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Protest Hillary @ Rutgers
Hillary Clinton is being paid $25k for a 1.5 hour talk at Rutgers. Maybe she makes so much money that she doesn't realize that money in politics harms middle- and lower-class citizens. She is out of touch. We will hold up signs and have some chants during her talk. Contact us on FB at Our Revolution, Hazlet, to sign up or RSVP.
This is outrageous! It cannot be clearer that Nina Turner and Our Revolution are the enemy, and should be treated as such. When they would protest a private citizen instead of the fascist we have in the White House or the spineless, craven GOP cowards in Congress, they are part of the problem.
msongs
(67,417 posts)Not to mention, according to a comment I read (so it's unverified), Nina Turner gets $6-8,000 for appearances on television panels such as with Jake Tapper. These panels usually last 1/2 hours
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Sorry, editors for speaking my mind!
Let's stay unified. If I could get $25,000 for a soeaking engagement from Rutgers I'd take it. I don't blame Hillary in the least. They've already screwed this and hundreds of other adjunct profs out of fair wages. Some of us have been treated literally to slave wages. Get your intellect honored, Hillary!
Cha
(297,306 posts)This is a political discussion board. We're not going to sweep it under the rug because you don't approve.
Cha
(297,306 posts)panel.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Will this lead to a whole bunch of tut-tutting newspaper columns and teevee spots about oversensitive college students demanding their safe spaces and not understanding the First Amendment?
Of course not, and we all know why.
question everything
(47,486 posts)did last year - announced that it was a place of learning, where students were expected to be exposed to all ideas.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)This is like beating a dead horse. Hillary is not president. Hillary is old. Hillary is powerless and will not be running again.
WTF is the point?
Protest the fascists who are have penetrated the halls of government.
So idiotic. But the conflict seeking press have been prepped to got with the well worn bogus storyline.
I'm a Bernie guy, but this Our Revolution needs to get its priorities straight.
Fascists are in the WH!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)They support candidates that are progressive liberals. You really think they thought Trump was that more than Clinton?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)some probably voted for him just out of spite- because of their hatred of Hillary or anger that Bernie didn't win the primary (and he didn't win because he didn't get enough primary votes, period). Those whom voted for Stein or Johnson (or just didn't vote at all) are equally culpable for Hillary's EC loss/Trump's EC win IMHO.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)This is a group that wants progressives in office. Not Trumps.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)The problem IMHO is that they demand ideological purity and spend the majority of their time trying to attack Democrats that feel don't pass their purity tests, which harms the party, instead of actively fighting Trump/GOP. Does OR protesting a paid speech by Hillary, currently a Democratic non-candidate for anything, at Rutgers University, seem like a good use of time, energy, or resources? Instead of, say, protesting Trump's ongoing graft and corruption and dangerous foreign policy, and/or attempts to subvert the rule of law?
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)There are other groups that do other things.
There is all kinds of purity tests on DU. Do you have a problem with those here that don't like anyone to say that Clinton had some responsibility for her loss?
As to whether this protest is a good use of their time, sure. I think the amount of money that politicians and those in power get paid by non-governmental entities is a problem. Don't you? I mean, sure, Trump's a problem but one group can't do everything. I really support the FFRF. They aren't taking on Trump's graft and corruption either. Doesn't mean the work they do for separation of church and state isn't good work.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)Surely nothing could go wrong since she was perfect in what she did.
for the impaired.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)I would never dare to ask her to go through such a shitstorm again, but if she did, I'd vote for Hillary again. She wouldn't even have to campaign to get my vote; just announce.
Maybe this time around some people might not be as susceptible to Russian manipulation and Facebook manipulation and Twitter manipulation and news media false equivalencies and maybe the FBI director wouldn't jump out just ahead of election day to cast doubt and maybe there wouldn't be as many legitimate voters turned away by cheaters and maybe there wouldn't be so many election irregularities and maybe there wouldn't be quite as much (illegal) foreign money used in campaigns on the other side and maybe there wouldn't be as many people fooled by a Russian-backed 3rd party loon.
But you go ahead and blame Hillary's imperfections for the results of last time.
Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #147)
George II This message was self-deleted by its author.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)betsuni
(25,537 posts)Wait, I'm not sure I want to know.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)betsuni
(25,537 posts)since she donated the money to the Clinton Foundation.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Or they are complicit.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)So one has to wonder just who "Our Revolution" really is.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...the Texas 22nd Congressional District brouhaha (against Sri Kulkarni).
They've got a bunch of zealots that they have to get under control, for their own benefit.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)You see "zealots" all the time in grass roots groups. There were some outliers in the Women's march. There will likely be outliers in the March for our Lives movement. It's gonna happen. Damning an entire movement because of a few loons is idiotic.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Even if it turns out it is just a local chapter organizing this, it is very emblematic, don't you think? Anyone can create an event, but the event must be approved by the organization before it is posted.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Alex__Katz/status/975540767207772160
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I have suspected that Nina Turner (whom I voted for in Ohio...wish I could take it back) wants Democrats to lose.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Fuck off Nina Turner!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)marble falls
(57,102 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)marble falls
(57,102 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)favorite movies, JOE, with the great Peter Boyle.
TexasTowelie
(112,247 posts)Where we disagree is whom is getting trolled.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)If enough of us do that, maybe it will be removed.
femmedem
(8,203 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)"It was a volunteer." An OFFICIAL volunteer for the official SuperPac.
Bernie, Turner, etal have to start OWNING this garbage.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)be given any support.
femmedem
(8,203 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Like the White House petition page thingy.
Started with good intent. Used by trolls to stir shit.
It's been removed from the site. Somehow I didn't think that will be good enough...
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)PO BOX 66208
WASHINGTON,DC 20035
PAID FOR BY OUR REVOLUTION
NOT AUTHORIZED BY ANY CANDIDATE OR CANDIDATE COMMITTEE.
OUR REVOLUTION IS A 501(C)(4)ORGANIZATION.CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR REVOLUTION ARE NOT DEDUCTIBLE AS CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES.
©OUR REVOLUTION|PRIVACY POLICY
Looks like Our Revolution National to me.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)the Greens to disrupt. They do their nasty work against Democrats and not the GOP. I am so sick and disgusted with them using California as a guinea pig while Vermont gets a pass. They are nasty AF.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)The local Our Revolution endorsed one candidate and then attacked the candidate who had raised the most money in a pretty sad and sick manner http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/texas-congressional-candidate-sri-kulkarni-acknowledges-teen-drug-arrest-youthful/article_54a39be6-1e55-11e8-8db1-6f520552146f.html
Doug Beaton, the leader of the chapter, warned Fort Bend County Democratic officials on Kulkarni's previously undisclosed past in a letter posted on social media, it said.
The letter suggested that Kulkarni, whose full first name is Srinivas, is running under an assumed name and that he had previously registered with the Federal Election Commission to run for a congressional seat in Massachusetts.
We are fortunate that this attacked failed and that the candidate endorsed by Our Revolution is not in the run off
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)OR should be labelled a hate group.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Aristus
(66,387 posts)they'd be protesting Trump, not Hillary Clinton.
These people are full of shit.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)to abate high tuition costs... would be a nice gesture.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...what they get paid. FFS. And what they do with the money is their own business. Again, FFS.
As members of the public, my friends and I bought season tickets to the Arts & Lectures series offered through the University. Nearly every event is sold out. Students invariably get access to low-cost tickets, and if the venue is on the campus, they often get in free.
These are, believe me, special events, some more special than others.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)KitSileya
(4,035 posts)from diverse universities, yet no one protested him. He is also a private citizen, and no one demanded he give away his fee. Only women are supposed to work for free, I guess.
JI7
(89,252 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)on her part to donate to a scholarship fund that would help needy students.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)But, again, in case you missed: "It would be a nice gesture on her part to donate to a scholarship fund that would help needy students."
Obviously, the group would be one of her choosing that's near and dear to her heart... not that one should hold it against Hillary if she decides to do something else with her hard earned money... including keeping it!
betsuni
(25,537 posts)spending massive amounts of money on stuff. Quite the opposite. I'm sure Hillary has to pay transportation fees, security, staff, etc., so why shouldn't she be paid for a speech? But of course, it's Hillary, so don't give her the benefit of the doubt, think the worst, worse than Imelda Marcos.
