South, or Central America?

And much of that reliability is coming from foreign fuel injection and electronic ignition. V Rod engine designed by Porsche.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
4. Machine facts
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:41 PM
Jul 2012

Statistics can be useful in some circumstances. But there are usually so many variable factors in people, products, and events, that it's easy to be led astray. With that in mind... here is some of the stuff I've noticed about machines, the group of which a car is a pretty sophisticated member of. And one I've spent ~40 years of my life on.

1. Every machine breaks at some point. Whether by wear, or inferior design. (witness space shuttle challenger)
2. Every machine MUST be maintained in order to perform @ specification.
3. The best machine can be broken earlier than a lesser machine by inferior maintenance.
4. Machines must be operated within their appropriate performance envelope in order to meet durability specifications.
5. Machines modified outside of their stock design, perform and last outside of their stock durability specification.
6. More machine complication equals more failure opportunity. (witness scotty in star trek- the more complicated the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the works)

There are lots more good points. Lots of phony advertising too. If you need to haul cargo an F150 isn't a bad choice. If you want an efficient, durable, minimal required maintenance design, easy on brakes, tires, and gas, that can haul 4 adults fairly comfortably, get a Camry. A well maintained Camry is typically good for 1/2 a million miles. Lemons everywhere (point 1). You can make an F150 last that long too. Typically with a higher maintenance cost than a Camry. A 2-3 year old vehicle will save you money, and indicate quality of that particular vehicle. NO PROMISES!

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
11. Does Dennis Kucinich own a car? I would assume, that if he does, it is a reliable and economical
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:08 PM
Jul 2012

one.

Mopar151

(10,004 posts)
12. Gotta agree with you
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:09 PM
Jul 2012

If you like cars, a Camry is not for you. The premium that you pay for the legendary reliability will cover years of extended warranty on a comparable domestic that will be a more enjoyable ride, or maybe even (gasp!) fun to drive. Imports are more expensive than domestics in this regard - but choose wisely and maintain well, and for Camry money you can drive a car instead of a refrigerator with wheels.

blue_onyx

(4,211 posts)
10. That list is ridiculous
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
Jul 2012

It makes no sense to include sales when determining whether something in more American. That would mean a car that is made with 95% American material could be considered less American than a vehicle that only uses 70% American material simply because it sold fewer units.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
13. Anti-union assholes LOVE this index, by the way.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:15 PM
Jul 2012
Of course, the above list underrepresents the overall impact of a car. The Corvette is directly responsible for 514 autoworkers at GM's Bowling Green, Ky., assembly plant. By contrast, GM's plant in Lansing, Mich., employs nearly 4,000 to assemble the Enclave, Traverse and Acadia.
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