Your thumbs down to my post is rude. I certainly understand why many won't want to watch (had you actually read my post you would see that)

quite simply is one of the greatest actors of all time, period.

I also think Roseanne the person is so ditzy when it comes to politics, regardless of when you talk about as she has been on both side, that the last thing I care about in whether to watch or not is her belief in anything let alone politics.

Laurie Metcalf, and this is a universally shared opinion in the world of actors, is worth watching in "anything". An actor's actor.

I will tune in for that reason alone.

(did you see Laurie in Louis CK online show, Horace and Pete?, if not you must get it, episode 3 I think...if you are an actor or have an appreciation, you will be astonished)

I don't see how Roseanne Barr will allow Laurie to out shine her on Roseanne's own show. Laurie will not be allowed to get the last word. If I remember, she was cast as the ditzy sister in the original show, so I don't look forward to seeing her being used as a liberal punchbag for Roseanne's one liners.

I would prefer to see Roseanne have to deal with the return of her smart and liberal daughter, played by Sara Gilbert and her son-in-law played by Johnny Galecki. We'll call the pilot, The Big Bang vs The Deplorable.

Roseanne's.

I wont like any rightwing crap that is pushed by the show but I wouldnt miss Laurie in anything.

I despise and hate Tom Cruise but some of his movies I have to see, they are too good to miss.

I am still holding out and havent seen American Made, but I want to see it

By who? Pryor, Bruce, Rivers, Rock were great. Barr, not so much.
She was a fair stand up and did have a good TV show. But she was never great.

You dont have to like her but yes, the comedy world, the Comedy Store world, considered her and still do one of the all time greats.

I said one of, not the.

Only #38 here but for women top 4 I think, and if you were to ask the question 20 years ago she would be even higher, most now dont even know she did standup


https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/50-best-stand-up-comics-of-all-time-w464199/moms-mabley-w464231

Ask any professional comedian. This is about her stand-up which all but ended when she got the show over 30 years ago, in that short time she became the hottest comedian alive

when she was performing with people like Seinfeld and Kinison.
She just wasn't great. And I don't recall anyone saying she was.
And she should be nowhere on the "all time" list.

People can go on YouTube and judge for themselves.

Do you watch Young Sheldon?

Her daughter Zoe Perry has the role down to perfection.

I can't stand Roseanne due to her nauseating political views...so I will not watch.

I'll pass on this and all other things Roseanne Barr/Arnold or what ever her name is now.

It's where I read this: " I will only watch the reboot for John Goodman...". I confess to not being the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree but I'm convinced it means you'll be watching. So, knock yourself out.

are a deterrent to watching.

Next time I will post a simultaneous thread for those who ONLY want to register their anti-Barr disdain so that perhaps the actual thread won't get hijacked.

You can quit taking opposing viewpoints personally as if we were attacking you. That is not what is happening. Many people on this site, including myself, refuse to enrich Roseanne in any way whatsoever. If you really expect for everybody on this site to agree with you or to refrain from posting disagreement with your OP then you are in for a long life of disappointment.

Next time I WILL post a separate post for those who ONLY want to vent their disdain for Roseanne, so THE REST OF US can discuss aspects that might just be a little less simplistic.

The point of the post was to discuss a viewpoint/review from someone who is likewise very antithetical and opposed to Roseanne personally and her views.

No one on this thread likes nor agrees with Roseanne. That OUGHT to be a given instead of a reason to hijack the conversation. The latter is a desire for basic civil discourse not my own hypersensitivity. Plenty of posters on this thread have 1. managed to read the article; 2. managed a thoughtful critique of the article's premise; 3. managed to express their own disdain for Rossane's politics WITHOUT failing to address the points made by the article.

Surely you could do the same?

You postedand I responded on subject and you didn't like the answer so you took personal offense to it. Nowhere in any of my post did I call you a name, ridicule you, or even infer the slightest insult towards you. All I did was express my feelings on the subject in your post. I noticed you gave other people with similar responses the same treatment. You're just going to have to get over the fact that not everybody agrees with you and we will post those differing opinions.

I have called you no names. That is not truthful in the least.

We get it. You detest Rosanne and want to conflate anyone who mentions her name as somehow advocating for HER. Making accusations towards me is certainly easier than engaging in constructive discussion.

Not true, but we get it.

Without knowing whether they did or not. Just because they don't want to watch after reading the article doesn't mean they don't "get it" as you imply. I read the article and am still not interested in the show. We have a different opinion after doing so and that's ok.

