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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI don't understand the obsession with the porn star and the playboy.... whatever
I don't understand why his lawyers tried to pay them. In contrast to the women who complained about his harassment and the "Access Hollywood" tape, his relations with these two were consensual. At least, they do not say otherwise.
We knew about him before the elections and yet these evangelical voters and the other "value" voters voted for hims. Still support him. So they are hypocrite. Nothing new.
So why is everyone so occupied with this? What difference does it make if the sex was "protected?"
I was embarrassed for Ali Velshi. I keep the TV on for his concise clear explanations of the day's events, especially the economy. Instead he was make - by the producers, no doubt - to air the reports about the "unprotected sex." I turned it off.
The only issue that I see is if paying the stormy woman violated campaign finance rules.
What am I missing?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)question everything
(47,488 posts)Did he try to hide this? The evangelicals were supporting him from the beginning because - oh the irony - they think that women should stay home and not run for president.
Cattledog
(5,916 posts)If you really want to loose the woman vote do this.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Seriously, I don't get all the I don't get it! posts. What kind of world do these people live in? It isn't just RW fundies who don't cheat on their pregnant spouses with porn stars. In fact, I'm not all that surprised RW fundies don't care, just like they didn't care about the pussy grabbing. But most people I know did care about that stuff just like they do the latest scandal. They both speak to how he views women.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It is no secret that his relationship with Marples began while he was still married to Ivana, so his lack of marital fidelity was not some sort of unknown.
Aside from which, I don't think anyone has any illusion that his marriage to Melania was the result of two kids falling head over heels in love or anything.
Aristus
(66,409 posts)then there's no danger of Trump ever losing their votes.
We're talking about people who possess no higher cognitive faculties beyond what is required to know the location of their beer stash and when Toby Keith will be on CMT.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)52% of white women from voting for him.
brush
(53,794 posts)the news that he cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn start and Playboy model wouldn't get out and cost him votes.
That's not hard to understand IMO.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)We have only to look into his NDAs and his taxes to find what Russia and China likely already know and are using against him/us.
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)And maybe there is a breaking point for values voters. Maybe Trump will have a type of sex they don't approve of or goes a step too far. You can always hope.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 23, 2018, 05:10 PM - Edit history (1)
Late breaking porn star news could have tipped the balance.
question everything
(47,488 posts)And welcome to DU
blake2012
(1,294 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)even if 5% of Evangelicals decided to stay home or vote Johnson if these stories came out before the election, it would have made a difference. Evangelicals support Trump by big numbers, but it was 81% of evangelicals that voted for him, not 100%
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I found the percentage of voters in each state that were evangelical, multiplied it by 2/3 because about 1/3 of evangelicals are not white and then and got the total evangelical voters. Michigan would have swung to Clinton if 5% of white evangelicals did not vote for Trump by about 30,000 votes instead of a 10,000 vote loss. Wisconsin would have gone to Clinton by a few hundred votes instead a loss by 22 or 23,000 votes. She still would have lost PA if it was 5% of white evangelicals by about 5,000 votes instead of 39,000 votes.
If it was 10% of white evangelicals, she would have won all three states and Florida. NC would have been a razor thin loss.
I didn't check every state.
blake2012
(1,294 posts)It definitely shows taken altogether, the underhanded methods peeled off enough votes from Clinton to swing this thing.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that a lot of little things added up to Trump winning - combine the suppression of the bribes to Daniels and the Playboy model, GOP voter suppression and micro targeting of minorities and single women, plus the leak of the Comey Letter, and I'm guessing that Clinton would have won an electoral landslide - Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, NC and Florida likely go to Clinton, and Georgia and Arizona are very narrow losses.
question everything
(47,488 posts)and would still get the votes.
Similarly, he could, and did, say that he could cheat on his wife, use unprotected sex, thus expose Melania to STD, grab women by their pussies and would still get the votes. And he did.
His supporters just wanted to flip a big finger in this country's face, still do.
One comment this afternoon was that by selecting Bolton he is getting ready for war.
