And a lot of our government.

They get richer, and we get poorer.

Now another piece of the brainwashing apparatus has been exposed.

The oligarch Mercer's Cambridge Analytica.

It will only stop when we make it stop.

If any laws were broken, the Mercers should be locked up like poor powerless law breakers.

Like that will ever happen.

Scum like the Mercers live above ALL LAWS.

Scum.

Really devastating stuff. Those paid speeches on Wall Street don’t hold a candle to this.

Did he solicit that support? Did he welcome it? Was he in on the planning? Was he ever asked? Russian bots were all over "Black Lives Matter" also. Does that make that movement complicit with the Russians?

The thing is there are some on this board who say stuff like that all the time who are dead serious about it. Anyway, thanks for setting me straight

I hear anti-Bernie complaints every day now. It's not just random, there's a common thread. Who is behind the smears? And anyone who complains that Bernie was the willing recipient of Russian help needs to put up or shut up.

Slamming a primary candidate two years later is obsessive and suspicious.

you mean like organizing a picket against Hillary by Our Revolution, just this week?

And I seem to recall Hillary Clinton being harshly criticized for all manner of things far more than 2 years after the fact.

Consideting some of the issues people are concerned about didn’t come to light until re entry and, the last time I checked, there’s no Statute of Limitations on what can and can’t be discussed on a political board, accusing fellow DUers of being part of some anti-Bernie conspiracy is beyond the pale.

She was told to sit down and shut up.

who didn't do as well as she did, in many areas.

Big part of the reason I don’t use DU nearly as much as I used to.

who were passionate Bernie supporters and they won't come to DU anymore. I've always loved Bernie, though I did not support him as a presidential candidate. The Bernie hate is a real turn off and sometimes a bit suspicious. I really think we have more important things to address right now.

Not sure why I even clicked on this thread. I usually avoid them.

There are 2 parties. Bernie isn't in any of them. You and your friends have a nice day!

I didn't find him a viable candidate for president, but I think the Bernie bashing here is over-the-top, much of it not deserved. I see no reason for the snark.

You know, it possible to like Bernie AND support Hillary. I thought she was the more qualified candidate, even though I liked a lot of what he said. I don't see why it has to be so black and white with some people. It only creates unnecessary and damaging dissent within the party. Meanwhile, it has been two years and we have a madman in the White House possibly planning World War III. Bernie is the last thing on my mind for the most part.

Have a nice day.

"There are 2 parties. Bernie isn't in any of them."

Don't care.

"You and your friends have a nice day!"

Thanks! I'm off to work, you have a nice day as well.

quite unlike the primaries in 2004 and 2008, though contentious, faded away as the general elections got underway. Disappointed supporters of other candidates, eventually got behind Kerry and Obama. This time was so different. The attacks and counter attacks became brutal and often personal.

I avoided DU throughout the primaries and when I returned, I didn't click on the threads about Bernie versus Clinton for the most part. Trump was a far greater concern. Meanwhile, I tread softly around my Bernie supporting friends, as I could see the election was putting a great deal of stress on our bonds. I am happy to say that we are all still together and our friendships survived, some by a thin thread. This is important to all of us, as we need each other as we live through our current nightmare with Trump in the White House.

It wasn't to make him president. It was to take power away from the Democrats who were the greatest obstacle to Russia's plans to invade surrounding nations and give it to a right wing controlled by a few wealthy Americans who share Putin's interests.

Over 90% of Sanders' primary supporters voted Democrat wisely and responsibly and had no hand in electing Trump.

Of the remainder, I frankly suspect many simply cannot recognize their role in electing Trump and throwing control of our nation to the right. Much less repent and do better.

But, please, those who are capable of recognizing that 10%'s huge role in electing Trump should be terrified that anything they themselves are doing could accidentally help the Republicans keep control of congress on November 6.

It's Democrat versus Republican. Anyone who imagines he can support some third party or odd candidate without benefiting the Republicans is terribly, terribly mistaken.

Putin was sowing discord within the Democratic party and very effectively. Meanwhile, the American programming on RT was very liberal. I didn't care for the channel, even though people I really liked were on it. I think the very left agenda could have been to promote even more dissent among Democrats. I was so happy when Thom Hartmann finally left, as I've always admired him.