Aristus
(66,387 posts)Hillary concern-trolls.
It's like trying to eradicate crabgrass.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Of course... no one said otherwise. How is that thinking the worst of Hillary?
brooklynite
(94,596 posts)You give you contributions as you see fit; so does Billsry Clinton.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)as does the entire world population... and when Hillary or anyone else does, it's called a "nice gesture."
brooklynite
(94,596 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)For all you or I know, she very well could donate her speaking fee - can't we agree on that? - and that it would be a very nice gesture indeed... wouldn't surprise me in the least if she DOES do that, as Hillary is a giving person and is known to be quite generous in her charitable contributions.
So, why do YOU seem to be the only person questioning Hillary's capacity to make that other, charitable choice?
See how that works brooklynite? I'm not being serious, but, I'm sure if I was, you wouldn't appreciate my speaking for you... all I ask is that you please extend me the same courtesy. Thanks.
Have a great evening.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)You're such a hoot!!! Thanks for the laugh.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)What's your point again?
See Post #140.
140. Hillary Clinton Speech at Rutgers Sold Out, Moved to Larger Venue" From a crowd of 2000 to 8000
What's the problem again Nina?
...
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She being paid from an Endowment Fund.
Not the University's slush fund.
Does Nina get paid to be a Fellow on the board of the Sanders Institute?
Just wondering.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)Tuition and fees: $14,638 in-state/$30,579 out-of-state
Room and board: $12,452
Books and supplies: $1350
Other expenses: $3751
Rutgers enrolls 69,198 students, 49,861 undergrads and 19,517 grad students
$25,000 comes out to about 50 cents per undergrad.
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)rather than through student fees and tuition. Tickets are free.
Will Clinton receive a speaker fee?
Secretary Clinton will receive the standard speaking fee for serving as the Clifford P. Case Professor for Public Affairs. The professorship is made possible by an endowment fund established in honor of Senator Case after his death in 1982. Her speaking fee is not publicly funded. Learn more about past Case Professorship speakers at http://eagleton.rutgers.edu/programs/case/index.php
https://www.facebook.com/events/950032348477686/
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Why are there always demands she not get paid? Why is it okay for everyone else (MEN) to get paid.
JUst stop.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Donating the money back to a Rutgers scholarship fund, say, for needy women, would be a great gesture... no?
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)are in demand. So what if she or anyone talks to people. It is corrupt to constantly call people corrupt, especially when you have your own pile of FEC letters piling up about donation irregularities.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)from his books. Not sure why people think they have a right to tell Hillary what to do, but I never hear the same thing being said about bernie-or any white man. I'm a little touchy about this...she does donate her money, but I hate that everyone thinks they have the right to tell an accomplished woman what she should do, but never tell a man-bernie-the same damn thing...he made a good chunk of change off his books...
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"suggested" for HRC?
And 10% of anything she and Bill make goes back to charity, via their personal family foundation.
Has it been suggested to career politicians who make 750K on a book advance, and makes free college a main talking point, to give even 10% of that towards making tuition available for needy women to go to a university?
It would be a great gesture...no?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Senator Sanders to have donated part of his earnings from his books to a scholarship fund, seeing as free college is one of his long time talking points.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This is from 2004. Imagine what he's getting now....
Maven
(10,533 posts)She can do whatever the hell she wants with her money, and she doesnt owe you or Nina Turner or Fox News No-Me-KEY or anyone else an explanation.
Why arent you telling Bernie what do with his speaking fees?
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)This shit is getting beyond absurd.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)that would include donating back to needy students. Would be a kind gesture... not that she can't keep it if she desires to spend as she damn well pleases, obviously. That's besides the point... no need to be rude about it.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They can, however, make huge amounts in advance fees from publishing companies:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/05/bernie-sanders-book-advance-our-revolution-239135
Maven
(10,533 posts)But yes, perhaps Bernie should donate his advance and royalties to struggling students. Would be a nice gesture, no?