You also implied that their responses were simplistic ("Next time I WILL post a separate post for those who ONLY want to vent their disdain for Roseanne, so THE REST OF US can discuss aspects that might just be a little less simplistic.&quot

Perhaps you could reevaluate some of your own posts before talking about others making accusations toward you. That might lead to the better discussion that you said you want.

ability to post a thoughtful discussion. That is all I am asking for. I don't care if people watch this or any other show and it is already a given that no one on DU is going to have anything but disdain for Roseanne. But that wasn't the purpose of the thread, as was made quite clear. Snippy and clearly angry subject line-only posts that ignore the starting premise that none of us like Rosanne, merely cut off discussion.

You and many others recognize that and thus post their thoughts in a considered post (even if they would never consider watching this show, detest Tom Arnold along with Roseanne, or hate that the show is coming back in any form). I thank you and others for doing so. That is what makes DU worthwhile, whether we agree with each other or not.

for Barr.

She grated on me toward the end of the original run in a big way. But I'd love to see what they do with the kids as they grew up and, as Arnold says, with Laurie Metcalf as Jackie. She's been great in everything she does and her daughter is fantastic in Young Sheldon.

and Darlene's gender-fluid child.

I'm a big fan or Sarah Chalke and what she did post-Roseanne with Scrubs and How I Met Your Mother.

Sarah Chalke is playing a different character.

Since she is a trump ass kisser I will NOT watch her show.

Such ridicule might be very effective.

It's a shame that folks aren't seeing the deeper picture here and instead are focusing on what an asshole Roseanne is.

Thanks anyway.

It has more to do with the crap that roseanne barr was pushing.

It wasn't just that she voted for trump but that she pushed conspiracy theories.

I will not give one second to some Alt-Right/4 Chan kook.

Some people here are very intolerant and not just towards our opposition.

As if anyone on that show gives a rat’s ass if some random posters on a random forum watch it or not.

Unless you’re hooked up to Nielsen, no one knows or cares what you’re watching anyway.

This has the potential of becoming a new "All in the Family" and anyone who said they could never watch a show with Archie Bunker's social/political outlook missed the whole point by a mile!

I bet a bunch of "good country people " will be tuning in - and will get an unexpected earful!

Hype for a show ever. I loved the original series and theres going to be some transition l
Problems including Dan being dead. It will be interesting for sure.

I have no interest in helping this person enrich herself.

I just never liked the show.

Same here.

I also never watched one episode of the first run of her show (I actually knew people who had the unfortunate circumstance of having to be around her who described what she was like, and so I never watched her), and for sure I won't be watching her now, especially since she pushed some of the more racist/wild conspiracy theories and supports a HOG like tRumputin who mocked a disabled person, is a racist POS, who doesn't CARE if people actually DIE if they don't have access to health care. He's a treasonous, raping/sexist/ self-described pussy-grabbing amoral asshole. I'll pass again on ever watching the Roseanne/James Wood tRumputin-supporting asshole crowd.

Arnold gave enough of the story away so maybe I won't give in to my curiosity and watch it.

I sure like Laurie Metcalf and Sara Gilbert as actors and may tune in just to see their performances. Metcalf was fantastic in "Lady Bird."

I think I quit watching the original the last 3 or 4 years. In my working days watching TV with kids etc was a luxury so I tried not to waste what little time I had. "Roseanne" became wasted time for me. I think I watched one show in the last 2 years and it was awful.

It will be recorded so I can watch a bit and see if it grabs me or not.

It's not her real beliefs, it was necessary to make the show work. She was planning it back then a year ago, or however long ago it was, when she first declared for Trump.

Though she jumped on Jimmy Kimmel-- when she was on his show-- and he was referring obliquely to his hope for an Early Trump departure from office. She literally squealed for him to "hush" asking him if he'd want Pence!

That surprised me, but clearly she's got some pretty mixed (though still bizarre and disgusting) views.

I think the show is going to go after her and her views.

That's what the show is about in part. Its the family arguing about politics and Trump and she's playing the Trump supporter. Somebody had to so she decided it would be her. Its all because of the show, its not what she really believes..