I'm sure over time, we will discover more things that Putin did to undermine our democracy. The man is very crafty and sets very long term goals. Also, I think he takes great pleasure is watching the worldwide meltdowns he has created. I picture a cartoon type villain laughing maniacally in front of a wall of televisions.

I know people who got played and when they realized it, were more angry and united than ever. I am pretty optimistic about a strong Democratic front. We don't have to agree about everything to fight Trump and the republicans in congress, though we have to be constantly vigilant, as republicans cheat like most people eat and breath.

as it is now.

However he's not a member of the Dem Party. He just used the Dems to run in their primaries. Some of his supporters were very nasty. Then when Bernie lost he quit.

He campaigned for Dems during the 2016 cycle and is still very involved endorsing and campaigning for candidates all over the country.

How exactly is Bernie using the party when he has caucused with us for decades, votes with us more often than several of our own party do, is appointed to a leadership position within the party by Schumer, and funded the Progressive Caucus? Supporters on both sides were very nasty but it's a primary after all and look how rough 2008 was. Yikes! As far as he quitting, I doubt Schumer & Pelosi are complaining that he went back to being an (I) considering how important they see his voice. Also, he was elected as an (I) and as such he represents his constituents first and foremost (those who voted for him.)

So yeah I'm a bit confused by your statement. Bernie is an important voice who helps our party and his votes are invaluable.

and the fundamental progressive principles it stands for.

The benefits of media exposure and getting name recognition from that media exposure. We’ll need to talk to Tad Devine about the other part of his campaign which was then attacking Democrats/Hillary. That’s where this article comes in. You should read the article in the OP, “Bernie’s Russia Problem”.

Parroting two year old rally cries is not what this is about. Reality is now, events exposed every day. Criminal events. Crimes against Hillary, but also our country. Where is Tad Devine? He used to work with the felon, Manafort.

and he was smart in doing so too, if he had ran as an indy, things would have been a lot worse but Bernie knew this and from the very get go he said he would support the Dem nominee for POTUS. These IMHO are good things. It also seems everybody these days has a Russia problem and nobody is safe.

Reality is people are sleeping in their cars who work 2 jobs and are homeless. People can't afford their health care costs, their medication, their copays and deductibles. 60% of American's have less than $400 in savings. These aren't rallying cries from 2 years ago, they are facts and speak of how bad things are. People are suffering in ways like never before and the rich are getting a whole lot richer. Russia certainly is an issue but it isn't a platform that will bring voters out in 2020. People want something to vote FOR which will help them.

running as an Indy. He knew he needed Democrats for the benefits they provided for his exposure. Those are his words. He had no idea and obviously no confidence in running as an Indy or he would have done so. He needed the exposure only a big party affiliation would bring him.

Reality is that you are again distorting "issues", as if no one has ever worked for poor people before, so we don't need to use some generic platitudes that pretend only one man can help the world. Actually, the reality is that Bernie has a fundamental misunderstanding of who the oligarchs really are, so if we continue to hand over power to the GOP, we see the results. That's just sad you refuse to acknowledge the damage that has been done by letting our party be demonized while the GOP did nothing but benefit. Your distractions and distortions are a testament to how much the "issues" are personality driven. That is exactly what the Russians wanted -- peddle undermining lies to destroy confidence in our government. You should read the article, "Bernie's Russia Problem."

Quote from the article:

"They do believe, however, that the mainstream media’s “fetish” and “obsession” with “Russiagate” is a hoax designed to deflect scrutiny away from the Democratic Party’s wishes to remain subservient to the 1 percent at the expense of the working people it claims to represent. Blaming Clinton is a way for Sanders to lead the fight against the status quo. In other words, Bernie’s supporters are similar in mentality to Trump’s."

There is no way Bernie would have ran as a Dem and it isn't just for the exposure but the fact he would split the vote too. Again, he said that he would support the Dem nominee should he not get the nod, so what exactly the problem? I see none.

