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(17,111 posts)Bullying does play a part in school shootings in some cases. To totally dismiss this as a cause is short-sighted.
There are a lot of factors at play. Entitlement may be one but that alone does not cause them.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)if bullying caused school shootings, you would see trans shooters, queer shooters, female shooters, POC shooters.
Where are they? We have 50% females in schools but they don't make 50% of school shooters. GLBTQ students are bullied relentlessly, they aren't shooters. POC and adherents of minority religions are bullied (Sometimes by school administrators themselves), yet they aren't shooting schools up.
Why?
7962
(11,841 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)White boys aren't bullied? Bull.
lark
(23,105 posts)There is no dispute, however, that 100% of serial killers have been white males. Why do you think that is? I think it's a lot of messages that you have the right to retaliate and some, especially gun loving white parents, push this on their white sons. They like guns so ignore it when their kids get gun obsessed or worse they report them and police refuse to do anything.
Very good points.
Female serial killers
https://m.ranker.com/list/famous-female-serial-killers/reference
Black serial killers
https://m.ranker.com/list/black-serial-killers/ranker-crime
Why you may believe what you wrote...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201412/serial-killer-myth-6-they-are-all-white?amp=
lebkr
(39 posts)Talking about mass murderers
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)You might want to actually do some research. Mass shooters' races tend to be commensurate with their races in the population.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/oct/06/newsweek/are-white-males-responsible-more-mass-shootings-an/
For comparisons sake, Mother Jones' data show African-Americans accounted for 15 mass shootings, while Latinos and Asians were responsible for seven each. Three attacks were carried out by women, including one of the two perpetrators behind the 2015 San Bernardino shooting.
7962
(11,841 posts)The bullying is still the root with both
lebkr
(39 posts)No one is saying that. Just that it's not THE reason for shooters. This labeling allows us to turn away and not give this terrible act further consideration. (OK!! That's fixed!!) There will always be bullies/bullied, there will always be unstable people. Not everyone will turn to mass shooting for coping/making a statement in their lives. Like most things in life, there's no simple, uncomplicated answer/solution. Lets make a start by banning assault weapons and bump stocks and having universal background checks. How nice would that be?
Motownman78
(491 posts)One entrance into a school with metal detectors. Have a Resource Officer(s) behind some bullet-proof glass. These simple things would stop school mass shootings inside of school. How about we do that instead of banning certain items.
Hell, now the Parkland kids are complaining about wearing clear backpacks. Banning items (Like solid color backpacks) never solves the problem.
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boston bean
(36,221 posts)mass slaughter. There is basically one demographic that does this. Why?? Many people are bullied. Not just young white men.
Please try to comprehend the meaning.
7962
(11,841 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Parkland? That guy was just off his rocker.
How many times does the evidence show a history of bullying? A lot of times. Journals, statements by the shooter, statements by classmates of the shooter.
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)Never even considered it.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)and other bullying target groups are at about zero? Thus, there must be something else going on here.
treestar
(82,383 posts)If you are a minority, you at least can attribute it to that. If a white male, you end up attributing it to your self. Much more likely to make you react badly.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)Just that so are members of other groups, some of them more so; and they don't typically commit school shootings. Bullying has lots of bad consequences, for the victims and also for those who are allowed to bully; but school shootings are not an inevitable consequence.
Of course, neither bullying nor entitlement nor mental illness would be likely to cause school shootings if it weren't so easy for young people in the USA to get hold of guns.
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)White boys consider it. NRA and gun companies market towards reclaiming your manhood and feel empowered and liberated from your imaginary oppressors. Forget yoga and soy products. You can feel the testosterone rising just by looking at these ads. Makes you hungry for a nice big steak, well done with ketchup.
Doodley
(9,094 posts)who are more likely to be hotheads.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)You have to have a bullied child to understand the impact. All these groups have pretty tight peer groups Sometimes the bullies child has none. No excuse to shoot up a school, but a problem that really has to be addressed not dismissed like this post does.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)there's more to it than bullying. White male children subjected to bullying also have peer groups in most cases. At Columbine, it seems the peer group together perped the massacre.