I actually did watch the original show occasionally, but eventually lost any interest. It was not until years later that I understood what bugged me about the show. The Roseanne character was put forth as "real America" in my opinion. It was different than the Archie Bunker character in "All in the Family" because he was much more of a caricature.
Every day we see posts on here in which we express disdain, amazement at how dumbed-down the country has become. Well, I think "Roseanne" was one of those shows that actually encouraged this to be an acceptable norm. It wasn't "Dukes of Hazzard" or "Beverly Hillbillies," which were basically comic strips....it was a show that portrayed being sort of uneducated, trashy and mouthy as normal. "Dumb and proud of it." It helped people to justify that it was okay.
Eventually I realized that while I liked many of the characters on the show, I really did not like Roseanne. Her Star Spangled Banner rendition was the icing on the cake. When I later discovered her character on the show was actually not as obnoxious as she is in real life, it was enlightening. To me she is just Sarah Palin without the looks.

way either.

sort of scholarly political exercise. Given today's politics, as well as Roseanne Barr's crass vulgarity and her long history of self glorifying stunts, I just can't force myself to give her show my time. I'm not especially keen on sitcoms and did not watch her earlier show, so there is even less interest in doing so now, although I do like John Goodman.

My mom who loved the original, says she’s interested to see it.( don’t worry she hates Donald) But I can’t get over the queasy feeling that they are gonna try and normalize Trumpism and paint everyone as sympathetic. It just doesn’t work for me at this point. Similar to what many have said about how it’s possible to forgive people who maybe voted for Trump but regret it , whereas if a person STILL supports Trump now it feels like a lost cause to listen to their bullshit woes and their ‘reasons’ for voting Trump. Because Roseanne still defends him via social media and posts Alex Jones conspiracy stuff I don’t see her allowing the writers to show her be made the fool on a show that bares her name. It might be petty of me , but at this point that might make me more likely to give the show a chance.

Even those who can't stand her. Roseanne always was the queen of shock publicity. Crazy as a fox...

IT means nothing to me so I doubt I'll watch the reboot.

she looks different on ads now though
Looks like she had a lot of work and gastric bypass per wiki

was a lot of great comedy on that show. Obviously I wasn't interested in seeing the reboot with what she's turned into...but seeing this blurb about the show has got me a little interested. I'm curious to hear from folks like you after you've seen it.

His coming on was the beginning of the end.

..... not me. I couldn't bear the thought that I had contributed IN ANY WAY to her "success" OR monetary gain. Love John Goodman and others on the show and must admit to being a little dismayed by the fact of their participation. Most of them don't NEED the money so it kind of makes me smh that anyone one of them would want to be involved.

But I won't.

...but didn't watch the "Rosanne" show and have no interest in it, now. Don't watch those shows anymore, anyway... last one I liked was "Third Rock from the Sun". I remember seeing Rosanne on talk shows... she was okay, but not a big favorite. The guy who played her husband was good in movies. She may be acting like a Trump fan - I thought the woman Victoria something from SNL was putting us on, but she wasn't...

in L.A. this weekend. A child was wandering by herself and Sara (who was standing right by us) asked her if she was lost. She said she was. One of the gals I was with was also talking to the child and before I knew it, my little group (four of us) and Sara and whoever she was with all walked this young girl over to some security people. I think Sara stayed with the child. She seemed really nice. She's so tiny!

always the best on the show... well, John Goodman, Sara Gilbert too, but I don't watch much tv anymore, so will probably skip it, but Tom Arnold wrote a nice piece here.

Good. Could be cathartic.

There's no bridging the divide between Trumpkins and the rest of us. I have one parent that adores everything Trump does, the other once asked for a Tupac poster for a birthday present...to affix to the backyard shooting range. This is what I deal with at family gatherings.

I'll watch it for Sara Gilbert, as Darlene's adolescent awkwardness and anger was relatable back in the day, and Laurie Metcalf and the pussy hat looks promising.

She's still not funny

Zero respect for the national anthem.

I would argue taking a knee is not even disrespectful at all.

I'm all for giving it a try mainly because of John Goodman. But if it doesn't shine up to expectations or feel somewhat like older season's from the 90s then I will probably not give it a try second time.

... or not. I find it hard to believe that Metcalf, Gilbert or Goodman would be on a show that glorifies or justifies Trump in any way. I know they’re actors, but I will still be surprised if it comes off as positive for Trump.

I was not a fan of the original. Saw perhaps 3 or 4 episodes. Never got it. Never really liked her as a comedian or actor. But I’ll probably tune in to this one just to see how it plays out.

I plan to watch just to see how they evolve the characters.

I will not be watching

than that DSB. I have no problem with our opinion, as it is already a GIVEN in the OP and the thread that NOBODY on DU likes/respects Roseanne.