Generic platitudes? Bernie has brought to light many issues American's face today that simply haven't been getting talked about. Did you watch his town hall last week? I don't have a misunderstanding of how Bernie has been critical of our party, I think perhaps you do though. Criticism is how we grow, we can't stick our heads in the sands and ignore the fact that our party has massive issues. It wasn't Bernie who caused us to lose over 1100 seats, the house, the senate, the presidency and 2/3rds of state governorships. Nearly 50% of voters stayed home. These are real issues which need to be addressed and fixed. Bernie is simply saying that. There is no harm in that at all. What Russia wanted is to divide liberals; look at the threads on here basically saying Bernie is the bad guy. They've succeeded with some but not at all. As far as nobody ever working for poor people before, do you hold the same opinion on Rev. Barbers movement "The Poor People's Campaign" which Bernie fully supports?

That article is fully of junk and the author has been getting dragged on twitter for his baseless accusations. Are there people who believe Russiagate is a hoax? Sure. There are. Are they the majority? Do the majority of Republicans believe that the lunar landing was fake? No. Trying to equate those of us who support Bernie to Trump is doing Trump's work for him. Who needs Russians when you have things like that happening?

the Russians supported it. You seriously need to watch current news and analysis. The world is leaving you behind. Criticizing Democrats in the name of helping them has been exposed to be a complete scam on gullible people. Are you even aware of the vast amount of data mining on all manner of social media -- Facebook, and now microtargeting that Cambridge Analytica has just been exposed as engaging in?

Facebook is now being sued by users who had their data stolen or misused. Listen to Malcolm Nance who outlines how the microtargeting of Facebook pages was drilled down to individuals -- 15 at a time. Any activity on their pages -- who they liked, what they bought, any political message, and they were targeted with a year's worth of anti-Democrat/anti-Hillary messages. You need to accept the facts that, witting or unwitting, Bernie's message was amplified because it helped undermine Democrats. You seem okay with that, and I have to wonder. That is not okay in my book.

You need to pay attention to current news.

A two-year old campaign is not what is happening now. Anyone can gain recognition by being a demagogue. That's the easy part. Fun ideas are fun, but now we have Trump.

This is how you grow, you have to be fair and honest. I watch current news & analysis, you should watch progressive news and analysis.The world is leaving me behind? Nah. It's not. I am able to understand, as a Democrat, that Bernie means well and I also know that our party isn't so fragile that it can't handle things like that. I'd like you to cite your sources that say "Criticizing Democrats in the name of helping them has been exposed to be a complete scam on gullible people.". Thank you. Bernie has been doing what he does for a very long time, long before Russia was even a thing.

Facebook has long been known to use users data and is one of the biggest privacy concerns on the internet. This also isn't the forst time they have been sued for privacy concerns either.

Do you think Bernie is willfully & knowingly trying to hurt the Democratic party? Yes or no.

obviously the criticism of Democrats is used to gain an advantage. Why should I listen to Russia Today? They are all registered Foreign Agents. You should read what is involved with being a Foreign Agent. It is underhanded messages like that used as propaganda. I watch current news. All channels, mostly MSNBC. How absurd to ask people to prove reality to you. Read about the Mueller indictments.

You sound very familiar.

Who brought up anything about Russia Today? Huh? Why are you trying to equate Bernie, a member of the Democratic leadership, to foreign agents? That in itself is rather suspicious if you ask me. You honestly think Bernie Sanders, who has caucused with Democrats for decades, votes with Democrats and has for decades, is involved with being a foreign agent for Russia?

Talk about sounding familiar.

Only he can criticize and critique. That’s how he built his brand. Even you fell for it because you are parroting the two-year old rally cries about “criticizing” Democrats when reality and current events prove that is why the Russians helped promote him. He criticized Democrats and that helped Republicans. It is not helping to criticize Democrats. The ship has sailed on that propaganda. It is part of a strategy to gain an advantage.

You should read the Mueller indictments.

You should listen to current news.

You should read the article in this OP, “Bernie’s Russia Problem.”

Who cares what Facebook did before, because the current news shows they are exposed as aiding a foreign government in undermining our elections. The article in the OP shows how some cannot accept Russiagate because it means they are wrong.

Sanders platform during the primaries was based on the concept that Sanders would have the benefit of a massive wave of new voters joining that would force the GOP to adopt these proposals. That wave never materialized and if fact sanders got the same percentage of the vote as Dean did in 2004 and basketball player did in 2000. While some of these proposals sound nice, they did not generate any new voters in the real world.