dsc
(52,162 posts)Yes, it has gotten better, especially in those schools that have GSAs but a significant number of gay kids who are out are the only out kid or one of damn few out kids in their schools. And yes, that is hard. I am the only out teacher at my school and some days are rough for me as an adult who has a tight peer group in my personal life. I can only remember what it was like when I didn't have that back in the day.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)And you have a better understanding of whats going on. I have one daughter who was mercilessly bullied in high school, another who was a out lesbian. My lesbian daughter had a very strong core of friends, my bullied daughter not so much. The good news is they have both grown to be remarkable women.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)How many shooters have been football jocks, or heavy or popular at school. The kids that carry out the acts are small kids. Usually quiet kids. The kids that the bigger kids pick on.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)Quiet, studious, picked on people of color don't appear to perp mass shootings. Nor do gay kids. Or females in general, whether bullied or not. By a huge margin, it is a white, male phenomenon. Bullying may play a role, possibly a major role, but there's far, far more to it than that. A major portion could possibly be the culturally driven expectations of white males in this society and the associated feelings of entitlement. My personal opinion is, until we drag white male culture, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century of inclusiveness, this feeling of entitlement and the negative behaviors associated with it, will continue.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)From what I have read, only 22% of Americans own guns. Assault rifles are owned by a subset of that. However, of the 72 kids killed by guns since Parkland (undoubtedly more as of today) many were killed by hand guns. Just guessing from names and the few pictures that I saw, the racial and ethnic lines seemed to blur more. One can only imagine what some of these accounts would have looked like if there had been a different type of weapon available. Or looking on the bright side, what might have happened without hand guns easily available. There is an economic factor that runs parallel to us white guys.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Unfuckingbelievable.
Total right-wing tactic -- pit groups against one other, and some DUers are reccing it. LOL
paleotn
(17,931 posts)And problems must be identified before they are fixed.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)If not, you'll weaken the cause, and I'm *sure* that's not what you want, right?
paleotn
(17,931 posts)However, if the problem resides in a particular demographic, one to which I belong, we need to face that, figure out what's going wrong and address it. It's not degrading white males. It's saying we, as white males, have a problem and we've got to find a way to fix it.
7962
(11,841 posts)Why not? Convenient scapegoat. Avoids confronting reality.
And as you point out, the RW uses this tactic SO many times.
My stalker should be along shortly......
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Such bullshit.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)white males perpetrate mass shootings in overwhelming numbers. And not only in this country. It's undeniable, incontrovertible fact. We have a problem and it's got to be addressed. That, my friend, is reality. My point is not to divide, but focus on the problem.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)this simple.
Besides ... tweets ain't research.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)dlk
(11,569 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)They transfer anger, entitlement, or what have you into hot instant mass death.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)Saw a bumper sticker years ago (they'd probably get run off the road now):
Guns Don't Kill People - But They Sure Help
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Please forgive me I was born with white skin.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)But I remember bringing a knife to school to deal with some bullies. Luckily it never made it out of the locker.
Bullying can make some people want to reach for a weapon. It makes others want to commit suicide. I think there are many different reactions to bullying. And unless you experience it, you don't know how you will react.
And yes, some people are so much smarter than the average bear and would never consider picking up a semi automatic in revenge. And some aren't as stable and grab one of those easily available killing tools. Maybe it's more about availability then anything else.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Blame whitey is often the easy default for the problems of society.
Motownman78
(491 posts)But Parkland is in a wealthy neighborhood. I know a friend who lives there, he says the Privilege is palatable.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)Other countries have similar types of angry, hurting, mentally unstable, etc people but they don't have nearly as many mass shootings as we do.
IMO the answer is multifaceted and until we look at, accept and take action on ALL of those contributing factors we won't even come close to solving the mass murdering of children and others.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Is get white males to start by committing suicide as a response to bullying like other groups do and mass shootings will stop. Problem solved.
So much
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)... that causes the bullying?
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)In general:
The poor kids don't pick the rich kids
The nerds don't pick on the jocks
The shy girls don't pick on the cool girls
The chess team doesn't pick on the football players
The LGBT kids don't pick on the straight kids.
What the latter half all have in common, is they're the dominant culture and they feel a "right" to lord it over others
Would have written this in the first post but was my phone. Too much typing on that little screen.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)I think you hit the nail on the head.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Men overall have more testosterone and are thus more violent than women, and we live in a society where both men and women value the alpha male type. So disempowered young men (of all races) tend to act out in violence as a means to achieve 'respect' - this goes for school shooters, as well as gang violence etc that MoC tend more to fall into. And there have been high profile MoC school shooters (Cho, Eliot Rodger, etc).
Democrats never win by attacking young people, a crucial element of the party.
Alot of these kids have serious issues, combined with usually being raised in conservative households - it's up to Dems to stand up for the issues affecting these kids - instead of simply resorting to knee jerk narratives.