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https://www.axios.com/robert-mueller-investigation-obstruction-justice-collusion-2128e27f-bbb6-4b82-9e28-c6f1244fb9e3.html
Axios has learned that special counsel Robert Mueller has focused on events since the election not during the campaign in his conversations with President Trump's lawyers. The top two topics that Mueller has expressed interest in so far: the firings of FBI director James Comey and national security adviser Michael Flynn.
Why it matters: That suggests a focus on obstruction of justice while in office, rather than collusion with Russia during the campaign. But both sagas are interwoven with Russia: Trump himself has linked Comey's firing to Russia, and Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition.
The Mueller and Trump teams are hoping to work out the specifics of a presidential interview within the next few weeks.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)I mean they probably have the goods on the Russians, Cambridge, Flynn, Stone, Wikileaks, Trump Tower meeting, etc. They can easily lay that all out with indictments.
The icing on the cake could be the obstruction of justice which just kind of happens everyday Trump is President.
mucifer
(23,549 posts)be the end game?
I hope they are wrong. Maybe I'm reading something wrong here.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Mueller probably wrapped that up a while ago.
Now he's casting a wider net to bring down more people.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)have done so. It's no secret to anyone. It's just that GOPers -- voters and legislators -- don't care about that, and a lot of others aren't going to get sufficiently excited about that.
To get a new congress.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)With a few GOPers, we might get enough votes in the House in 2018 to begin the process.
I think Mueller has to come up with something so shocking, that even white wing racist America says, "lock him up." Don't see that happening. Although, maybe we can stop trump from getting nomination for 2020, and lock his kids, SIL, and a bunch of his henchmen up.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)Not on the issue of Impeachment, but taking away all funding for his hair brain ideas. The House controls the purse strings. I'm thinking that will be the straw that pushes him into the deep end. No more $ for golf trips, no $ for wall, no $ for parades and so on.
I could be wrong, not the first time, but that is how I see it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)make enemies, and similar junk. Taking House would be a big start and would send a message to Senators for sure.
Wounded Bear
(58,666 posts)tblue37
(65,403 posts)other financial crimes.
bucolic_frolic
(43,177 posts)is up to us
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)Mueller only cares about which laws were broken, by whom, and how many times.
That's why impeachment isn't in Mueller's bag of tricks, only indictments.
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)Maybe Mueller isn't discussing collusion at this point with them for some reason. Maybe that phase of the investigation is concluded.
And what about the money laundering?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...not what will benefit the target.
Also, the focus on malfeasance while in office makes the case much more powerful. We see every day that Trump is colluding in very obvious ways. This is a clear and PRESENT danger; the fear factor for Americans is palpable and should be part of Mueller's calculation.
Texin
(2,596 posts)to Federal prosecutors in the jurisdictions in which those incidents took place, i.e., the Southern District of NY and elsewhere? I'm not referring exclusively to money laundering here, but anything else prosecutable related to any activities with the Russians or other foreign contacts. You have to know he's uncovered a trove of it.
I honestly find it improbable that Mueller's focus would be so narrow as to preclude everything else while singularly pursuing obstruction of justice since tRump's been 'resident. That would mean that he realizes nothing will ever be done so long as the rethugs are in power because they won't allow it to happen and the Dems will have no power to circumvent their inaction.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)laundering is linked to conspiracies to initiate actions taken that are detrimental to the national interests. Actions that benefit Putin.
Wounded Bear
(58,666 posts)Especially in the modern era when "money" is little more than electronic transfers between financial organizations.
It's not like you can trace serial numbers on certain bills that change hands.
That's why money laundering is so easy and so prevalent.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)How do they EVER keep track of it all ??
I can't even follow my grocery list without forgetting something.
Texin
(2,596 posts)it portends ominously for others, and perhaps for tRump's own family members, which he's wrapped up in any of it or not (and, of course, we know he is at the root of it, whether he can be tied up with them or not). In any event, it certainly paints a very clear picture of just how corrupt he and his crime family (and his GOP enablers) are. That may have significant positive consequences for Dems in the near future. Or not. Everything depends on what the scared witless chicken with his head chopped off does next. And, frankly, anything is possible because of it.
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)I'm sure he would do a very thorough job.
Ok ya got his cell #?
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)made Muellers job relatively easy. They were not very secrative about the things they did and should have known better, but apparently didnt. Flynn, Kushner and others certainly should have a had a clue that their behavior and actions would be picked up by our national security pros but they went ahead anyway, throwing caution to the wind. So catching them and uncovering their lies was probably the easiest part of the job.
Putin, however, had more inside knowledge of how the spy business works so unraveling his dirty deeds might take a bit more sleuthing. Just from the bits and pieces weve learned about, I suspect there is a huge board somewhere with lines and links connecting the whole dirty mob to each other. Every day Mueller fills in another line in that web and soon enough he will tell us what he found. The hints and cases already known to us are tantalizing material and when it all is revealed, were gonna find out that real life is way more ugly and deceptive than fiction.
For me, I just want to see tRump pay for his crimes. I want to see that smug look wiped off of his face. I want to see him bald, dressed in prison garb, in handcuffs, pushed into a squad car headed for a long prison stay. Oh, please let me live long enough to see justice carried out on his sorry, baggy ass.