I have looked at the numbers for 2018 and under the best of circumstances the Democrats would not pick up sufficient seats in the House or the Senate to force the GOP to adopt these proposals. No matter what you will need 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a filibuster and 67 votes to overcome a veto. I do not see the Democrats picking up enough seats in the House to over come a veto.

Exactly how will any of these proposals be adopted in the real world?

Not sure why you would think I don't and not sure why you feel the need to elude to that. Anyways....

That wave actually happened. Bernie got more young voters than Hillary and Trump combined. By a lot. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/20/more-young-people-voted-for-bernie-sanders-than-trump-and-clinton-combined-by-a-lot/?utm_term=.5b6de1bff6b4 I'm unsure why you would think otherwise and yes Bernie got many a voter.

Honestly, to me, it sounds like you have a case of "why should we even try anything, nothing is going to work!" First, you start going after things where there is common ground, see Yemen, The Patriot Act, FISA, the MIC, things like the re-importation of prescription drug, etc.

Can't we say the same though about any and all POTUS in 2020? It will certainly be a Dem because Trump isn't getting re-elected. Can you imagine a presidential campaign of "I won't have a majority so nothing is going to get done. Vote for me!"

I can't.

Sounds like the talking point accusing Democrats of: "stay the course, asking for as little as possible." So familiar!

Sanders lost the primary by 4 million votes and few if any new voters joined in. Sanders revolution only existed n people;s fantasy https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/articles/2016-04-15/bernie-sanders-bad-delegate-math-and-fantasy-revolution I agree with Prof. Krugman that sanders sold the fantasy of a voter revolution to make his platform wee less absurd.

No revolution showed up to support sanders in the real world. Exit poling showed that sanders brought in no new voters https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/?utm_term=.f3c0a979bdb6 finally Sanders would never have been able to deliver on his promises in the real world https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/21/1483791/-Imagine-Bernie-Sanders-wins-the-White-House-Then-what

I live in the real world. There was no revolution Sanders had to rely on undemocratic caucuses for many of his delegates and if there was this magical revolution, the voting totals would have been different.

The real world is a nice place.

....age groups.

A few things:

1. Primary voting rates are much less statistically reliable than overall general election votes (30 million voted in the Democratic primaries, 27 million voted in the republican primary, 137 million voted in the General Election) Turnout is typically less than half than the General Election.

2. Being primary votes, it's illogical to compare a candidate's Democratic primary votes to republican votes, they're two entirely different voter pools except in open primary states.

3. Even though the votes for Sanders was almost three times higher in that age group, the age group represents only 12% of all votes, minuscule compared to overall votes.

Finally that Washington Post article discusses votes in only 21 states, not all 50, omitting two of the largest states - California and New York.

The premise behind the Sanders platform was that millions or billions or maybe trillions of new voters would show up and force the GOP to reasonable and approve the Sanders platform. There were no new voters and Sanders essentially got the same percentage of the vote as Dean in 2004 and Bradley in 2000. That is not a revolution. The article cited does not show a revolution at all.

In the real world the platform being pushed never had a chance of being adopted With a magical revolution with millions or billions of new voters, the platform would have no chance of being adopted

...but in the General Election, which had record turnout (#, not %), voters in the 18-29 age group was lower than in 2012.

Can you clear up. Will millions or billions of new voters have to show up in order to make this revolutoin work?

Whose narrative does that serve?

Certainly not Democrats.

Others, yes, but not Democrats and certainly not any 2020 Democratic POTUS nominees.

Democrats have been doing actual legislating, and not simply talking about people are sleeping in their cars who work 2 jobs and are homeless, and people who can't afford their health care costs, their medication, their copays and deductibles.

The ACA and CHIP are two stellar examples of this. The Lilly Ledbetter Equal pay act is another.

I also think that your concern about the 2020 Democratic campaign messaging seems misplaced and premature. Here's a link to the platform, which I think you will find to address those things you seem to think that Democrats aren't paying attention to:

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

You may also not be aware that the majority of voters who voted on economic anxiety voted for Hillary Clinton, so I don't think that there is anything amiss in the Democratic message on economic issues.

And they need to be.

That isn't to say Dems haven't done great things because we all know they have but the reality is right now issues which impact every day people are not at the forefront of the discussion.

