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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:10 AM Apr 2018

City must pay $700K in Ten Commandments case

The city of Bloomfield, N.M., hopes to use online fundraising money to pay the $700,000 it owes from a lawsuit regarding the Ten Commandments monument that was formerly located outside of City Hall.

Because the courts ruled the monument violated the U.S. Constitution and represented a government endorsement of religion, the city must now pay the legal fees for the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the complaint in 2012 on behalf of two Bloomfield residents.

The nonprofit law firm Alliance Defending Freedom provided Bloomfield with "free" legal representation throughout the litigation process. City Manager Eric Strahl said Bloomfield had until June 30, 2021, to pay the $700,000 that it owes for the ACLU’s legal fees. Strahl said if the city is unable to raise money through donations, it will have to pay the sum out of its general fund.

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City must pay $700K in Ten Commandments case (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2018 OP
Ok, I'm laughing my butt off here! herding cats Apr 2018 #1
Seems like a rather expensive civics lesson for the town council Major Nikon Apr 2018 #2
A civics lesson that should never have been needed. SergeStorms Apr 2018 #3
True, and it's the taxpayers who ultimately pay that bill Major Nikon Apr 2018 #11
Why does litigation like this cost so damn much. democratisphere Apr 2018 #4
I think the city thought they could win, yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2018 #6
Nah, it's really pretty easy to figure out. Mariana Apr 2018 #8
This has been going on since 2007, when the monument was first proposed Tanuki Apr 2018 #9
It looks like they got hit with $200K in legal fees back in 2009? yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2018 #14
Highly trained and skilled professionals... Adrahil Apr 2018 #18
"the city must now pay the legal fees for the American Civil Liberties Union" geomon666 Apr 2018 #5
The City has only itself to blame. J_William_Ryan Apr 2018 #7
I hope that the go fund me Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #10
I disagree. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #20
Your suggestion is a valid one Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #22
too bad the city council members can't be forced to pay out their own pockets... beachbum bob Apr 2018 #12
Maybe it would be better to figure out the cost for each taxpayer LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #13
On the cusp of the teacher walk-out OK passed "in God We Trust" bill Runningdawg Apr 2018 #15
I hope they get sued. SharonClark Apr 2018 #16
They always do - nearly every year Runningdawg Apr 2018 #17
I seriously doubt the ACLU would even attempt it Major Nikon Apr 2018 #21
Any members of the council still serving who made this expensive blunder? gratuitous Apr 2018 #19
Guess they got what they paid for with that "free" representation... petronius Apr 2018 #23

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
3. A civics lesson that should never have been needed.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 03:06 AM
Apr 2018

It's in the Constitution in black and white, Supreme Court cases have been fought, and lost, by the religious right. Did they somehow think that their city was immune from the laws of the country? Did they think that some divine intervention would protect them?

You're 100% correct, Major Nikon. It's a damned expensive lesson for Bloomfield, NM. If I lived there the people who brought this lawsuit forward would be looking for other employment.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. True, and it's the taxpayers who ultimately pay that bill
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 07:44 AM
Apr 2018

It's just a reminder that elections have consequences and when you knowingly vote for an asshole, you shouldn't be surprised when their assholery winds up hitting you in the pocketbook.

The problem is I suspect the people who voted for them aren't smart enough to figure those things out and are proud their elected officials overtly wipe their ass with the Constitution.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
6. I think the city thought they could win,
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 03:33 AM
Apr 2018

and kept fighting a losing battle, these cases are a slam dunk for the ACLU.

The cost has to be high to stop these religious nuts.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
8. Nah, it's really pretty easy to figure out.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 04:48 AM
Apr 2018

The bad guys are the ones who violated the the law in the first place.

The good guys are the ones who, to begin with, asked that the violation be remedied,

The bad guys said no.

The good guys sued.

The bad guys fought the suit tooth and nail, dragging it out for years, thereby forcing the good guys to rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in expenses.

The good guys are going to be compensated for those expenses, and rightly so.

