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Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts) Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:44 AM Apr 2018

HBO's "VICE" goes out of it's way to paint the Clinton's as the problem

back to the super predator stuff.

Showing the juvenile system, etc.

I wanted to watch it because "Omar" or Michael K. Williams (The Wire) was the narrator, buy I wish I hadnt, the producers of the show went out of their way to make it about the Clinton's.

Just another day in the anti Clinton world we live in.

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HBO's "VICE" goes out of it's way to paint the Clinton's as the problem (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 OP

Good for ratings? BootinUp Apr 2018 #1

HBO doesnt need ratings. maveric Apr 2018 #10

Expect a LOT more of this. The battle for power is raging, Hortensis Apr 2018 #2

I think making it all about Hillary or Bernie is meant to divide us. Its time to stop it or.... marble falls Apr 2018 #3

Hope you are right, that ignoring it will work. Didnt last time, but maybe this time. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #5

Isn't that Bill Maher's project? DURHAM D Apr 2018 #4

He is one of the producers. This is that "we are above it all by not choosing sides" Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #6

deadly is not looking at facts. Power doesn't care what face it wears for the public. The republican JCanete Apr 2018 #7

Exactly, and I choose not to side with the Nazis. Initech Apr 2018 #23

Yep. That explains it n/t kcr Apr 2018 #21

I didn't see the broadcast, but if it didn't raise the concerns of oasis Apr 2018 #8

noticed that too KT2000 Apr 2018 #9

Sorry if this is being picky, but it's late, and I don't get it DFW Apr 2018 #11

Are you saying that the 1994 Crime Bill GaryCnf Apr 2018 #12

Sen. Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill you know. It was a different time. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #13

And if the whole world was about Sanders GaryCnf Apr 2018 #14

Regardless...it was voted on by many others...including Sanders. And he ran on being tough on crime. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #22

ANY chance to BASH Clintons... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #18

Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox is a 5% owner of Vice media continentalop2 Apr 2018 #15

I only wanted to see it because Michael's character "Omar" in "The Wire" is so Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #19

"Raised in the System"? sl8 Apr 2018 #16

Yes... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #17

He was fantastic in The Wire and Obama's favorite character. jalan48 Apr 2018 #20

BootinUp

(47,177 posts)

1. Good for ratings?

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:45 AM

Apr 2018

maveric

(16,445 posts)

10. HBO doesnt need ratings.

Reply to BootinUp (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:34 PM

Apr 2018

It’s paid subscription.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

2. Expect a LOT more of this. The battle for power is raging,

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:48 AM

Apr 2018

and agents of the dark-money class in all spheres have been activated.

Repubs in congress are not the only ones they're turning their screws on until they threaten to destroy. It's time for all who owe them to come through big time. Or else.

marble falls

(57,145 posts)

3. I think making it all about Hillary or Bernie is meant to divide us. Its time to stop it or....

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:49 AM

Apr 2018

ignore it, 2018 is upon us and if we can't get the election to turn out right all that bickering will have only helped the GOP.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)

5. Hope you are right, that ignoring it will work. Didnt last time, but maybe this time.

Reply to marble falls (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:53 AM

Apr 2018

Maxine is on Joy right now and Joy is trying to get her to explain, and she is, why having ONE more seat NO MATTER who is in that seat is EVERYTHING

Many dont get it still though

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)

4. Isn't that Bill Maher's project?

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:52 AM

Apr 2018

'nough said

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)

6. He is one of the producers. This is that "we are above it all by not choosing sides"

Reply to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:54 AM

Apr 2018

stuff, which is of course DEADLY now since one side are NAZIS

JCanete

(5,272 posts)

7. deadly is not looking at facts. Power doesn't care what face it wears for the public. The republican

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:02 PM

Apr 2018

party today doesn't exist by virtue of some fluke or aberration. It exists as a natural progression of the direction our country has taken in Republican years far more severely, but in democratic years as well. It can be argued that the Clintons had different challenges of the time, which I would agree with, and social media was not yet a real counter to vice-grip that corporate media had on information. But your solution to our problem is anything but.

