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Is Trump even dumber than George W Bush? (Original Post) milestogo Mar 2018 OP
Bigly dumber. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #1
Back when Dubya was prez Ohiogal Mar 2018 #2
Compared to Trump, W was classy and intelligent YessirAtsaFact Mar 2018 #7
I wholly agree davekriss Mar 2018 #12
Right there with you, Ohiogal. dchill Mar 2018 #26
Nyuk, nyuk ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #3
Bush could at least read uponit7771 Mar 2018 #4
True. He was able to read and ignore the "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" PDB LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2018 #51
Dubya was playing a role Cal Carpenter Mar 2018 #5
Yeah, Bush's thing was his fake good ol boy dawg day Mar 2018 #28
The current WH resident is President Dunning-Kruger misanthrope Mar 2018 #36
Yes. Bush was incurious and lazy, and probably could have been smarter The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #6
Thank you. You summed up the two men PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #22
Well, jazzcat23 Mar 2018 #40
Yes. Bush was smart enough to know he was/is an idiot JI7 Mar 2018 #8
I think Trump is dumber than George W. Bush and Dan Quayle. He is neck and neck with Sarah Palin. StevieM Mar 2018 #9
Nope, trump is far lower than Palin. JI7 Mar 2018 #14
Are you joking? Sarah knows a geography fact jberryhill Mar 2018 #23
Apt comparison misanthrope Mar 2018 #38
Been a dumbass since his Studio 54 days. Corgigal Mar 2018 #10
Yes, Trump is dumber and has less knowledge Hav Mar 2018 #11
A GWB positive trait... davekriss Mar 2018 #13
I think he also had more normal people around him. milestogo Mar 2018 #15
Well, even towards the end of his Presidency, he stopped listening to Cheney. Tatiana Mar 2018 #18
One is a war criminal, one is stupidly evil. nt Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #16
drumpf believes fighter jets are visually invisible. democratisphere Mar 2018 #17
Tey each are fairly good at one thing Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #19
Trump makes Bush look like Stephen Fucking Hawking. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #20
Yes. He's dumber than Jeb, and we found out that Jeb is NOT "the smart Bush"... JHB Mar 2018 #21
Yes trump is actually dumber than W Gothmog Mar 2018 #24
Bush was not strong enough. janx Mar 2018 #25
Bush was Dick Cheney's puppet; 45 is Putin's puppet. VOX Mar 2018 #27
Does a bear shit in the woods? He knows NOTHING. kysrsoze Mar 2018 #29
Of course blake2012 Mar 2018 #30
No. IluvPitties Mar 2018 #31
I hate to admit this but trixie2 Mar 2018 #32
Absolutely. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #33
Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle? A HERETIC I AM Mar 2018 #34
Yes Brad1800 Mar 2018 #35
His professor from Wharton said he was the stupidest student he ever had. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #43
I think this president is better at media manipulation sharedvalues Mar 2018 #37
I agree mvd Mar 2018 #42
You have to ask a question about that. Blue_true Mar 2018 #39
He would do little else but exact revenge against every breathing black person first, then Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #44
Glad you corrected yourself. Blue_true Mar 2018 #45
Trump is dumber than Dubya's toenail clippings. nt oasis Mar 2018 #41
Nailed it. Ilsa Mar 2018 #48
Right you are. Plus Bush was aware of his limitations and invited oasis Mar 2018 #50
Bush could read. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #46
Is water wet? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2018 #47
Although an idiot, Bush had actual experience in running a government dalton99a Mar 2018 #49
he's ignorant and mean. he revels in humiliating people. spanone Mar 2018 #52
Put it this way: I would bet my house that GWB could name the John Fante Mar 2018 #53
51. True. He was able to read and ignore the "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" PDB
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:25 PM
Mar 2018

That's more than Trump can do. I truly think he's illiterate.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
5. Dubya was playing a role
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 08:55 PM
Mar 2018

Not that I think he is a genius, don't get me wrong, but he knew how to play the game. He could navigate DC and play it right. Far more successful at it than Trump, although equally as soulless.

Trump doesn't even know how to fake it. He doesn't exist in the real world, and he has not a fucking clue how Washington works. He is stupid, arrogant, and probably deranged.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
28. Yeah, Bush's thing was his fake good ol boy
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:27 PM
Mar 2018

Hence the accent and the "ranch".

