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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:07 AM Mar 2018

A huge clue about Mueller's endgame

A huge clue about Mueller's endgame

https://www.axios.com/robert-mueller-investigation-obstruction-justice-collusion-2128e27f-bbb6-4b82-9e28-c6f1244fb9e3.html

Axios has learned that special counsel Robert Mueller has focused on events since the election — not during the campaign — in his conversations with President Trump's lawyers. The top two topics that Mueller has expressed interest in so far: the firings of FBI director James Comey and national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Why it matters: That suggests a focus on obstruction of justice while in office, rather than collusion with Russia during the campaign. But both sagas are interwoven with Russia: Trump himself has linked Comey's firing to Russia, and Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition.

The Mueller and Trump teams are hoping to work out the specifics of a presidential interview within the next few weeks.
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A huge clue about Mueller's endgame (Original Post) Miles Archer Mar 2018 OP
They probably already know everything about Russian collusion titaniumsalute Mar 2018 #1
That's depressing. Why wouldn't treasonous conspiring with all the evidence they have not mucifer Mar 2018 #2
Proving collusion was easy - just play the "Russia, if you're listening..." tape. lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #9
He is running this the way he ran his mob investigation. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #18
If Congress were going to take action against trump for obstruction of justice, they would already Hoyt Mar 2018 #3
More reason Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #5
No question about that. Although I doubt we'll get enough Senators for the 67 votes needed there. Hoyt Mar 2018 #8
Win the House and he is toast. safeinOhio Mar 2018 #15
It'll definitely help. But he's still got Supreme Court nominations, executive orders, tweets that Hoyt Mar 2018 #17
Comey is about obstruction, Flynn is about collusion/Russian connections... Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #4
And the current subpoena for the Trump organization is about money laundering and tblue37 Mar 2018 #19
Political outrage over the hacked election bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #6
Yes Mueller has no political outrage FakeNoose Mar 2018 #11
This conclusion is based on conversations with Trump's lawyers Poiuyt Mar 2018 #7
Yeah, Mueller reveals to the target what he thinks will benefit the investigation... lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #10
Is it possible that Mueller has turned information on the money laundering over Texin Mar 2018 #12
I keep hoping that Mueller will be able to prove that specific money Enoki33 Mar 2018 #16
Money is fungible... Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #21
Money originates from specific accounts. That is how it is traced back. Enoki33 Mar 2018 #24
He must have SO MANY different 'threads' going at the same time. pangaia Mar 2018 #13
It certainly appears that way to me. Based on the folks already caught in the net, Texin Mar 2018 #14
Maybe you can get Robert Mueller to do your grocery shopping for you :) Poiuyt Mar 2018 #20
LOLOLO pangaia Mar 2018 #23
It looks to me like a lot of the people swept up into tRumps web of lies and deception Grammy23 Mar 2018 #22

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
1. They probably already know everything about Russian collusion
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:11 AM
Mar 2018

I mean they probably have the goods on the Russians, Cambridge, Flynn, Stone, Wikileaks, Trump Tower meeting, etc. They can easily lay that all out with indictments.

The icing on the cake could be the obstruction of justice which just kind of happens everyday Trump is President.

mucifer

(23,549 posts)
2. That's depressing. Why wouldn't treasonous conspiring with all the evidence they have not
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:23 AM
Mar 2018

be the end game?

I hope they are wrong. Maybe I'm reading something wrong here.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Proving collusion was easy - just play the "Russia, if you're listening..." tape.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:54 AM
Mar 2018

Mueller probably wrapped that up a while ago.

Now he's casting a wider net to bring down more people.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. If Congress were going to take action against trump for obstruction of justice, they would already
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:12 AM
Mar 2018

have done so. It's no secret to anyone. It's just that GOPers -- voters and legislators -- don't care about that, and a lot of others aren't going to get sufficiently excited about that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. No question about that. Although I doubt we'll get enough Senators for the 67 votes needed there.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:46 AM
Mar 2018

With a few GOPers, we might get enough votes in the House in 2018 to begin the process.

I think Mueller has to come up with something so shocking, that even white wing racist America says, "lock him up." Don't see that happening. Although, maybe we can stop trump from getting nomination for 2020, and lock his kids, SIL, and a bunch of his henchmen up.

