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Cirque du So-What

(25,973 posts)
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 01:40 PM Apr 2018

Foxconn in Choppy Waters Over Plan to Drain the Great Lakes

The approval of a new factory just outside the Great Lakes Basin could mark the beginning of a manufacturing revitalization that relies on draining millions of gallons of water from the lakes.

It’s what Wisconsin’s government hopes for — and environmentalists fear.

If given the go-ahead by Wisconsin’s Department of Natural Resources, electronics manufacturer Foxconn Technology Group, which is based in Taiwan, would make liquid crystal displays, more commonly known as LCDs, in a factory just outside Racine, Wisconsin.

Wisconsin courted Foxconn hard. The state offered $3 billion in incentives and exempted the plant from the state’s wetlands regulations and an environmental impact review. In luring Foxconn, Wisconsin beat out many of its Great Lakes neighbors — Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania also vied for the plant.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
2. I don't know about FoxConn, but most Tech companies are among the most efficient water users in the
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 02:03 PM
Apr 2018

world, and the world includes households. If Foxconn installs the most modern processing equipment and abatement plants, most of the water will be returned to the lake, the only risk is nutrient and dissolved minerals adjustments if purified water does not have minerals and nutrients added before release back into the lake.

When done properly, modern manufacturing water use is not remotely like the past.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
3. "When done properly"
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

You mean, in the halcyon days before Trump and the GOP dismantled the EPA and put big business in charge of pollution control decisions, right?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. You make a good point.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:03 PM
Apr 2018

Companies made the water management improvements because they knew government was watching. But with Trump and his goons in office, Walker in Wisconsin and Great Lake states led by republican governors, there is no telling what corners Foxconn can cut if it takes that route. Trump, Walker and other GL republican governors will be gone soon, but if Foxconn is allowed to cut corners, it may hold the specter of job losses over the heads of future leaders that try to hold them responsible.

enough

(13,262 posts)
7. Given that the deal already allows them to ignore current environmental regulations,
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 04:13 PM
Apr 2018

it seems very unlikely that the operation of the plant will adhere to the highest standards of modern manufacturing.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. That is sad. My guess is there will be environmental consequences that go into the
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:05 PM
Apr 2018

hundreds of billions down the road.

Initech

(100,102 posts)
14. Foxconn is everything soulless and wrong with the world in one company.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:32 PM
Apr 2018

Human rights abuses, toxic pollution, workplace suicides, polluting the water supply does not surprise me.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. Companies have learned and will learn that not doing it right is even more expensive.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:59 PM
Apr 2018

Look at what happened to asbestos and fiberglass suppliers that knew about risk and didn't take adequate measures to protect workers. The only industries that have escaped payback are oil and coal, but coal companies are running out of the spare cash needed to payoff republican politicians.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Well, no one could see THIS coming.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 03:58 PM
Apr 2018


Much of the nation is running out of fresh water, and it's going to become much worse. Ultrawealthy people have been buying up water rights all over. And the Great Lakes are one of the largest fresh water supplies on the planet.

This is the just the beginning. Wisconsinites should tell their neighbors. Once WI conservatives see the risk, it might get them just as excited as brown-skinned people in New Mexico.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. I have trained myself.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:13 PM
Apr 2018

To limit the amount of water that I use for shaving to two 8 ounce cups, the amount that I use to brush with to three 8 ounce cups. My shower is on 3-4 minutes for just a bath, 4-5 minutes for hair shampoo/bath. I am working to reduce the amount of water that I use in the kitchen daily to 1 gallon per day on average. It is truly sad the people like Trump and Walker does not recognize how dire the nation's water situation is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. We're originally from SoCal, and 9 years on and off,
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 06:38 PM
Apr 2018

but mostly on, of really severe drought in the decade before we moved to Georgia, plus more before that, have stuck. A droughtish PTSD that makes me always aware of emptying aquifers and dwindling rivers. And in Florida we purchased this MH on a marsh for winter with the specific notion that its well would provide water for the next decade, and more hopefully, no matter how the marsh level itself might drop. The Floridian aquifer comes to the surface here, many of the ponds actually sinkholes into the aquifer.

We turn the faucets off as soon as we can, and I tend to sneak over and surreptitiously turn off acquaintances' because wastefully running water distresses me. I gather significant information about the awareness and/or concern of people from how green their landscaping is. We have books about disappearing rivers and other fresh water issues in our bookcase, although to the best of my knowledge none of our guests have ever chosen to read them. My shower, at least, is longer than yours, but then I haven't yet gone to a southern old-lady short haircut. Maybe I should consider it a conservation cut.

I know where you're coming from.


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. The length of your hair should matter only for rinse out time.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 07:08 PM
Apr 2018

I do what I will term a water off shampoo. I wet my hair in about 10 seconds, apply the shampoo and shampoo with the water off. I am a guy, so my shampoo rinse is around a minute, maybe less, maybe a little more, depending on how my morning is going (I shampoo only during during morning baths, never before bedtime). My guess is that since you have long hair, you would need a minute to two minutes more to rinse your hair fully.

The timing on my shampoo and baths took a few days of practice when I first started it. I shampoo three times a week and bathe twice a day and feel much cleaner than with the old method.

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