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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,212 posts) Wed Mar 28, 2018, 09:28 PM Mar 2018

Russian spy was poisoned by nerve agent on the door of his home in England: police

Russian former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a nerve toxin that had been left on the front door of their home in England, British counter-terrorism police said on Wednesday.

After the first known offensive use of a chemical weapon on European soil since World War Two, Britain blamed Russian President Vladimir Putin for the attempted assassination and the West has expelled around 130 Russian diplomats.

Russia has denied any involvement in the attack and has said it suspects the British secret services of using the Novichok nerve agent, which was developed by the Soviet military, to frame Russia and stoke anti-Russian hysteria.

"We believe the Skripals first came into contact with the nerve agent from their front door," said Dean Haydon, Britain's' senior national coordinator for counter terrorism policing.

"Specialists have identified the highest concentration of the nerve agent, to-date, as being on the front door of the address," Scotland Yard said in a statement.

Skripal and his 33-year-old daughter, Yulia, have been in a critical condition since being found unconscious on a public bench in the English city of Salisbury on March 4. A British judge has said they may have suffered permanent brain damage.

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Russian spy was poisoned by nerve agent on the door of his home in England: police (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2018 OP

I thought the news reported it was in the vents of their car. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2018 #1

I thought it was in a restaurant Skittles Mar 2018 #5

ok....that settles it. I happen to know... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2018 #7

I read it was in a gift GusBob Mar 2018 #6

The nature of the agent used must make it difficult Flaleftist Mar 2018 #9

Potential Putin targets moondust Mar 2018 #2

I can't seem to find any updates on their condition so that can't be good. nt Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #3

The two victims are on life support and probably will not survive BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #4

If you put poison on door, how can you be sure of killing both occupants of the house? FarCenter Mar 2018 #8

If coming in contact with it is enough to kill, Flaleftist Mar 2018 #10

If person A opens and holds the door for person B, then person B passes through quickly FarCenter Mar 2018 #11

If it is a very fine powder Flaleftist Mar 2018 #12

I was thinking the same thing. How on earth could someone apply the poison that Grammy23 Mar 2018 #13

Yea, I think somebody would have noticed a person in hazmat suit in a residential neighborhood, LisaL Mar 2018 #14

Tsk. They are as good as dead, aren't they? They were both comatose, now they are critical, and... Hekate Mar 2018 #15

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)

1. I thought the news reported it was in the vents of their car.

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Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:06 PM

Mar 2018

Skittles

(153,193 posts)

5. I thought it was in a restaurant

Reply to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:26 PM

Mar 2018

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)

7. ok....that settles it. I happen to know...

Reply to Skittles (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:07 PM

Mar 2018

It was Colonel Mustard with the candlestick.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)

6. I read it was in a gift

Reply to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:30 PM

Mar 2018

The daughter brought a gift over

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)

9. The nature of the agent used must make it difficult

Reply to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:16 PM

Mar 2018

to determine the source. It sounds like he gets everywhere. So they got it from the door, then it spread from them all over their car and then all over the restaurant. That’s some nasty stuff and Russia had to know it would affect a lot more people than their intended target.

moondust

(20,006 posts)

2. Potential Putin targets

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:17 PM

Mar 2018

should all have surveillance cameras on their properties. Maybe also use body cameras and/or dashboard cameras.

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)

3. I can't seem to find any updates on their condition so that can't be good. nt

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Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

Mar 2018

BigmanPigman

(51,630 posts)

4. The two victims are on life support and probably will not survive

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

Mar 2018

the news reported last week. Their condition has not improved and their doctors said it will not. Basically they were murdered.

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)

8. If you put poison on door, how can you be sure of killing both occupants of the house?

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:13 PM

Mar 2018

This doesn't sound plausible.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)

10. If coming in contact with it is enough to kill,

Reply to FarCenter (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:20 PM

Mar 2018

then all it takes it to put some on the doorknob. Or maybe the agent is so light and so poisonous that if applied to the door it is floating around in the area surrounding the door and simply being close is enough to get poisoned.

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)

11. If person A opens and holds the door for person B, then person B passes through quickly

Reply to Flaleftist (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:26 PM

Mar 2018

And person B doesn't actually touch the door.

Also, was it applied to the inside of the door overnight so that they contacted it in the morning while leaving? Or was it on the outside and they contacted it when returning after the morning drive when their whereabouts seem to be not accounted for?

If it was on the outside, then probably only the one who locked the door would contact it when leaving?

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)

12. If it is a very fine powder

Reply to FarCenter (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:54 PM

Mar 2018

then physical contact might not be required. Simply opening the door could be enough to disturb the agent and get it onto their clothes or into the air for them to breathe. They say it is 8x more deadly than VX. I do wonder how it was applied without that person poisoning himself, if that is the case. It sounds like the kind of stuff you want to be wearing a hazmat suit for if you are anywhere near it. I’m just guessing, of course. I’m interested in reading more when they finish investigating.

Grammy23

(5,813 posts)

13. I was thinking the same thing. How on earth could someone apply the poison that

Reply to Flaleftist (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 29, 2018, 12:00 AM

Mar 2018

Is so deadly and not get exposure him or herself?? If they were in some kind of super duper hazmat suit, wouldn’t that be kind of noticeable?? Someone chime in who is knowledgeable about such things.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)

14. Yea, I think somebody would have noticed a person in hazmat suit in a residential neighborhood,

Reply to Grammy23 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 29, 2018, 12:05 AM

Mar 2018

applying poison to the door.

Hekate

(90,827 posts)

15. Tsk. They are as good as dead, aren't they? They were both comatose, now they are critical, and...

Reply to FarCenter (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 29, 2018, 12:25 AM

Mar 2018

...the brain damage is permanent. Life as they knew it is over.

And for anyone who wants to argue the case, consider that however long or short a time they have left to live in this debilitated condition, they will both know the reach of Vladimir Putin's vengeance, and will both fear the fate for any other member of their family.

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