George II
(67,782 posts)....to the Clinton Foundation.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)Please show the rest us what middle-class person would get 25k for going to a podium to read off a few pages of words
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)It is none of yours or our revolution's business. This will backfire on them...I expect their in their death throes, they will lash out just like Trump against Democrats and Hillary in particular.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Thanks for that information
Us and Them
Pink Floyd
Us and them
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows
It's not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up and down
And in the end it's only round 'n round
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside
"I mean, they're not gonna kill ya, so if you give 'em a quick short, sharp, shock, they won't do it again. Dig it? I mean he get off lightly, 'cause I would've given him a thrashing - I only hit him once! It was only a difference of opinion, but really...I mean good manners don't cost nothing do they, eh?"
Down and out
It can't be helped that there's a lot of it about
With, without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?
Out of the way
It's a busy day
I've got things on my mind
For the want of the price
Of tea and a slice
The old man died
Songwriters: Roger Waters / Rick Wright
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)something ex-male politicians have done for years without a single complaint except Obama of course as he is a person of color. I am taking notes on groups like Our Revolution who advocate this shit so I can not support any of their candidates in a primary and make sure I don't ever send them a dime. Stop bashing Democrats and turn toward the true evil ORl...Republicans. Fake progressive groups like Our Revolution should do this or face extinction. If you would rather elect a Republican don't call yourself progressive. An OR endorsement for candidates should be a stigma...not any kind of benefit.
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)Democrats. I presume Bernie's PAC reflects Bernie's will.
brush
(53,787 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:38 AM - Edit history (1)
resources protesting against a Democrat instead of trump or McConnell or Ryan or Sessions.
What a-hole geniuses .
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:55 PM - Edit history (4)
It is set up to hide disclosing their funding sources.
Like the infamous tax returns, seems to be a lot of financial hiding going on.
Just saying.
This is who they are.
Another darling of the Sanders Institute Fellows, & supporting OR, is (EDIT) CORNEL WEST.
(apologies to Ben Jealous)
They are the extreme fringe "Left Tea Party", modelled suspiciously in style of the KOCH's "Right Tea Party"
Actually there is no Left or Right where the Kochs are concerned, they are fascist in their attempt to divde & remove all semblance of a free society.
The Tea Party could not have gotten where they are without the funding of the Kochs & without removing the Republican Party thru the same tactics as OR has used against the Democrats.
As Robert Mueller wrote in his final findings a few weeks ago, it was Donald Trump & Bernie Sanders who were the beneficiaries of the 2016 election interferance.
The billionares bought the election.
So when Nina Turner starts in on her "get money out of politics" bull crap, no one benefitted more from big money than Trump, Sanders & his organizations & Fellows who still carry the anti-Democratic Message in portraying it as the exact opposite of what Dems actually stand for.
As Sanders said, "Money & Media".
This is who they are.
But Dems have always know that about all things Sanders.
There is no defending Nina anymore.
Unless you truly want the free society of this country completly destroyed.
No one has benefitted from Big Money more than Trump & Sanders. As Mueller clearly stated.
This protest by Nina is more like the last gasp of a failed attempt.
Mueller outed their true identity.
Mueller isn't making this up.
I can't wait till his full investigation is complete.
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)seem interested in supporting Democrats.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Their credibility is at ZERO.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)the thread, flea!
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)stranger.. how the heck are you?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)One of the most effective ways to get billionare & foreign money influence out of politics is with a full disclosure of a candidates Tax Docs.
No more hiding 'who you really are' .
This country deserves to know who you represent regardless of the cool one-liners used in a campaign.
After the disaster & flat out lies of the 2016 election, we must always know who we're electing.
Cha
(297,306 posts)never show his tax returns.. and of course his sucky fans didn't care, as long as he was spewing at his hate filled rallies.
Mahalo, Wwcd!
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)And those under investigation for defrauding banks and causing colleges to go under.
On the upside, I guess when your college no longer exists, tuition is free.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)They're trying to capitalize on lingering "Hillary hate" by turning her appearances into fund-raising "issues".