Citing CHIP and the ACA is great but one must keep in mind that thousands are still dying annually in this country from not having health insurance. This is one reason why I fully back a Medicare For All solution which will be a massive issue come 2020 and the sooner it is talked about and brought to the forefront, the better. For many progressives, that issue alone is a litmus test and many people simply won't support a candidate who is not for single payer.

I'm fully aware of what is in our party's platform and I am also fully aware that Bernie helped push that platform more to the left. I'm also fully aware that the URC commission recently met and recommended what the party should do. One thing I think which needs to be added to the platform is supporting the legalization of marijuana.

A very interesting read is here http://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-trump-econmic-issues-polls-2016-12 on the economic side of things and yes you are correct with your assertion about the economy.

Dems certainly are a positive, I'm not saying otherwise but I also believe that issues need to be talked about. Talking about "Russia" isn't addressing the people in this country who can't make rent or afford the cost of education for their children. These aren't just economic issues, they're social issues and this is where my focus lies being a progressive. We give Trump a massive military budget which is disgusting while the people who built the bridges in this country now sleep under them. Stormy Daniels isn't a platform to run on.

How do you claim that Democrats aren't talking about the issues that impact "every day people" when the last election showed that our candidate got the votes from people who were "every day people" (as opposed to "not every day people" I guess) on economic issues?

Perhaps the media outlets you consume aren't covering Democrats in a positive way.

And again, if election interference isn't dealt with before the elections this November, it won't matter what Democrats talk about, we might lose any chance we have at taking back the house.

Not talking about Russian interference serves a particular political agenda - and it's certainly not supporting Democrats.

I think that as you read more on DU, you'll get a better understanding of this.

And no one is "running on Stormy Daniels." That's what's known as attacking a strawman. You should avoid that.

The last election was a long time ago. It's 2018, how often do you see our party beating the drums of issues that matter? Even Elizabeth Warren is saying as much. Hillary garnered 25% of the total electorate vote, more people sat home and didn't vote than did. Think about that figure and ask why that is.

I watch the same media outlets as everybody else. All you hear is "Russia". It is continuous, it is non stop. Where are the stories of people like this? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/the-tent-cities-of-san-francisco.html Why isn't that a focus? Because drama like Stormy Daniels sells.

Nobody is saying not to talk about Russia but at the same time being drunk on it isn't good. Supporting Democrats means talking about actual issues; minimum wage, health care, social security, UBI, pot legalization, ending private prisons, death penalty, platform policy to run on. Issues. More than half of American's have less than $400 in income saved and at their disposal. $400! That is a very real issue!

to fit only those who support him. It's really disingenuous to say that if people/Democrats don't cater to one man that they are not adequate. Look at how you are misrepresenting and exploiting the tent cities and homelessness in California as if Bernie can fix it all by himself. People reject this kind of manipulation and they know better. Hence his loss in California.

How involved is Bernie in New York's homelessness issues?? He was born there, but he left for a more idyllic place that has little diversity or real world/city problems. Why would he do that? Why not roll up his sleeves and work for the homeless in New York. Standing at a podium criticizing people only promotes his brand of politics. Please quit exploiting my state to promote a politician from a small state across the country. California has many good Democrats, and the homeless issue is at the forefront. Has Bernie proposed any legislation like California Democrats have done?? Just a quick Google shows how disingenuous your accusations about California tent cities are. Enough of the empty smears. Quit promoting false information about my state.

and as a Democrat, I am willing to bet you do.

How about stop blaming Bernie for talking about issues people care about? That sounds like a plan because otherwise you're simply helping one person; Donald Trump.

Bernie's solution for a living wage, health care, education, would help lift people out of poverty. If you believe otherwise then I would like you to cite facts saying "no it doesn't". We both know what it would do and how it would help millions of people. A quick Google search about tent cities in California shows how disingenuous I am? NYT isn't exactly known to be a "disingenuous source" of information http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/03/25/us/20090326-TENTS_index/s/20090326-TENTS_slide1.html and either is CNN http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/16/pf/tent-city/index.html

This is what isn't being covered in the MSM, the forgotten ones, people who are truly suffering. If the figure below doesn't upset you then I am not sure what to tell you other than we are in 2 very different chapters of the same book.

