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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToyota Camry more American than F-150
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/camry-edges-out-f-150-for--most-american-.htmlF-150 is back; Toyota, Honda and GM still lead
The Toyota Camry topped this year's American-Made Index, extending its No. 1 status to four years running. Ford's F-150 landed by a photo-finish at No. 2, falling behind the Camry by fewer than two days of sales. The F-150 was once a common AMI leader, topping the index from 2006 to 2008, but lower domestic parts content had dropped the best-selling pickup off the list. With its domestic parts content back to 75 percent up from 60 percent last year the F-150 returns to the AMI for 2012.
JoeInNy
(20 posts)And guess what, call it coincidence or not, they are also getting more and more reliable vs what they used to be.
NashvilleLefty
(811 posts)Harley's were well-known to be unreliable. They benefited from marketing of the idea of "free spirit" and the feeling of "raw power".
cbrer
(1,831 posts)Or clever ploy factually meaning made somewhere in North, South, or Central America?
And much of that reliability is coming from foreign fuel injection and electronic ignition. V Rod engine designed by Porsche.
demosincebirth
(12,545 posts)answer, I know.
louis c
(8,652 posts)demosincebirth
(12,545 posts)cbrer
(1,831 posts)Statistics can be useful in some circumstances. But there are usually so many variable factors in people, products, and events, that it's easy to be led astray. With that in mind... here is some of the stuff I've noticed about machines, the group of which a car is a pretty sophisticated member of. And one I've spent ~40 years of my life on.
1. Every machine breaks at some point. Whether by wear, or inferior design. (witness space shuttle challenger)
2. Every machine MUST be maintained in order to perform @ specification.
3. The best machine can be broken earlier than a lesser machine by inferior maintenance.
4. Machines must be operated within their appropriate performance envelope in order to meet durability specifications.
5. Machines modified outside of their stock design, perform and last outside of their stock durability specification.
6. More machine complication equals more failure opportunity. (witness scotty in star trek- the more complicated the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the works)
There are lots more good points. Lots of phony advertising too. If you need to haul cargo an F150 isn't a bad choice. If you want an efficient, durable, minimal required maintenance design, easy on brakes, tires, and gas, that can haul 4 adults fairly comfortably, get a Camry. A well maintained Camry is typically good for 1/2 a million miles. Lemons everywhere (point 1). You can make an F150 last that long too. Typically with a higher maintenance cost than a Camry. A 2-3 year old vehicle will save you money, and indicate quality of that particular vehicle. NO PROMISES!
flvegan
(64,419 posts)Beige, hateful. Built for those who have no idea what to buy.
Car snob, so what.
DavidDvorkin
(19,499 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)one.
Mopar151
(10,004 posts)If you like cars, a Camry is not for you. The premium that you pay for the legendary reliability will cover years of extended warranty on a comparable domestic that will be a more enjoyable ride, or maybe even (gasp!) fun to drive. Imports are more expensive than domestics in this regard - but choose wisely and maintain well, and for Camry money you can drive a car instead of a refrigerator with wheels.
blue_onyx
(4,211 posts)It makes no sense to include sales when determining whether something in more American. That would mean a car that is made with 95% American material could be considered less American than a vehicle that only uses 70% American material simply because it sold fewer units.