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highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:34 PM Apr 2018

Supposedly "well built" Trump Tower IS NOT SPRINKLERED on upper, residence floors

See these tweets, each with video clips, from NY journalists:















Longer video clip with that second tweet, which shows FDNY Commissioner Dan Nigro responding to a question from the press about Trump's tweet bragging that the tower is "well built":


Is Trump Tower, per this @realDonaldTrump tweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982750459877380096?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet …), “well built”? @FDNY Commissioner Dan Nigro: “It’s a well-built building...The upper floors, which are residence floors, are not sprinklered, but the building sure stood up quite well.” – at Trump Tower



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Editing to direct people to reply 6 below (a response to reply 2), which explains how Trump got away with NOT having sprinklers there.
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Supposedly "well built" Trump Tower IS NOT SPRINKLERED on upper, residence floors (Original Post) highplainsdem Apr 2018 OP
So he's been paying fines every year? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #1
No. See reply 6 for the explanation. highplainsdem Apr 2018 #17
WHAT! No laws for fire safety? Sprinklers are not mandatory in all high rise buildings? The Wielding Truth Apr 2018 #2
I am pretty sure it's a code violation marylandblue Apr 2018 #3
This is beyond unacceptable ailsagirl Apr 2018 #4
What I read somewhere is the law requiring sprinklers didn't happen till years pnwmom Apr 2018 #12
Unfortunately not in NY - Tower was built before they were mandated. Would be mandated IF highplainsdem Apr 2018 #6
"...if the building undergoes significant renovations. This is what must be checked! The Wielding Truth Apr 2018 #9
Only if the goal is "gotcha" and Igel Apr 2018 #11
Yes, the goal is "gotcha". Trump is an irresponsible jerk and someone died and many were injured! The Wielding Truth Apr 2018 #14
To be fair, while he may be a selfish SOB, he was far from alone regarding this... Princess Turandot Apr 2018 #20
I'm reading on DU Danascot Apr 2018 #36
who did trump payoff to avoid sprinklers...or is that optional in new york city? spanone Apr 2018 #5
Optional in a building that old. See reply 6. highplainsdem Apr 2018 #8
well, that explains why a man is dead. spanone Apr 2018 #10
Optional when Drumpf Tower was built Julian Englis Apr 2018 #13
His building was considered a small business for purposes of 9-11 relief money. #ConMan Trust Buster Apr 2018 #7
tRump doesn't give a shit if someone dies ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #15
Exactly. highplainsdem Apr 2018 #18
"Enjoy gambling with your life in Ye Olde Deathtrap Tower Casino! struggle4progress Apr 2018 #16
"but the building sure stood up quite well", not counting the uncontrolled fire. procon Apr 2018 #19
I've seen tweets saying there's smoke damage up to the penthouse where Trump lives, and water damage highplainsdem Apr 2018 #21
Wasn't that mandatory for NY high-rises in 1980 already? sandensea Apr 2018 #22
No. See reply 6. highplainsdem Apr 2018 #23
I see. Thanks. sandensea Apr 2018 #25
For that much dough torius Apr 2018 #24
More needless regulation. SCVDem Apr 2018 #26
I thought it would be easier to answer this question that it is proving to be. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #27
See reply 6 for the details of why the tower wasn't required to have sprinklers. highplainsdem Apr 2018 #29
How do you get a mortgage & home owners insurance W/O sprinklers in a sky scraper? irisblue Apr 2018 #28
New ones require them. Older ones in NY don't require them to be installed unless highplainsdem Apr 2018 #31
My house was built in the mid 50s. irisblue Apr 2018 #32
Betcha trump won't be selling any more units there, nor will the current owners. The world knows... brush Apr 2018 #34
Rudy Giuilani saidsimplesimon Apr 2018 #30
Huh, that's odd, according to the Steele dossier snort Apr 2018 #33
... orangecrush Apr 2018 #35

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
4. This is beyond unacceptable
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:46 PM
Apr 2018

I am so fed up with that cretin I could explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
12. What I read somewhere is the law requiring sprinklers didn't happen till years
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:01 PM
Apr 2018

after the building was completed. And it only requires a building to add them during a major renovation.

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
6. Unfortunately not in NY - Tower was built before they were mandated. Would be mandated IF
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:50 PM
Apr 2018

those floors underwent major renovation, according to this article:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-cities-mandate-sprinklers-old-residential-towers

New York City requires older office buildings taller than 100 feet to install sprinkler systems. Residential high-rise buildings must install sprinkler systems if the building undergoes significant renovations, according to the city Department of Buildings.



So the residential floors aren't safe.