He also (I suspect) had a lot of neurological damage that started to show up in the second term. He was also incurious and not very interested in much beyond his reflexive right-winging, and he was easily led by Cheney (who wasn't dumb at all).

He was also pretty lazy, not physically, but emotionally. He probably could empathize, and did it on occasion, but generally didn't stir himself to care about other people or consider what they were feeling.

Trump isn't actually even capable of thought or caring, I bet. And he doesn't think there's anything lacking in him because of that. So he's more stupid because he's more arrogant-- in fact, he's probably the most arrogant person I've ever seen. And that makes him stupider than ever, because he can't even think about learning anything. He knows it all... or at least, all he knows is all he needs to know, so if he doesn't know anything, it's still enough for him.

Also, not that I'd ever praise Cheney and Rumsfeld, they were smart advisors-- evil, of course, but no one called them stupid. Trump goes for advisors who are as stupid as he is-- Gorka! And fake. They're all inauthentic in some essential.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
36. The current WH resident is President Dunning-Kruger
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:17 AM
Mar 2018

I think Dubya exhibited some of it himself but was just smart enough to defer to authority at times.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
6. Yes. Bush was incurious and lazy, and probably could have been smarter
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 08:58 PM
Mar 2018

if he'd bothered to try. But he'd been able to skate by all his life on his father's name and money so he never saw much need to know very much. Trump is similar in a way, in the sense that he also doesn't try to educate himself, but he's worse. He thinks he's smarter than everybody else. I think Bush knew he wasn't smarter than everybody else but it didn't bother him because those other people were doing most of the work for him. Trump, however, wants to run everything but he doesn't know how ignorant and inadequate he is. Where Bush was just lazy, Trump is downright malicious. Bush didn't go out of his way to be cruel, nasty and insulting, but Trump seems to really enjoy humiliating other people, including (and maybe especially) those who work for him.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
9. I think Trump is dumber than George W. Bush and Dan Quayle. He is neck and neck with Sarah Palin.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:02 PM
Mar 2018

And being about as stupid as Sarah Palin is pretty damn bad.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
23. Are you joking? Sarah knows a geography fact
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:03 PM
Mar 2018

For example, did you know that there are places in Alaska where you can actually SEE Russia.

And she called Putin "ugly".

So, she was a freaking Rhodes Scholar in geography and geopolitics next to this, this, this, this creature, this thing, this abomination which occupies the White House and has final say on our nation's security.

Palin is a god-damned genius next to this idiot.

She knows how to catch a fish! In a net! Fuck... Trump would starve to death if he was locked in a god-damned grocery store.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
10. Been a dumbass since his Studio 54 days.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:04 PM
Mar 2018

He just believed his on marketing, the rest of NYC thought he was a joke.

We still can't believe people believed any word he ever said. However, they hate NYC folks do they never asked us. Oh well, look like the fools you are.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
11. Yes, Trump is dumber and has less knowledge
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:04 PM
Mar 2018

Bush seemed to be more aware about his shortcomings. I also think that the consequences of his alcoholism played a role in potentially harming Bush's mental abilities.

davekriss

(4,618 posts)
13. A GWB positive trait...
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:07 PM
Mar 2018

...was that he listened to those around him. Unfortunately, those around him included the likes of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
15. I think he also had more normal people around him.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:11 PM
Mar 2018

Laura Bush and the daughters aren't my cup of tea, but they're a hell of a lot closer to normal than anyone in the Trump clan. I have seen people interviewed who were part of the Bush administration, and they are a lot closer to normal than anyone Trump has brought into the White House.

I can't compare Cheney to Pence, because they both terrify me. Cheney is openly terrifying and Pence - he is really a freak.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
18. Well, even towards the end of his Presidency, he stopped listening to Cheney.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:17 PM
Mar 2018

He refused to pardon that traitor Scooter Libby.

