Hope other governors and mayors do this

as many of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from Indiana.

In fact this info should be collected in all the States.

Strict gun control laws in Chicago are woefully ineffective against the Indiana pipeline.

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Atlanta, NYC, LA, Seattle, NOLA, Dallas, Columbus...

Remember the old song "Big D, a, Double L, S"??? Don't remember where it came from, maybe the TV show "Dallas"!

It's been corrected

I used to go there all the time when I was attending Mizzou. Nice little piece of small town America.

https://www.mexicomissouri.net/

US bought weapons find their way south of the border too much. Anything we can do to help them fight this issue shows a genuine partnership between our governments. Unlike the bullshit idea of building a wall.

Gov. Murphy, I thank you.

I prefer offensive measures, planned and well executed to defensive postures. It is OK, by me, to live to fight another day. We do not need matyrs. imo

si se puede

(Includes source state, as well as many other statistics)

Firearms Trace Data - 2016
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/firearms-trace-data-2016

Especially the state breakdown of cities to avoid with high gun seizures.

is known as gun highway.

Virginia is the big supplier for the cities north of here.

I was told that back in the 90's Amtrak had a stop near the bridge over to Smithfield (lots of gun stores) and taxis would be lined to take people over and back on one day trips.

One of the biggest problems is lack of visibility and accountability. Name and shame all you want.

I suspect this is about the re-sale policies of many states and cities that resell confiscated guns back into the population, often to shady characters and dealers, from which they move right back into the criminal underworld.

of New Jersey!

Surreal to have good Dem gov in NJ. Wow!

It is illegal to buy any handgun across state lines, period.

Long guns purchased across state lines must be purchased from an FFL, and that FFL must complete a background check and must ensure that the sale is done in compliance with the laws of the buyers state of residence.

If NJ residents are crossing into other states and buying handguns, that’s a crime. If NJ residents are crossing into states and buying long guns that they can’t buy in NJ that is a crime. If people from other states are buying guns and taking them into NJ and selling them, that’s a crime.

There are already all the laws needed to stop this already on the books if he put his people to work enforcing what is there instead of engaging in publicity stunts.

I think that is his concern. Criminals bringing in the guns, not citizens.

In addition to any state laws that NJ may have, it’s a Federal Felony for anyone other than a licensed dealer to transfer ownership of any firearm across state lines.

If someone from PA brings a gun into NJ and sells it, gives it away, or otherwise transfers ownership then that’s a felony unless they go to a licensed FFL in NJ and have them do the transfer and background check.

The idea is to stem the movement of firearms from other states by shaming those states. Of course the flow of guns is illegal.

the mantra here is that states with stricter laws have higher murder rates, gun control is useless. Because my state has less restrictions on purchases it directly correlates on a lower murder rate. Which is not in the least bit true. NYC, despite having double the population as my state has half the murder rate. My state alone supplied over 350 guns to New York State that were seized in 2016. Those are just the guns that were used in crimes and traced back to point of purchase.

I added up 10 states that received guns from my state in 2016. It totaled 1,476.

Of course all of this is illegal. The shame comes in, in an effort to get these states to investigate and do something about the illegal activity in their own states that contributes to crimes in theirs.

Out of how many sold just that year in your state?

Without knowing what state you are in I can’t look it up specifically, but in 2016there were over 27,000,000 NICS checks done. Now, not all gun sales are captured in that number as while every NICS check is at least one gun sold there CBA be more than one gun sold per check and a lot of people like myself are exempt from the check. And then there are states thag use another system.

We can use a real cautious number and say at least 35,000,000 guns were sold or transferred in 2016. Once again since I don’t know your state I will just divide by 50 and get an estimate of 700,000 guns sold in your state in 2016.

Since you list your state as very “gun friendly” the real number is probably higher, but we will keep erring on the side of caution.

Ok, so 700,000 and you found 1,476 that year that ended up used in crimes in other states. So .2%.

Two tenths of one percent.

But, just because they were found in another state does not mean that they were there because of your states gun laws.

What percentage were stolen and ended up in crime scenes? What percentage crossed state lines legally because somebody moved? What percentage ended up in that other state in a perfectly legal manner?