I'm sure Trump COULD have put sprinklers in when Trump Tower was built in 1983, but there was no law mandating sprinklers until 1999, according to this article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/07/trump-tower-fire-new-york-city/496553002/

New York City did not mandate sprinklers in every unit and common hallways of new residential buildings until March 1999 when then-Mayor Rudy Giulini signed council legislation. That was well after the opening of Trump Tower in February 1983.

The upper floors of Trump Tower, which are have 263 apartments, do not have sprinklers, Nigro told Spectrum News NY1, the 24-hour cable-TV news channel that serves New York's five boroughs.



But hearing about this reminded me of Trump's comments about water damage being "the worst" after Hurricane Harvey last summer:

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/tough-tough-tough-trump-compares-hurricane-to-his-apartment-buildings-because-water-damage-is-the-worst/

Not only is Trump cheap enough not to install sprinklers unless it's necessary, but he's probably told himself that damage from sprinklers going off accidentally or leaking might be worse than a fire.

Selfish SOB.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
11. Only if the goal is "gotcha" and
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:59 PM
Apr 2018

not understanding.

It's likely that there weren't any "significant" renovations, and the word "significant" is inadequately defined.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
14. Yes, the goal is "gotcha". Trump is an irresponsible jerk and someone died and many were injured!
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:07 PM
Apr 2018

Justice and following the law, so more people aren't killed is the goal.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
20. To be fair, while he may be a selfish SOB, he was far from alone regarding this...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:33 PM
Apr 2018

I've never actually seen sprinklers inside of a NYC apartment built before the 21st Century. I've seen them sometimes in common areas but not inside of an apartment itself. I live in a large multi-building housing complex in Manhattan that was built in the 1940's; we don't have sprinklers here.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
36. I'm reading on DU
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:05 PM
Apr 2018

that there was no fire alarm system either. Do you know if they also were not required?

spanone

(135,844 posts)
5. who did trump payoff to avoid sprinklers...or is that optional in new york city?
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 09:48 PM
Apr 2018

a man died in that fire.

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
16. "Enjoy gambling with your life in Ye Olde Deathtrap Tower Casino!
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:17 PM
Apr 2018

And be sure to try some of our newer products, like Environmental Protections B-Gone or Korean Nuclear War!"

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. "but the building sure stood up quite well", not counting the uncontrolled fire.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:28 PM
Apr 2018

Who who put themselves at risk by buying a "luxury" high rise apartment that lacked a basic fire sprinkler system?

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
21. I've seen tweets saying there's smoke damage up to the penthouse where Trump lives, and water damage
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:37 PM
Apr 2018

down to ground level. Don't have a link to an article confirming that yet.

sandensea

(21,638 posts)
22. Wasn't that mandatory for NY high-rises in 1980 already?
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:40 PM
Apr 2018

(the Dump Tower was built between '80 and '83).

And if so, how did they go all these years without being called on it!?

sandensea

(21,638 posts)
25. I see. Thanks.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:59 PM
Apr 2018

Developers probably kept the sprinkler regulations from being enacted as long they did.

Them, and the building contractors (bada-bing, bada-boom).

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
27. I thought it would be easier to answer this question that it is proving to be.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:09 PM
Apr 2018

I worked with fire alarm and fire suppression systems for some years, mainly inspecting new installations. It was a great job, really...IBEW rates, even though we didn't do installation. Halon discharge systems were my favourite, but you had to be protecting something pretty expensive to install something that sophisticated. But I digress.

I did this work in Vancouver and Victoria, BC, so my knowledge is not only dated (retired in the 80s), but not relevant to NY state or NYC. The only definitive information I found was that New Jersey has required full sprinkler coverage since 1977. I know New Jersey and NY are two different states, despite the "New" connection, but I find it hard to imagine that NYC codes would be less stringent than NJ's.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
28. How do you get a mortgage & home owners insurance W/O sprinklers in a sky scraper?
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:11 PM
Apr 2018

It seems that a "home inspection" would have caught those safety deficits.

highplainsdem

(49,001 posts)
31. New ones require them. Older ones in NY don't require them to be installed unless
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:14 PM
Apr 2018

there are major renovations (see reply 6).

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
32. My house was built in the mid 50s.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:23 PM
Apr 2018

I was not handing anyone that much money w/o an independent house inspection (the first house I liked, the inspector caught that the roof needed major repairs, those owners wouldn't do the work or give me a discount, so I passed.)
Is it not usual & customary for an independent inspector to evaluate the property in skyscrapers or tall bldgs? The mortgage company did a cursory inspection & asked for hand rails on the porches.

brush

(53,785 posts)
34. Betcha trump won't be selling any more units there, nor will the current owners. The world knows...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:28 PM
Apr 2018

now the residential floors at the top of the building can be a fire trap.


Boo hoo. Poor trump.

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