I see from a description of the first episode in a politico article link someone upstream cited that the first episode will have Jackie (HRC supporter) giving it back to Roseanne, the only moron Trump supporter in the family. I think that just might be cathartic, especially if John Goodman's character or Sarah Gilbert's get into it to.

Just my thoughts. No, i don't like Roseanne. ok?

If the series is successful it will be seen as validation of Trump and her. Nothing I wrote should be construed as an attack on you.

Is some sitcom is a success, it is somehow a validation of the fuckface in chief?

Gimme a break.

can't believe people here defend her.

But why should the rest of us validate her and Trump ?

I hope her show is a bust.

Back to Ms. Barr... Maybe she likes David Dennison because he's just as loud and obnoxious as she is.

Have NO PLANS to watch this Drump Troll or the Show. Cannot wait for it to fail. Period!

Why should I knowingly fatten the wallet or purse of a Trump supporter ?

before forming an opinion. As it is, I don't watch TV (we don't have one). But I liked the show back 'in the day' and I'd be happy to hear how the different characters discuss/argue about the current political climate (from what I can see online, they do represent a diversity of opinion).

Who knows, it might be funny.

You know, at a job, to pay for bills, to help my nephew with a rare disease and to make sure he has a future, to pay for my own college tuition... I’m studying sociology (The kind of stuff Trumpers really hate too, the idea of being white, male, rich, etc. being socially constructed instead of some sort of insane thing about it being genetic or divinely-inspired superiority), and it pains me to say this, but I am also saving some of that money aside for the ‘others’ (In particular adherents of that religion Trump described as a “problem” and seeing the increasingly psychotic rhetoric aimed at the GLBTQ community), it’s one set of resources I hope I never have to use.

But everyone else is free to enjoy their festival where the only consequences of a sham election is plot points for a sit-com. Cheers!

WOW. what an ugly attack on your fellow Duers.

Take it out on Trumpsters... We are (nearly) all in very similar boats here. You might well be very surprised.

I see plenty of DUers sharing this opinion, just voicing it differently.

And there are people who DO deserve this scorn. Economic anxiety is not being able to pay all your bills and/or going to bed hungry. Trump supporters have reframed it as “I want to work but I don’t want to work alongside black people or Mexicans. Help me Trump!”

expose such hypocrisy. Disagree. Fine. But why are you attacking ME just for posting this and others who might consider watching. I am not your enemy. Other Duers who think there might be value in the show are not your enemy. I have the same struggles, as do most here. I get your anger but I focus it outward.

I can't stand Roseanne the real-life, loud-mouthed, Trump-supporting knucklehead, why would I want to watch a slightly fictionalized version of her?

No cable, no satellite, no broadcast.

I've missed television my own siblings have appeared in. (My sister is still union. Maybe you've seen her on TV.)



But here I am thinking there must be something special about this show since they got the original cast back. I can't disagree with Tom Arnold.

A large number of people behind the scenes, many of them "Hollywood Liberals," are working another day and that's a positive thing. Doesn't matter much to me what Roseanne's personal shtick is.

My youngest kid set me up with Netflix because he loves low and medium budget film and television. Netflix supports that. My kid wants to break into the business like his aunt, grandma, great grandma etc... and I think setting his parents up with a Netflix subscription was his way of keeping us involved... because mostly otherwise me and my wife just read books.

Alas, I washed out of the television business first as a little kid, despite my own grandma's best efforts, because I'd stare at important people as if they were interesting insects and ask many inappropriate autistic spectrum questions. Later I was going to be a television engineer, took two years of college toward that goal, but changed my major to biology, perhaps because there were so few women in engineering classes then.

I think they're trying too hard in a lot of ways, but it's not exactly a Trump-humping show.

And not just that she supported trump but was pushing some fucked up things.

Because of that people don't want to do anything which will enrich her.

...I can't stomach this blurring between entertainment and such a horrendous reality, especially since it features a raging trumpster.

and I was pretty damn dogmatic about it. I loved the original show. You have to admit it was pretty funny.

BUT ...my tv was on abc by default when I turned it on. Wasnt paying attention and suddenly I noticed the show was on (I know...a likely story, but its true). So I said to myself I’ll just watch a little bit out of curiousity. I got sucked in. I watched the whole thing, and I loved it. What I need more than ever is to laugh right now.

