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Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:09 PM Apr 2018

Watching the CBS evening news tonight, they reported on the "caravans"

They said there was no credible source for the notion of caravans, but that's what Trump was Tweeting about.

How hard would it have been for them to go with the fact that he got it from the source - Fox News.

The non-Fox media better wise the fuck up. Trump and Fox are out to KILL them. Don't tip toe around the insanity. REPORT it. No need to make anything up. No need to editorialize. Just report the facts as they are. Facts have no "side". They are what they are.

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Watching the CBS evening news tonight, they reported on the "caravans" (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 OP
Things like this really make me hate the corporate media. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2018 #1
I AGREE Ohiogal Apr 2018 #2
It's so much more EFFICIENT if mass media reports the fact that Fox is not a reliable news source... DemocracyMouse Apr 2018 #13
I often wonder if the non fox media will ever understand how mountain grammy Apr 2018 #3
Another DUer pointed to a group of Igel Apr 2018 #4
Why are they moving? DBoon Apr 2018 #5
It's a Dodge concreteblue Apr 2018 #15
It's this article oberliner Apr 2018 #6
Thank you! The non fox "news" stations need Cha Apr 2018 #7
There are only two explanations for this timidity. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #8
background on the situation in Honduras leading to the "caravan" arithia Apr 2018 #9
I don't think you should hesitate -at all - making this an OP. raven mad Apr 2018 #19
NBC Evening News murielm99 Apr 2018 #10
Thanks! I wish I saw that. Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #12
I just read my local CBS is Sinclair marlakay Apr 2018 #14
As I've been saying for years. TRUTH LEANS LEFT !!! vkkv Apr 2018 #11
K & R Duppers Apr 2018 #16
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Apr 2018 #17
ive given up tv , radio and print news years ago. AllaN01Bear Apr 2018 #18

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
1. Things like this really make me hate the corporate media.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:20 PM
Apr 2018

When Obama considered removing the Fox "news" Sewer from the WH press corps, because they make shit up, the actual news reporters took up for Fox and threatened a boycott. I didn't get it. They're supposed to be competitors, not allies. That made as much sense to me as it would if a grocery store banished Pepsi products from its shelves and Coke & 7-Up said 'no put the pepsi back'.

Now we have Fox on the front row and other crackpot rightists like Breitbart & the Blaze treated like serious actual journalists And they're still giving cover to the biggest liars in media.

Ohiogal

(32,015 posts)
2. I AGREE
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:24 PM
Apr 2018

I'm sick and tired of non Fox news outlets pussyfooting around trying to be polite. Report the facts! Tell everyone straight up that Trump gets his facts wrong! Call him out for perpetuating lies!

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
13. It's so much more EFFICIENT if mass media reports the fact that Fox is not a reliable news source...
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 11:19 PM
Apr 2018

So that I and MILLIONS of rational people don't have to explain it – repeatedly - to our dummer relatives.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
3. I often wonder if the non fox media will ever understand how
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:41 PM
Apr 2018

compromised they’ve become by corporate ownership, mergers and consolidations, and by the success of Fox News and right wing outlets. I’m curious as to how they’ll react to real government censorship with real consequences that I think is coming.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
4. Another DUer pointed to a group of
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:46 PM
Apr 2018

people, mostly Hondurans, heading up in what the organizers are calling a "caravan."

As good a candidate as any. Apparently it's Big News in some sectors.

When I read it, my first question was, "What does he mean by 'caravan'?" Until you figure out what he means, you don't know if there's a credible reason for using the word. Desert caravan? British RV? Group of vehicles, like a convoy? Group of travelers moving together for protection? A van?

Turns out it's likely the "group of travelers moving together for protection" meaning.

DBoon

(22,372 posts)
5. Why are they moving?
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:55 PM
Apr 2018

Why do they need the protection of a group?

Are they refugees due to failed US policies in Central America?