She's a goddamned PRIVATE CITIZEN now. She deserves as much as she can make for ever syllable uttered and every word written!!
They don't own her. They can't tell her what to do or what to say!!!
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)They are complicit in this nonsense from the very top.
CousinIT
(9,247 posts)GODDAMNED these people with this divisive shit.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)Any person who buys into this is being duped. There's no good faith, or righteousness about this move. It's obvious bullshit meant to divide the Democrats.
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Relax folks.
Nina Turner isn't protesting Hillary.
For cripes sakes.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Though anyone can create an event on their page, the OR event has to be approved by them before it is posted. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, in Nina Turner's prior history would indicate that she would refuse to attend such a protest on principle. If she hasn't time, or she considers the event too small, yes, but not because it is protesting HRC, or even protesting a Democrat.
Cha
(297,306 posts)do you know Nina Turner isn't "protesting Hillary"?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)"..wasn't backing anybody this General Election.."
Such vision.. such foresight..
Tarheel
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Your defense of her is... interesting.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Democrats (who must prove themselves) and Hillary. She is the head of the organization...thing to do folks is to not vote for any of their candidates in a primary....make it a black mark against the candidate to be support by this group.
oasis
(49,389 posts)The drive by group is just screaming for headlines.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)I remember attending a Utopia concert at Rutgers Camden. The cost of the band ate up the entire student activity fees for the year, even after the tickets were sold. So, by just having that one concert, students were completely fucked that year.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)as they've already switched venues to one three times as big as the original one.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)
...like UCSB's Arts & Lectures (see my post above). Season tickets are sold by subscription, some much pricier than others, but that doesn't cover all of the costs. The local community is encouraged to donate varying amounts, and a couple of pages in each program are devoted to naming donors, from those who give $100 to the very well-heeled who might give $10,000 a year ("Founders Circle" or something). Universities -- in fact all colleges worth the name -- also have Endowments.
Believe me, this is not coming out of students' piggy-banks.
lapucelle
(18,275 posts)(which is standard at $25,000) is paid (as it always is) through a special endowment, not through student fees/tuition or through public funds. Tickets are free.
https://www.facebook.com/events/950032348477686/?active_tab=about
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Paid from an endowment.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)The mindset of that group did everything they could to undermine and discourage people not to vote for the Democratic nominee, and that will NOT be forgotten.
Their so-called revolution can go ____ __________, because that is essentially what a good number of them did to America by not voting for the Democratic nominee
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Hillary has every right to say and do what she wants and make as much money as she wants.
DFW
(54,405 posts)I suspect the "movement" to harass Hillary is being paid for by the same people who shouted "lock her up" in 2016.
"Our" revolution funded by "Their" money.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)blue-wave
(4,356 posts)I don't know much about this group, but they appear to be not very grounded. They certainly do not know who the real adversaries are.
On another note, Love ya Hillary!! and
denvine
(802 posts)ill advised as to how to proceed. They are trying to move the party to the left. Their big mistake right now is we need our party to come together more than ever. We need a Blue Wave to save our country from the disaster that is the Trump administration. So whether it is Hillary calling the states that voted for Trump as being backward thinking or Our Revolution protesting Hillary's speech, they need to stop and look at the big picture. Let's get past November. We have no room for dissension in the ranks. We need all hands on deck and everyone to work together. After November we can have this conversation about which way the party needs to go, but not now. We need to win as many offices as possible. We need to stop Trump! At this point I believe them to both be in the wrong and hope they will do what is right for the country instead of their ideology, which may not be wrong, but now is not the time. We need to go to the voting both in November as one strong and together party. I hope they can all see that.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)stigma that causes candidates to lose. If they wanted to work with us they would not do this...thus we need to realize they want only to hurt us and respond accordingly. They are no different than Republicans or Greens.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)If that end means that they aren't working with you, then don't support them. And start thinking about supporting progressive candidates, too.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary that they endorse...and all Democrats should do this...if one makes it to the General well no choice then...have to vote for any Democrat in the general...but next time a new primary and out they go assuming they win which most of Ms.Turner's candidates don't. She and her minions are bitter and angry about 2016 and are helping Trump.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)They want an emphasis on progressive values. So do I. Fighting for progressive candidates is not supporting Trump.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)But it was an easy grab when they needed to emerge as something familiar.