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to Bernie's versions of presenting "issues." It's not about the issues, but how and who is presenting them. Enough with your personality politics. Do I get to say that it is you who doesn't care about the homelessness issue because you refuse to acknowledge California Democrats who have actually written and submitted legislation over the issue?? What legislation has Bernie written to help with homelessness??

who decided the election and who were manipulated into believing the lies peddled about our Democratic candidate. Those lies were peddled by Russians who helped Bernie and Trump to harm Hillary. Those are the facts. What you are saying is besides that point. It wasn't about the platform; it was about the lies spread to poison voters against Democrats. All it took was 75,000 people nationwide to believe the propaganda. Read the Mueller indictments. Watch the current news -- nary a program goes by without people talking about the election hacking. It's real. Trying to blame Democrats even more is just more of the losing strategy that got us Trump. Please quit blaming Democrats for that which you refuse to recognize.

It was both.

Please stop blaming Bernie for everything. No matter what he does that's correct, it will always be wrong in the minds of a select few. That only enables Trump and his stupid.

Please quit blaming Democrats for everything. Read the Mueller indictments to understand how recognizable your strategy is. That is what has enabled Trump. Bernie is just one man. Russia's attack was on Democrats. Watch the current news. Please. Let's move on to current issues and events and quit blaming Democrats even more.

I looked through your past posts, everything is "Bernie is bad man", it's almost all I see.
My strategy? Talking about social issues? Things which our party campaigns on? Okay.....
Since when are issues like health care and minimum wage a "current issue"? How odd.

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recognizable -- promote Bernie/blame Democrats for everything. What is "odd" is that you think it will work this time around kb. The divisiveness is what attracted Russia. Please watch the current news programs and read the Mueller indictments.

The same way you tried to blame California Democrats for not addressing the homeless issue is as disingenuous as saying that no one cares about health care or minimum wage. Please stop with the personality politics.

It doesn't however mean you are correct.

I watch current news and I also am well aware of what current issues are.

Where did I blame California Democrats? I'm not sure what you are reading but I don't appreciate words being put in my mouth which I didn't say especially when Orange County is home to to some of the biggest problems with tent cities and is heavily conservative.

Are you aware how bad things have gotten for people? I'm serious, have you? Are you even aware of Rev. Barber's "Poor People's Campaign"? Caring about minimum wage isn't personality politics at all. It's sad that you think that.

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the homeless?? Just grandstanding and spreading a general mistrust of politicians does nothing to help "issues." It is a self-serving strategy. The Russians used this strategy -- create suspicion and anger about our government, especially about Democrats to turn people against Hillary. You obviously refuse to accept that and continue with a spam campaign of "look over there" non sequiturs.

It's obvious that you don't even now yourself the extent of the homeless situation in California. If you did, you would know that some new/pending drug laws have exacerbated the ability of law enforcement to place those in need of services because they do not have the authority anymore to hold people. There is also a push from lawmakers to give homeless hotel vouchers; there are plans to build housing for them. Please quit attacking California Democrats or my state in general just to spam some irrelevant diversions to promote a politician who lives in a small homogeneous state clear across the country. Vermont has 600,000 people. Did I ask already what legislation Bernie has done to help the homeless??
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-homeless-oc-20180220-story.html

Your spammed pictures are rather inane but far reaching. To imply that politicians don't have to work together to get things done but just grandstand shows a complete lack of focus. Giving your power away to Republicans does no good, so this is just a complete diversion.

This is why you don't give your power away to Republicans. THIS is the lesson. The fact that you keep promoting one man's lost campaign is evidence that the lessons have not been learned about giving Republicans the power to slash budgets. So the bad decisions to give Republicans the White House also reflects in Vermont. We need to stay focused and quit blaming Democrats for what Republicans do.


http://www.reformer.com/stories/survey-vermont-homeless-population-increases-by-9-percent,350986

Formerly homeless people and those who help the homeless Wednesday said the actual number of homeless people in the state is likely much higher.

Federal budget cuts slashed the number of Section 8 vouchers in Vermont and contributed to the rise in homelessness this year, said Jeanne Montross, co-chairwoman of the Vermont Coalition to End Homelessness.

"We lost a lot of Section 8 vouchers due to sequestration," Montross said.

I suggest you get to know people here before you attack them.

Just vote Democratic.