So if we account for all that, the issue boils down to about 0.1% of guns sold in a year illegally divertered.

states shouldn't investigate illegal gun trafficking? Not big enough of a crime for them to bother? I don't get your point about this.

If I go to another state and kill someone while driving drunk, the state I live in will take away my license. The state that I did that in will most likely put me in jail. If I return to my state and refuse to go to trial, my state will arrest and extradite me.

The point is, states with loose gun laws have guns being sold on the black market to states with stricter gun laws. Which then are used in crimes. Nothing is done to curb this by the state where the original purchase was made.

You are looking at such a tiny fraction of a percentage of guns that get sold and end up crossing state lines to be used in crime that trying to blame the states they originated in is pretty baseless.

The Federal government has the authority and means to go after the people trafficking.

The state of NJ or any other worried about guns coming in does also on their end, and they can send any evidence of violations of Federal law to the BATFE.

Expecting other states to change their laws because a tiny fraction of guns sold there end up in other states illegally, when there are already existing laws that deal with the issue that are not fully enforced and no real effort is put into enforcement now is more than a bit disingenuous. It’s as if your real goal isn’t to stop the illegal trafficking of guns (because you are not calling for the existing laws to be enforced at all) but just using this as a new excuse to try and push more laws that will make life harder for all gun owners.

In addition to any state laws that NJ may have, it’s a Federal Felony for anyone other than a licensed dealer to transfer ownership of any firearm across state lines.

It just requires actually making enforcement of those laws a priority.

Universal background checks are a start. Red states fuck us all with their negligence.

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Because without registration we have no idea who owns guns.

recent protests? Or you’re pretending you didn’t know.
It CAN be done. The NRA is over.

I don't see any actual movement to actually turn those desires into laws.

First, when they are found at a crime scene you do a trace and see who the last buyer was and start with them. Build the case and the pattern and go after the people along every step. Make it well known every gun found in the wrong hands they will start at both directions- a trace to the last FFL it was sold at and pressure on the criminals found with it to give up where they got it and track it from that end too.

Make it well known anyone putting guns in the wrong hands will be found and prosecuted, aggressively, and make the would-be traffickers realize the profits are not worth the risk with the higher level of enforcement.

Second, you set up active units who are going after the people trafficking these guns, catching the ones doing it by building intelligence on them and catching them in the act.

Yeah, if you don’t look for them then you don’t find them until it’s too late.

That’s a hugely expensive and astronomical undertaking.

Even Canada gave up on trying it.

Not only that, but for the huge amount of money that would take for the minimal results you would get in return, you could accomplish so much more toward the goal of reducing violence if you put that same effort and funding toward much more realistic and effective ways to combat violence.

So, not only is that an unrealistic goal, if you could do it the idea would still be a poor and stupid choice to focus all your energy.

People assume anyone thinks it can happen at the snap of the fingers or be 100% fool prooof - that’s kinda ignorant to imagine.

If you're not thrilled with your local Democrat, understand that it still makes a difference who holds power.

He's turning out to be something of a kick A Gov.

This is nice to see in my native state. Thumbs up for Governor Murphy.

more governors and mayors doing this.. now!

From the article in the OP:

"He noted that in 80 percent of the 485 gun deaths in his state in 2016, the gun came from out of state."

What Gov. Murphy actually said:

"but Murphy said roughly 80 percent of the guns used in New Jersey crimes come from outside the state."

"There were 485 gun deaths in New Jersey in 2016, Murphy said."

http://observer.com/2018/04/phil-murphy-public-reports-new-jersey-gun-violence/

"Murphy said the action was driven by “two disturbing facts”: There were nearly 500 gun deaths in New Jersey in 2016, and 80 percent of gun crimes here are committed with a gun obtained out of state."

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/crime/gov-murphy-signs-order-to-release-n-j-gun-violence/article_5f08df9b-dc9e-5186-bdaf-d136df69967a.html

Reading the article in the OP, one would get the impression that 80% of gun deaths in New Jersey in 2016 were caused by guns from out of state but that's not what he actually said if one reads more reputable sources.

Here is a link to the 2016 ATF Firearms Tracing report for New Jersey:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/2016tracestatsnewjerseypdf/download

If I'm reading the chart correctly, in 56 homicides (gun deaths) in New Jersey in the year 2016 was the gun able to be traced.