The claim to being Progressive has defied the true meaning of Progressivism.
They are more regressive in the candidates they back.
The Democratic Party is also progressive.
To claim ownership of that label was intentional to divide the voting populace rather than merge & grow the voting populace.
I'd love to see the True Progressive Party take on this group who co-opted their good name.
The True Progressive Party would not spend 2yrs decrying the Dem Party.
They have always worked side by side for policies.
Nice going.
We see what they are.
Truth is, most people claiming the Progressive label today have no idea what the True Progressive Party even stood for.
"Money & Media" bought this.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)they are not trying to move left...they went down and campaigned for the guy who was responsible for making it illegal for the exchanges to have abortion coverage among other evil bills that Mello supported. He also voted for a pipeline. They want to destroy Democrats. They are worthless and will like the Greens cost us elections.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)in WV running a candidate against Joe Manchin...we lose the seat if they win and if they have weakened him, we lose the seat...sure they help us...over a cliff. And they support Greens and GOP types...but Democrats have to beg for their support. Support from this group means no support from me in a primary period.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)HRC is not running!
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)This is where the 16 Democratic party haters have organized to do damage to Democrats...may have started with Sanders but it is not what he envisioned now. He should disavow them and not appear at their rallies and not comment publicly on the Democratic Party at all.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)tirebiter
(2,538 posts)Jesus Hussein Christ they're still using FaceBook, too.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)rather re-elect Republicans and Trump than Democrats. We should have nothing to do with them. This will out them as to who they really are. I expect their donations will dry up except the ones from Republicans of course.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)And rooting for Russia imo.
JI7
(89,252 posts)signing.
which was a total of about 5 people and it included sanders, stein, and trump supporters.
so a total of about 5 from those 3 campaigns.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)They hate Hillary more than Trump.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Our Revolution...what a crock of shit.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)You can be sure they'll take every opportunity to make any media coverage of Hillary's appearance all about them.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Just gonna hold my tongue now.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...happily participated in the recent anti-Hillary stories. I think it may be time to consider the "Our Revolution" movement is not "aligned" with Democrats; rather, it is against Democrats - they are opposed to both Republicans and Democrats.
TheSmarterDog
(794 posts)We have ACTUAL FASCISTS in control of our govt, colluding with a foreign power to destroy our democracy.
And they're protesting a Democrat?!?
poboy2
(2,078 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)send any money either. Sen. Sanders needs to distance himself from this group...he was at one of their rallies in Texas. Why would you protest a private citizen? I consider Nina Turner culpable for 16 and no different than Sarandon or Stein.
TexasTowelie
(112,247 posts)Bernie was at the Our Revolution rallies in San Antonio and Lubbock last weekend.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)He also said stuff about the Democratic Party. I won't vote for Sanders in a primary in 20. He should not be permitted to run as a Democrat as he is not a Democrat clearly. Our Revolution hates Democrats.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)If Sanders disagrees with this Putin-funded organization - and I assume he does - then he needs to publicly disavow them.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and how does her speech harm middle- and lower class-citizens?
Cha
(297,306 posts)come up with some answers.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)They are making shit up. She is a private citizen and can speak when and where she pleases. Why the hell are they not protesting the Nazi's in the White House!?!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)So the next best thing is to stalk the woman they blame for all their shortcomings.
Our Revolution is pathetic.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I've heard that their track-record of success isn't very good at all. (Except when they "endorse" candidates who are running unopposed, I suppose.)
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)claim an unearned win.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)These pukes are servants of Putin!
We have a MFing fascist SOB in the white house threatening democracy and the rule of law every day and 'our revolution" pieces of trash want to protest Hillary!?
Go to hell you fucking undercover republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!
bpj62
(999 posts)I am so confused. It is 2018 and The General Election was 16 months ago. Hilliary is a private citizen and is allowed to speak where she wants. Also as multiple posters have stated she is receiving the standard speaker fee that comes from an endowment that Rutgers established which bliws,a hole in the Hilliary is disconnected from reality part of the OP. I was taught that time is money but I guess if you are Hilliary you are supposed to either shut up and go away or not gert paid for your time.