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
15. Win the House and he is toast.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:16 AM
Mar 2018

Not on the issue of Impeachment, but taking away all funding for his hair brain ideas. The House controls the purse strings. I'm thinking that will be the straw that pushes him into the deep end. No more $ for golf trips, no $ for wall, no $ for parades and so on.
I could be wrong, not the first time, but that is how I see it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. It'll definitely help. But he's still got Supreme Court nominations, executive orders, tweets that
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:03 PM
Mar 2018

make enemies, and similar junk. Taking House would be a big start and would send a message to Senators for sure.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
19. And the current subpoena for the Trump organization is about money laundering and
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:07 PM
Mar 2018

other financial crimes.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
11. Yes Mueller has no political outrage
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:58 AM
Mar 2018

Mueller only cares about which laws were broken, by whom, and how many times.
That's why impeachment isn't in Mueller's bag of tricks, only indictments.



Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
7. This conclusion is based on conversations with Trump's lawyers
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:45 AM
Mar 2018

Maybe Mueller isn't discussing collusion at this point with them for some reason. Maybe that phase of the investigation is concluded.

And what about the money laundering?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
10. Yeah, Mueller reveals to the target what he thinks will benefit the investigation...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:57 AM
Mar 2018

...not what will benefit the target.

Also, the focus on malfeasance while in office makes the case much more powerful. We see every day that Trump is colluding in very obvious ways. This is a clear and PRESENT danger; the fear factor for Americans is palpable and should be part of Mueller's calculation.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
12. Is it possible that Mueller has turned information on the money laundering over
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:04 AM
Mar 2018

to Federal prosecutors in the jurisdictions in which those incidents took place, i.e., the Southern District of NY and elsewhere? I'm not referring exclusively to money laundering here, but anything else prosecutable related to any activities with the Russians or other foreign contacts. You have to know he's uncovered a trove of it.

I honestly find it improbable that Mueller's focus would be so narrow as to preclude everything else while singularly pursuing obstruction of justice since tRump's been 'resident. That would mean that he realizes nothing will ever be done so long as the rethugs are in power because they won't allow it to happen and the Dems will have no power to circumvent their inaction.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
16. I keep hoping that Mueller will be able to prove that specific money
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:30 AM
Mar 2018

laundering is linked to conspiracies to initiate actions taken that are detrimental to the national interests. Actions that benefit Putin.

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
21. Money is fungible...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:28 PM
Mar 2018

Especially in the modern era when "money" is little more than electronic transfers between financial organizations.

It's not like you can trace serial numbers on certain bills that change hands.

That's why money laundering is so easy and so prevalent.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. He must have SO MANY different 'threads' going at the same time.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:05 AM
Mar 2018

How do they EVER keep track of it all ??

I can't even follow my grocery list without forgetting something.


Texin

(2,596 posts)
14. It certainly appears that way to me. Based on the folks already caught in the net,
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:12 AM
Mar 2018

it portends ominously for others, and perhaps for tRump's own family members, which he's wrapped up in any of it or not (and, of course, we know he is at the root of it, whether he can be tied up with them or not). In any event, it certainly paints a very clear picture of just how corrupt he and his crime family (and his GOP enablers) are. That may have significant positive consequences for Dems in the near future. Or not. Everything depends on what the scared witless chicken with his head chopped off does next. And, frankly, anything is possible because of it.

Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
20. Maybe you can get Robert Mueller to do your grocery shopping for you :)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:11 PM
Mar 2018

I'm sure he would do a very thorough job.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
22. It looks to me like a lot of the people swept up into tRumps web of lies and deception
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 12:46 PM
Mar 2018

made Mueller’s job relatively easy. They were not very secrative about the things they did and should have known better, but apparently didn’t. Flynn, Kushner and others certainly should have a had a clue that their behavior and actions would be picked up by our national security pros but they went ahead anyway, throwing caution to the wind. So catching them and uncovering their lies was probably the easiest part of the job.

Putin, however, had more inside knowledge of how the spy business works so unraveling his dirty deeds might take a bit more sleuthing. Just from the bits and pieces we’ve learned about, I suspect there is a huge board somewhere with lines and links connecting the whole dirty mob to each other. Every day Mueller fills in another line in that web and soon enough he will tell us what he found. The hints and cases already known to us are tantalizing material and when it all is revealed, we’re gonna find out that real life is way more ugly and deceptive than fiction.

For me, I just want to see tRump pay for his crimes. I want to see that smug look wiped off of his face. I want to see him bald, dressed in prison garb, in handcuffs, pushed into a squad car headed for a long prison stay. Oh, please let me live long enough to see justice carried out on his sorry, baggy ass.
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