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no_hypocrisy

(46,122 posts) Sat Mar 24, 2018, 06:59 AM Mar 2018

The Dreamers/DACA and the Federal Budget vote yesterday

DACA resolution was not included in the $1.3 trillion federal spending bill and even Trump mentioned it.

As any provision included AND excluded is never by accident, was DACA left out to remove any excuse for Trump to veto the bill? Specifically, if DACA and no funding for Trump's "wall" were the case for the spending bill, would that have allowed him to force the Government to shut down, blame the Democrats, get the funding, AND still deny DACA full citizenship?

I'm guessing this is the case as Trump made a statement that the Democrats "failed" to include DACA in the spending bill and I'm certain he doesn't care about their plight.

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The Dreamers/DACA and the Federal Budget vote yesterday (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Mar 2018 OP

Dems have calculated they're buying enough time in the courts for the Dreamers Arazi Mar 2018 #1

The Republicans are trying to hurt both the 11 million Hortensis Mar 2018 #2

The dreamers and the American people know duforsure Mar 2018 #3

Arazi

(6,829 posts)

1. Dems have calculated they're buying enough time in the courts for the Dreamers

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:16 AM

Mar 2018

And once they gain control of Congress in November they can design a bill to protect them.

Trumps comments that Republicans are the Dreamers biggest friends are a sham and everyone knows it, including the Dreamers. Trump has been presented with 4 bipartisan deals on DACA and has rejected them. Pressure continues to grow.

Trump really wants to deport them but that's massively unpopular. Dems are gambling on taking control of Congress, presenting a clean bill, and letting the Rs and Trump get exposed as the heartless fuckers we all know them to be. They'll have to either vote and pass a clean bill or not.

Right now the courts are protecting the Dreamers. It's a gamble but I don't think the Dems have a lot of leverage anyway so they're doing what they can with an eye to November

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

2. The Republicans are trying to hurt both the 11 million

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:21 AM

Mar 2018

immigrants living in our country and many who will need to come for just reasons in future. Not "just" the @690,000 in this program.

The real problem with DACA program, of course, is that it's become a huge political football. The Repubs have been offering cynical wink-wink deals that would allow Democratic leaders to reassure their voters they're protecting DACA immigrants while they'd actually be colluding in widespread harm. Every offer to reenact DACA by the Republicans has come with very heavy costs attached for all other immigrants, often including relatives of DACA recipients.

We've refused them all.

As to your question, the Republicans cannot reenact DACA without being able to show their voters some kick in the teeth to greater numbers of other immigrants, which we won't agree to. So DACA was kicked down the road again. Meanwhile, we Democrats leveraged the idiot-Repub's huge federal budget mess into getting other things passed that need to be done.

When we get control of congress in November, we will for sure take care of the DACA kids, if we haven't managed to do it before.

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duforsure

(11,885 posts)

3. The dreamers and the American people know

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2018, 07:28 AM

Mar 2018

Who represents them , and who doesn't. Trump started this attack on Dreamers and has rejected numerous offers from both parties to get it passed, but he refused. Now he held another PR event to claim others are to blame for their situation, when everyone knows it was he that caused their mess for them, not Democrats. He's desperate to look good lying about anything at this point.

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