Do they need to move as a group because criminals and goon squads ("militias&quot would prey on them otherwise? Again, another failed US policy.

Cha

(297,332 posts)
7. Thank you! The non fox "news" stations need
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 09:57 PM
Apr 2018

to toughen up. They're being called "Fake news" by 45IQ and all his brainwashed soaked fans.

They were certainly are trying to kill them.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
8. There are only two explanations for this timidity.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 10:37 PM
Apr 2018

One, that they are afraid of being left out of the loop, WH-wise.

Two, that they are owned by members of the Billionaires Club and the owners have a lot of self-interest.

I imagine it's a combination of the two, but being left out of this shitshow's loop is nothing. They could just stay home and guess what's being said. has about the same chance of being true...maybe even more so.

arithia

(455 posts)
9. background on the situation in Honduras leading to the "caravan"
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 10:41 PM
Apr 2018

(((I hope this information can provide some background for people. I've included reference links for those who want to read more. If I get enough encouragement I will make this an OP, but due to my low post count I would rather just give permission for a more trusted poster to re-use this if they feel there is need for it.)))

To make a long story short, their election was stolen. The dictator in power is cracking down on political dissidents pointing out that it was a stolen election.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Honduras-Protests-Continue-Against-Hernandez-Re-Election-Detention-of-Political-Prisoners-20180329-0011.html

This is on top of the already widespread gang violence and the 66% of the population that lives in poverty. One in 5 Hondurans live on less than $1.90 US a day. There were 67 homicides for every 100k people in 2014. Most families do not have access to clean water.

https://www.proyectomirador.org/poverty-and-crime/one-poorest-most-vulnerable-countries-world

"As proof of state repression, the organizations cited the following numbers: 192 demonstrations repressed, 1,257 people detained, 38 deaths, 76 victims of torture, 393 wounded in protests, 105 displaced due to violence, 15 journalists attacked, and 73 people victims of threats."

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Honduras-Human-Rights-Groups-Condemn-Power-Grab-State-Violence-Amid-US-Envoy-Visit-20180227-0011.html

This is only a country of a little over 9 million people. New f*cking Jersey is a little over 9 million people. When 1k+ people are being detained, there is something seriously wrong.

The people Fox/Trump is trying to demonize and scare Americans over are traveling in a large group towards the border for safety purposes and to draw attention to the migrant plight. They don't want to be robbed, raped or killed, so they are traveling in packs of 10-15 and collapsing into a main body for safety purposes. The vast majority (80%) of the group are Honduran. The vast majority of the people are seeking asylum. They know they are walking into the hands of ICE officials who will imprison them while their application is handled.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/04/trump-and-trolls-target-caravan-of-migrant-families/

How scared for your life do you have to be to cross Mexico on foot and walk into the open arms of incarceration? I would love to hear some of these asshole bigots screaming about immigrants answer that question for themselves.

I should note that tRump is debating sending even more Hondurans back to their native country who have been here for decades after a hurricane ravaged their homes. They will be sent home to die.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hondurans-limbo-salavadorans-wait-trump-tps-decision-article-1.3741539

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
19. I don't think you should hesitate -at all - making this an OP.
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 04:27 AM
Apr 2018

It's written deftly, has great referencing, and is easy to understand. I am mostly ignorant about Latin/South American economies, politics, and gestalt. I am saying if you post it as well written as this? I'll read.

Thank you.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
10. NBC Evening News
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 11:01 PM
Apr 2018

reported it honestly. They even showed the crawl across the bottom of the screen that used the word "caravans."

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
12. Thanks! I wish I saw that.
Sun Apr 1, 2018, 11:09 PM
Apr 2018

I usually watch CBS for local and national news and MSNBC for . . . . . what MSNBC shows.

AllaN01Bear

(18,273 posts)
18. ive given up tv , radio and print news years ago.
Mon Apr 2, 2018, 12:08 AM
Apr 2018

what caravans, what is caravans? do not know caravans.what caravans are we talking about?

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