The reason I loved it? It is so everything Trump and trumpsters would hate. Its about diversity, anti-bigotry, and acceptance for who you are. Darlene’s son is maybe gender fluid, or confused about his gender...or just likes girls clothes. And Darlene and everyone is fine with that. DJ’s daughter is african american. Jackies political opinion is louder and more rational than Roseannes.

While I abhor roseanne’s politics, for the first time I can set politics aside and just take in her humor. I hate to say that I got sucked in, but I do think the writers did a fantastic job at balancing the political power struggle with humor and introducing modern day subjects.

Will I keep watching? As long as Jackie keeps “winning the argument” I will.

I just felt like Roseanne’s argument seemed like it was “but he promised this”...not really a good argument at all. And she threw in stupid jabs here and there. It remains to be seen if her trumpyism gets nasty or not. i doubt it. I dont think she has control over the show like she did with the original one (?). If abc has complete control, then you can pretty much count on her (the character) opinion being resisted. It really is rather tolerable. I didnt cringe or get aggravated, and thats really hard for me to not do!

i saw just a few minutes but DVR'd it for later. What I saw meshes with what you are describing and I think a lot of adamant "NOT GONNA WATCHERS" on this thread would be pleasantly surprised. Honestly, I didn't think they would let Rosanne's politics pass without being absolutely 'checked'. There'd be no humor in that.

Thanks for coming back to post!

I was distracted a few minutes a couple times, so want to see it again and um, “reassess”. If I change my mind I’ll repost.

But I’ll watch when I get back to civilization.

I wasn't even a fan of the original series. I wonder if Roseanne's Trump support is an episode in her mental illness. Whether it is or not, I won't excuse it.

Fantastic writing and amazing cast. Series set to record.

Have dinner with friends, read a book, beef up my Spanish vocab, go for a walk, reorder my sock drawer - I don’t watch a lot of tv to begin with, and this seems on the must-miss list

how arrogant of you to tell everyone else what to do.

Blue Collar American does not necessarily = Crass, Trump-loving bigots.

Including Roseanne Barr's show. Especially those who laud Trump, believe in Pizzagate and other CTs, and lie about HRC. She knows what a deplorable she is -- she spent a lot of time deleting years of tweets.

And, it is not "arrogant" to say so, nor to say that true progressives shouldn't financially support such a person, as your viewership does. She isn't even normally deplorable, like Tim Allen or Patricia Heaton. She is as evil as Bannon.

Enjoy watching her show.

who was an absolute savior for a lot of people (including a family member) in New Orleans after Katrina. He is one of the best men, best progressives, and best actors i know. The entire cast is progressive outside of Roseanne. And, the show made her look foolish for her views, had you watched.

Watch what you want, but I will NOT take the arrogance of some on this thread who accuse ANYONE of discussing the pros-v-cons of watching a GD tv show of somehow supporting Trump or Roseanne.

ENOUGH. NO ONE on this thread supports Rosanne. Take the unearned sanctimony elsewhere.

I thought if it was too pro trump I wouldn’t watch but it wasn’t like that at all.

I thought it started out kind of tame, I remember screaming matches 20 yrs ago.

To be a member here, lol.

For those who won't watch because of Barr's personal politics, I suggest you give this a chance. The storyline portrays a family with lost dreams and aspirations. Mom and dad (Barr and Goodman) begin the show rationing prescription drugs because of their age-related maladies.

Their children are barely getting by; Two of them are living with their parents. We hear Rosanne speaking for the deplorables, and expressing their fears and values.

Are we so biased in our bubble that we can't listen to their voices even in a comedy? Rosanne may be a deplorable, but she comes across as Archie Bunker to me. There are nuggets of comedy in our national crisis. I think Rosanne has found a few.

What I saw did not glorify the views of liberals or conservatives. It exploited the tension felt in every family. In the end, they show compassion and forgiveness for each other. This this is the staple of sitcom formulas. Real families don't work like "Father Knows Best". Many families look closer to the Connors.

Res ipsa loquitur:

I watched it and found it interesting. It did cover a lot of ground, as Tom Arnold said.

I've never been a fan of Roseanne Barr, and my opinion was reinforced when I heard her say on a talk show that she admonished one of her daughters for being upset on election night. She said she told her that everything could change in two years. What people like her don't get is that for some people Republican polices are a matter of life and death. The lives of some people are destroyed beyond repair by those policies.

I get really tired of people saying I shouldn't let politics upset me so much, and shouldn't let it get in the way of relationships. They just don't get it.