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)We'll see how the candidates they've endorsed (if any) for office fare, but so far it seems that for all their blustering they've accomplished absolutely NOTHING.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This is just a money-grab for those malcontents who still can't accept reality.
They're not fooling anyone.
Sad.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts). . . . Silence = Ascent
betsuni
(25,537 posts)LonePirate
(13,424 posts)This protest is perhaps the worst political stunt perpetrated since 1/20/2017 by anyone not in the White House.
vi5
(13,305 posts)....I'm someone who thinks that Hillary was not a great candidate, and who takes a lot of issues with her politically. But it's done and she is a private citizen so what is the point in protesting her?
Especially at a college like Rugers (I'm from NJ) that spends such ridiculous amounts of money on sports programs that 25K is a drop in the bucket. I'd much rather my state university be spending money on speakers with a lot to say like Hillary than on almost anything else that they already spend their money on.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)a GOP hatchet jobs work. The villainization of Hillary Clinton was a GOP hit job and was never true or fair. Until we stop allowing such hit jobs to matter to us, we will not win consistently as any candidate is subject to this.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)That's $277 a minute.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)If you want to throw out snide and stale rally cries, expect them back. No more of this double standard nonsense.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And make a personal attack based on your wrong perception.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)has been allowed unchecked. We all know what you meant about her speech.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I didn't expect you to admit your mistake.
I forgive you.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Was this not a leftover primary rally cry to blame Clinton for the harassment by Bernies revolution group? For a group that pretends to be about transparency, its hypocritical not to open your own books.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)You're looking for a quarrel where there is none.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)by minute compensation wasnt really a rally cry from the primary meant to malign Hillary like we weve seen from the Revolution?? Because I was just referencing that its hypocritical not to be transparent when you demand it of others...
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I don't play that sad game.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Remember,
we were asked --
"When will Hillary be allowed to speak ??? !!!"
(Inferring she has been silenced)
George II
(67,782 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)From the link:
Hillary Clinton will make a rare appearance at Rutgers University to talk about politics, American democracy, her career and womens role in the political movement.
The universitys Eagleton Institute of Politics will host the talk on March 29. The former secretary of state, senator, first lady and presidential candidate will speak at the College Avenue Gym at the New Brunswick, New Jersey, campus.
Clinton will talk with Eagleton director Ruth Mandel about her years in public life, the institutions of government, her political career and her role in shaping womens political history, according to the Eagleton Institute.
Clinton will visit the university as the Eagleton Institutes 2017-2018 Clifford P. Case Professor of Public Affairs.
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And Here:
http://wpgtalkradio.com/hillary-speech-at-rutgers-sold-out-moved-to-larger-venue/
Students, faculty, and staff will be able to register for tickets to the event on Wednesday at 2 p.m. The public will be able to register for remaining tickets at 2 p.m., March 20. Links for tickets will be posted on the institutes social media channels, and everyone who already reserved a ticket will have a new one re-issued prior to the event. Current ticket holders will get an update on their new tickets by email, according to the school.
Clinton will be paid through an endowment for the Clifford P. Case Professor for Public Affairs. When former President Barack Obama spoke at the schools commencement ceremony almost two years ago, he received just over $1.4 million for his speech. Clinton will get $25,000,
NJ.com reported.
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Is this what Our Rev & The Sanders Institute has become?
This is what Endowments are set up for Nina.
Maybe talk to Rutgers about your problem.
Have fun with your fake claim of a protest.
I'm sure you'll find some Trumpers to join you.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Our Revolution packs no punch at all in US politics. It is just a small group of people who don't really understand politics, trying to make a name for themselves. They're revolting (in both senses of the word), but nobody is noticing.
Hillary's talk will be well-attended. Those protesting her speech will be well-ignored.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)She's not running for office. She's a private citizen. She has the right to go and speak wherever she wants. She's NOT a threat to the current Democratic movement. SHE'S RETIRED! And she served our country with distinction.