And I believe this.
rainin
(3,011 posts)in the face and justify his behavior. Not everybody thinks this is ok.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...the similarities with numerous other claims by women against Trump, from allegations of inappropriate touching to rape.
I would respectfully suggest that your aversion to watching the coverage may have kept you from discerning the point of it all. I understand the frustration, but this is the POTUS, not just some game show host. These women have a right to be heard, and they're all restricted in some way from pursuing their complaints to their satisfaction by Trump, both as private citizen and now as president.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The vague references to threats afterwards are not factually clear enough to assume they were anything other than threats to enforce the agreement itself.
As far as generally "getting threats" after the case was filed, that happens to any media figure on any side of any media event. Avenatti has not alleged that persons associated with Cohen or Trump made the more recent threats, and quite obviously no one has reported these threats to relevant law enforcement, nor has there been a claim made in litigation against any person making such threats.
question everything
(47,488 posts)This point also has been mentioned again and again..
Is Anderson Cooper (I think) implying that there may be some more young Trumpians hidden someplace (shudder!)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, I guess the question is whether you want to imply that Daniels' lawyer is lying, if you want to go down that path.
question everything
(47,488 posts)That question was addressed to the playboy playmate..
He probably demanded that they be on the pill, or something, so that he would not be bothered with these annoying condoms..
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...I can't believe people are getting passes here for parsing these scandals for Trump.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)passed around illegally - if paying the stormy woman violates campaign finance rules - and threats of physical harm have been made - then hell yeah, lets get to the bottom of this fustercluck and put Cohen and the rest of the mobsters protecting xxx behind bars.
I realllllly dislike that guy, like, seriously.
I dont have any expectation that this actually affects xxx any kind of way, but Ill take Cohen and maybe Schiller and anyone else I can get - !!!
Hang tough, q!!
brush
(53,794 posts)and cost trump votes. The other woman's story was bought by a tabloid with promises to publish it but it was buried so that news would get out before the election either.
LeftInTX
(25,408 posts)Now, it's mostly gossip. He's in the WH and unless he broke some law, it's nothing but gossip. It won't do anything.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Been useful information to counter
" E M A I L S ".
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)For Raw Dogging a porn star.
TeamPooka
(24,230 posts)Squinch
(50,956 posts)But I'm sure Putin didn't.
blogslut
(38,004 posts)I'll say it again. Melania Trump, as first lady, has much more power in that marriage now. The case would be Diana v Charles x 100.
wishstar
(5,270 posts)I do not believe she would have publicly supported him doing that big interview, if these two women had told their stories in October 2016. She would have been too humiliated and all of the hypocritical accusations against Bill Clinton would have had less weight. She would have not wanted to answer questions if Trump's lengthy affairs with those two women had been exposed then.
He paid off Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal to keep them quiet after the Access Hollywood tape and the series of women alleging harassment came out and right before Melania agreed to do the interview with Anderson Cooper where she defended him.
Melania would have been too embarrassed and would not have agreed to that interview and would not have given such a strong statement about his accusers not telling the truth and that the Access Hollywood tape was just innocent "boys will be boys" locker room talk.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,869 posts)money laundering
or Russian hacking of our elections and the deliberate stealing of our elections
or every day bouts of lying
or awful name calling and public humiliation
or terrible office management
or high treason.
Day after day all that con artist, grifter stuff just gets so boring.
But a good sex scandal is just plain fun.
Vinca
(50,285 posts)fly zipped up when away from his wife. The fact that one woman is a porn star and another a Playboy model should be waking up the faux Christians who have somehow decided Don is the second coming. The real damage could be done by Summer Zervos, though. The court case is going forward and Dear Leader may now be called for a deposition. According to one legal expert, the questions during said deposition can be broad and could encompass things Mueller is interested in. The judge in that case also said that no one is above the law which seems to put the Orange Fuhrer in a tight spot when indictments start rolling his way.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)The one that looks like Ivanka or the one that reminds shitgibbon of his daughter? I guess like shitgibbon I get all three of them confused.