Pence were to pardon him...

However, the state of New York will probably have a strong case against Trump and his organization for money laundering and other state crimes.

Wouldn't that be a show?

Ford commented later that it cost him the 1976 election.

Current DoJ thinking is that a sitting president can't be indicted (although this is not settled law). If he were to resign, however, any criminal charges within statutes of limitations could be brought to a grand jury, with indictments and the perp walk to follow. Impeachment and conviction are not criminal proceedings; they mean only that he loses his job. There are no criminal consequences. So, the longer he stays in office, the longer he stays out of prison.

Impeachment to me is simply an embarrassing conclusion to their presidency and doesn't mean anything except he gets a free ride home. (They may even let him take his jacket, which is more than he did to others.).

I think most of us want whatever it takes to end in a perp walk to prison. Remember, our children are watching.

Do Not Pass GO...Do Not Collect $200!

The charges, "high crimes and misdemeanors," do not even need to be statutory crimes you could go to jail for, although normally they are. If the House agrees to impeach the Senate then holds a trial, but "conviction" by the Senate is not conviction of a criminal offense. It means he loses his job and nothing more. (Bill Clinton was impeached by the House but he was not convicted by the Senate. He was not charged with a crime, although he was fined for civil contempt in the Paula Jones lawsuit and his law license was suspended.)

But all of this is entirely separate from the criminal process.

His followers scare me. If he resigns, then they'll just be disappointed. If they impeach him, they will cry "coup" and may turn violent.

Who else?

Wouldn't that burn his butt?

It would be the fastest way. Impeachment will only work if his flying monkeys in Congress can't ignore all the proof. That is to say, we KNOW about his dirty doings, but that's not enough for those in the congressional show. Making a deal would appeal to his delusion, would let him think he "won" by getting off the hook, and we would be RID of him FAST. With the added benefit that somebody posted here, that his supporters couldn't call "coup."

After Nixon's pardon and the screams from the public toward Gerald Ford, I'd be surprised to see Pence pull that. He's going to get enough of his own for hypocrisy and his "Mother" complex. He may look adoringly at Trump, but I'm sure that inside, he is seething and eager to get rid of him.

A coup would be different and maybe something to wake everyone up. We've never had one of those. Since we've gone through about everything else since 2016, we might as well give it a try...educate the uneducated. It might be the patriotic thing to do. God knows we haven't seen much patriotism for a while.

Pence could pardon federal charges, but I'd bet anything there are backup state charges waiting in the wings. His orange ass belongs in jail.

time he spent in military school.

So, as Hillary once wrote..."It takes a village to raise a child," so it is up to us to show him what it means to pay for your bad deeds.

Besides, orange is his color of choice.

letting him off the hook just to get rid of him. On the other hand, every.single.day. he is in office brings more misery and destruction to our system of governance. Which, come to think if it, is exactly what Putin would love to see. As for tRump, I don’t think he gives a rat’s ass about any of that. He is just upholding his end of the deal he struck with the Russians/Putin or they have him backed into a corner and he has no choice.

In the end, I’d have to come down on the side of what is right and fulfills justice. tRump has done real harm to every person in America and probably others around the world. He has been a terrible businessman who has harmed people with his business practices for decades and apparently without consequences. It is time for that to end. When he entered the political arena and decided to become part of our government, he left his relatively safe world of business. He has betrayed the public trust of those in leadership. He must be held accountable.

Whichever way is the surest, most likely way to bring the long arm of the law down upon his head (and those who were cahoots with him) and allow justice to prevail is the way to go. Whether that will happen remains to be seen, but if he is allowed to get away with his crimes, the people of this country will rightly lose faith in the principles we’ve been led to believe are a crucial part of the foundations of our nation.

Better chance of this happening than Trump resigning.