Initech

(100,097 posts)

23. Exactly, and I choose not to side with the Nazis.

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 07:09 PM

Apr 2018

In fact, I will say fuck Nazis.

kcr

(15,318 posts)

21. Yep. That explains it n/t

Reply to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 04:19 PM

Apr 2018

oasis

(49,398 posts)

8. I didn't see the broadcast, but if it didn't raise the concerns of

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:02 PM

Apr 2018

the victims of the crimes, then it wouldn't be worth my time.

KT2000

(20,585 posts)

9. noticed that too

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:32 PM

Apr 2018

other than that part, I thought the show did a good expose.

DFW

(54,427 posts)

11. Sorry if this is being picky, but it's late, and I don't get it

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:50 PM

Apr 2018

"The Clinton's" what? Clinton's/Clintons' charisma? Clinton's/Clintons' accomplishments? Clinton's/Clintons' campaign?

Or is this a Republicanese plural? (Republicanese uses an apostrophe to from a plural, English does not)

The sooner we stop doing this, the sooner Republicans can no longer point to it and laugh at us (and they do).

Other than that, we don't get HBO (or any American TV) here, but I'm pretty sure I would agree with the rest of your post

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)

12. Are you saying that the 1994 Crime Bill

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 12:51 PM

Apr 2018

Did not directly lead to the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of young black males and the destruction of urban communities? Or are you saying it did but we shouldn't talk about it because it hurts someone's reputation?

How is this more important to our party's FUTURE than fighting to correct a bad policy?

Demsrule86

(68,632 posts)

13. Sen. Sanders voted for the 1994 crime bill you know. It was a different time.

Reply to GaryCnf (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:43 PM

Apr 2018

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)

14. And if the whole world was about Sanders

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 01:52 PM

Apr 2018

That would be an issue. Bill Clinton RAN on what would become the Crime Bill and he RAN on welfare reform. Trying to whitewash that, divert attention from that, or deny the devastation it caused just to prevent criticism of a particular political figure is not just idolatry, it will kill our party.

Demsrule86

(68,632 posts)

22. Regardless...it was voted on by many others...including Sanders. And he ran on being tough on crime.

Reply to GaryCnf (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 07:01 PM

Apr 2018

It was a different time and we were lucky Clinton managed to win...And the drugs laws are what have lead to mass incarceration.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)

18. ANY chance to BASH Clintons...

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:44 PM

Apr 2018

continentalop2

(29 posts)

15. Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox is a 5% owner of Vice media

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:34 PM

Apr 2018

And Vice co-founder Gavin McInnes is now the leader of a Nazi group called the Proud Boys. Vice has always been a libertarian right type of publication.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)

19. I only wanted to see it because Michael's character "Omar" in "The Wire" is so

Reply to continentalop2 (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:45 PM

Apr 2018

compelling, so believable, I wanted to see what he was like out of character.

Amazing actor

sl8

(13,851 posts)

16. "Raised in the System"?

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:42 PM

Apr 2018

Is this the show you're talking about?

http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/michael-k-williams-vice-hbo-documentary-interview.html

Michael K. Williams on His Emotional HBO Documentary Raised in the System
By Kevin Lincoln
April 5, 2018 4:55 pm

Michael K. Williams is one of Hollywood’s best character actors, and while his career ranges across genres and subject matter, he’s made a particularly strong impression in two shows: The Wire and The Night Of, which both took clinical, journalistic looks at the criminal-justice system. But even with those shows in mind, the documentary Williams has made for the sixth-season premiere of Vice on HBO is a revelation: a thorough, sophisticated, and emotional look at juvenile incarceration, Raised in the System shines a light on the heart of an American crisis. Ahead of its airing on Friday night, Vulture called Williams to talk about his personal connection to the issue, how a meeting with President Obama inspired the project, and the role that shows like The Night Of can play in highlighting social injustice.
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Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)

17. Yes...

Reply to sl8 (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 02:43 PM

Apr 2018