So, he was at least CAPABLE of some independent thought and critical thinking, even if he was too lazy to do it regularly.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. Trump makes Bush look like Stephen Fucking Hawking.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:53 PM
Mar 2018

There is no contest. Trump is by far the stupidest president to have ever occupied the White House. At least Bush could speak in complete sentences.

janx

(24,128 posts)
25. Bush was not strong enough.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:17 PM
Mar 2018

He allowed his advisers to dictate policy-->>Iraq War.

He was not an imbecile like Drumpf.

Two totally different human animals.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
27. Bush was Dick Cheney's puppet; 45 is Putin's puppet.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:24 PM
Mar 2018

Both puppeteers are murderous thieves. Putin, however, edges Cheney, as he's not saddled with the "restraints" of a democracy.

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
31. No.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 11:40 PM
Mar 2018

There's actually a very successful method to Trump's madness. Bush was just surrounded by evil neocons.

 

Brad1800

(2 posts)
35. Yes
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:17 AM
Mar 2018

Yes he is dumber.

Bush was what I call lazy rich boy stupid. He probably could have educated himself a little more but ahh, why bother. He knew he was born into a rich well connected family and would get by just fine in life with the minimum effort. And hell he was right. Just being rich and well connected took him all the way to the White House.

Trump is not only stupid but comes with some very dangerous mental conditions and personality traits that make him dangerous on a whole other level. I firmly believe that we as a country are in greater danger than we have been since the Cuban missile crisis.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
43. His professor from Wharton said he was the stupidest student he ever had.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:21 AM
Mar 2018

His only success in business is when he makes a deal to pay something, then the work is done and he doesnt pay.

But even that doesnt work for him ultimately as he goes broke all the time, without russian blood money he is homeless.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
37. I think this president is better at media manipulation
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:18 AM
Mar 2018

Bush was just dumb as a rock or more accurately, in way over his head and duped by the neocons and GOP billionaires.

Trump is actually good at being a wannabe autocrat and exploiting the media and bullying people. Those skills require some expertise.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
42. I agree
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 01:22 AM
Mar 2018

I think Trump is dumber in the overall sense. But he really sold his lies to gullible people. Fortunately I think enough will awaken for us to win next time, if he is still in office. But Bush never had those stand with him regardless people that Trump manipulated.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
39. You have to ask a question about that.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:20 AM
Mar 2018

Would not have guessed that I would see a President stupider than W in my lifetime, but low and behold. Tack on that Trump is a petty sob and we get a really bad situation for citizens.

I am willing to bet you dollars for donuts that if Trump personally found that one of us criticized him and he could get away with it, he would personally demand that the IRS audit us back 20 years (a period outside law), because he know that he could likely get away with that type of abuse of power.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
44. He would do little else but exact revenge against every breathing black person first, then
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 11:22 AM
Mar 2018

Muslim, then Latino, then all women then any white men who are liberals.

He doesnt have anything else in his walnut sized brain but revenge

WAIT what am I saying


peanut, not walnut

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
45. Glad you corrected yourself.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 12:56 PM
Mar 2018

When you wrote walnut sized brain, I went "damn, Trump is getting too much credit". Yes, it is peanut, a really tiny peanut.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
48. Nailed it.
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 02:50 PM
Mar 2018

W wanted to appear to be a regular guy you would want to drink a beer with, or go hotroddin' and racing at the one stoplight in town, then go smoke one and share a bag of Doritoes and a 6-pack. But he did go to an Ivy League school, even if it was as a legacy, and with slightly above average IQ, he probably did most of his own work (but not all, I bet).

Trump does not want too look like a regular guy, even though he is average in so many categories. He wants to be revered, worshipped, tended to, and treated like he kniws more and can do more than anyone. Total narcissist.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
50. Right you are. Plus Bush was aware of his limitations and invited
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 09:56 PM
Mar 2018

the input of his advisers. The mega-delusional Trump believes he has all the answers to everything.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
49. Although an idiot, Bush had actual experience in running a government
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 02:58 PM
Mar 2018

and he was not an open virulent white supremacist.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
53. Put it this way: I would bet my house that GWB could name the
Sat Mar 24, 2018, 10:29 PM
Mar 2018

the three branches of government without thinking twice. I wouldn't by five dollars that Trump could name them. Not only is he the dumbest politician I've ever seen, he's one of the dumbest celebrities in general. GWB was by far the smarter of the two.

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