This cost is entirely the fault of the unAmerican jackasses of the city government (and their supporters) who were determined to violate the law. Even though it is clearly illegal, they thought they'd figured out a loophole that would let them get away with using a public facility to promote their religion. They were wrong.

By the way, the price tag for this little adventure isn't only the $700,000. That's only what they must pay the ACLU. It doesn't include the city's legal expenses.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
9. This has been going on since 2007, when the monument was first proposed
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 06:27 AM
Apr 2018

and then erected despite protest and opposition, and went through multiple levels of litigation all the way to the Supreme Court, which refused to hear the case in 2017 in the city's bid to overturn the rulings against them. Here are a couple of brief articles about what happened.

https://www.aclu.org/news/10th-circuit-ruling-against-bloomfield-ten-commandment-monument-stands

https://www.aclu-nm.org/en/news/aclu-sues-bloomfield-display-10-commandments



As far as who the "bad guys" are, my money is on the Bloomfield city council and also the SCLC-designated hate group American Defense Fund (founded by Focus on the Family's James Dobson and others), who were shit-stirring in the early stages of this travesty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Defending_Freedom

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
14. It looks like they got hit with $200K in legal fees back in 2009?
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 08:49 AM
Apr 2018

As recently as 2009, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals—which governs New Mexico—ordered Haskell County, Oklahoma to remove a similar Ten Commandments monument from the county courthouse grounds, saying that a “reasonable observer” would conclude that the monument was an endorsement of religion. The county’s defense of the monument cost local taxpayers $200,000 in legal fees.

https://www.aclu-nm.org/en/news/aclu-sues-bloomfield-display-10-commandments

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. Highly trained and skilled professionals...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:30 PM
Apr 2018

Cost a lot of money...

The cost for a full time lawyer, plus benefits probably runs close to $250k a year(or more). That doesn’t include court costs and staff.

J_William_Ryan

(1,755 posts)
7. The City has only itself to blame.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 03:44 AM
Apr 2018

Establishment Clause jurisprudence is settled, accepted, and beyond dispute going back decades.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
10. I hope that the go fund me
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 07:16 AM
Apr 2018

Falls flat on its backside and the city gets to pay the whole thing out of the treasury. The taxpayers voted these clowns into office and they are responsible.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
20. I disagree.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:38 PM
Apr 2018

I hope the Go Fund Me draws in $700,000 that would otherwise have been donated to right-wing candidates. Come on, all you religious conservatives, standing up for the Lord is much more important!

Runningdawg

(4,522 posts)
17. They always do - nearly every year
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:20 PM
Apr 2018

and every session they do it again. Then they need a special session at $$$ day to pass a budget for which there will be no money to pay teachers or for the signs. This year they again added a $1 tax to cigarettes which last year was also struck down for being unconstitutional. A high school civics class (almost anywhere but OK since we don't have them) could govern better than our idiots.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
21. I seriously doubt the ACLU would even attempt it
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:18 PM
Apr 2018

"In God We Trust" has been the official US motto since it was passed in 1957 when the red scare demagogues convinced congress the godless communists were going to take over and the only thing standing in their way was the holy poltergeist. It's already been challenged a few times throughout the years, always unsuccessfully as the SCOTUS has ruled that through repetition, invoking the almighty doesn't constitute state sponsorship of religion even though that's exactly the intent of those who do it. Perhaps the ACLU will revive this issue at some point, but given the current narrow minded majority in the court, the effort would almost certainly be fruitless.

Ironically the motto replaced "E Pluribus Unum" which pretty much means the exact opposite.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. Any members of the council still serving who made this expensive blunder?
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:36 PM
Apr 2018

I'd like to think that the citizens of Bloomfield would have cashiered the lot of them for fucking up that badly and unnecessarily.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
23. Guess they got what they paid for with that "free" representation...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:27 PM
Apr 2018


Seems a bit unfair to make the ACLU wait until 2021, though - although I guess that eases the pain for the city/citizens...
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