Making an issue of the fact that she has a speaking engagement is a distraction that no one needs. Whoever decided to make a scene at Rutgers is seriously misguided and mistaken. I'd suspect that there's some manipulation of the "leaders" of this movement by Russian agents of influence, or even GOP trolls. Someone ought to put a stop to it.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)and have not read their recent emails. Looks like I am out of touch.
Groups do what groups do. If you have to agree with everything someone does you are asking for something that does not remotely resemble this country and what it supposedly stands for.
Hillary is a big girl. If she could not stand up to this she would be at home babysitting the grands. I think she will live through this too.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)peggysue2
(10,831 posts)This is the same group that attacked the Democratic Party from its left flank because . . . well because Trump would be a grand impetus to Our Revolution. Clearly the Susan Sarandon faction would be pleased as punch with this 'rallying of the troops.'
Nina Turner and her adherents offer the lame excuse that the protest is all about money in politics harming middle and lower class citizens. They, like the Far-Right, seem to have missed the results of the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton is not in the WH. Hillary Clinton is a private citizen. As a private citizen she has the right to speak her mind at any venue she damn well chooses.
Or is Our Revolution against First Amendment rights; one should only speak or accept a fee when the subject matter & venue is approved by their organization? Or is she to speak for free? Would that 'put her in touch" with the critics and howlers??
Sorry, but these are the same people shouting for the ouster of Nancy Pelosi and DiFi because these woman also do not meet their standards.
This on-going nonsense gives the Horseshoe Theory a good deal of credence.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)What do they hope to gain from this idiocy?
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)We are dealing with Trump/Russia, the possibility of Trump subverting a legal investigation of him, and the possibility of him initiating/supporting nuclear war with N. Korea and THIS, THIS is what OR is focusing on?!
I just can't even.......
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)William Kristol: Our Country, the Constitution and Conservatism
http://eagleton.rutgers.edu/events/
A quick check of OR's FB page listing events shows nothing whatsoever in terms of protesting him:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/orhazlet/events/?ref=page_internal
I guess he wasn't really offensive to them. He is a long time conservative. But apparently he isn't "out of touch" like they rant Hillary Rodham Clinton is.
I'm guessing they won't be protesting any of the rest of the Obama adminstration or GWB's administration either.
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)so we now know who Our Revolution wants to revolt against. They seem to be reaching out to Trump and his supporters.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Not surprised.
George II
(67,782 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)They got a lot of pushback. Well done
George II
(67,782 posts)....and they're saying it has no association with Our Revolution.
Yes, they must have gotten a lot of push back.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)It was not a good thing this was approved in the first place, and shows quite clearly what their instinctual opinions are. They hate HRC, perhaps even more than Trump, and would rather attack people who are in the trenches in them than the ones on the other side of the battlefield. I use a bloody, violent war metaphor because make no mistake, we are at war, Trump is a traitor, and the republic is at stake, and Our Revolution would rather attack the Allies than the Axis.
George II
(67,782 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)feed.. also Weaver says "BS does not support the protest and condemns the action"
So stupid to begin with.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)She's a celebrity and in-demand speaker who should make whatever the market rate is for her services... $25k is chump change, she could've probably gotten $250k if she pressed them.
Nina Turner and Corny West are alt-left PoC tokens, in what is a mostly white (and white identified) movement.
The alt-left are anything but progressive: they are socially conservative/libertarian and economically hard left... basically neo-Dixiecrats who hate social liberalism and progressive capitalism that is embraced by the modern Clinton/Obama Dem party.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)What's the point of going after Hillary? Frankly, I don't give a damn how much anyone gets paid for giving a speech. If they can get paid a fair amount of money, then good for them. Besides, $25K is pretty low compared to her standard fee.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)And incidentally, 25K for a 1.5 hour talk is peanuts.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Obviously that isn't so, this event being exhibit Z in a long line of evidence, but like the jpr members who frequented our board a year and a half ago, OR can make it much harder to fight our real enemy, the GOP. OR is fucking shooting us in the back as we charge the nazis, and they have no shame about it.