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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSupposedly "well built" Trump Tower IS NOT SPRINKLERED on upper, residence floors
See these tweets, each with video clips, from NY journalists:
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Longer video clip with that second tweet, which shows FDNY Commissioner Dan Nigro responding to a question from the press about Trump's tweet bragging that the tower is "well built":
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Editing to direct people to reply 6 below (a response to reply 2), which explains how Trump got away with NOT having sprinklers there.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And there was a bribe paid at some point.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)I am so fed up with that cretin I could explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)after the building was completed. And it only requires a building to add them during a major renovation.
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)those floors underwent major renovation, according to this article:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-cities-mandate-sprinklers-old-residential-towers
So the residential floors aren't safe.
I'm sure Trump COULD have put sprinklers in when Trump Tower was built in 1983, but there was no law mandating sprinklers until 1999, according to this article:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/07/trump-tower-fire-new-york-city/496553002/
The upper floors of Trump Tower, which are have 263 apartments, do not have sprinklers, Nigro told Spectrum News NY1, the 24-hour cable-TV news channel that serves New York's five boroughs.
But hearing about this reminded me of Trump's comments about water damage being "the worst" after Hurricane Harvey last summer:
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/tough-tough-tough-trump-compares-hurricane-to-his-apartment-buildings-because-water-damage-is-the-worst/
Not only is Trump cheap enough not to install sprinklers unless it's necessary, but he's probably told himself that damage from sprinklers going off accidentally or leaking might be worse than a fire.
Selfish SOB.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Igel
(35,317 posts)not understanding.
It's likely that there weren't any "significant" renovations, and the word "significant" is inadequately defined.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Justice and following the law, so more people aren't killed is the goal.
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)I've never actually seen sprinklers inside of a NYC apartment built before the 21st Century. I've seen them sometimes in common areas but not inside of an apartment itself. I live in a large multi-building housing complex in Manhattan that was built in the 1940's; we don't have sprinklers here.
Danascot
(4,690 posts)that there was no fire alarm system either. Do you know if they also were not required?
spanone
(135,844 posts)a man died in that fire.
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Adding sprinklers costs money.
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)struggle4progress
(118,293 posts)And be sure to try some of our newer products, like Environmental Protections B-Gone or Korean Nuclear War!"
procon
(15,805 posts)Who who put themselves at risk by buying a "luxury" high rise apartment that lacked a basic fire sprinkler system?
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)down to ground level. Don't have a link to an article confirming that yet.
sandensea
(21,638 posts)(the Dump Tower was built between '80 and '83).
And if so, how did they go all these years without being called on it!?
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)sandensea
(21,638 posts)Developers probably kept the sprinkler regulations from being enacted as long they did.
Them, and the building contractors (bada-bing, bada-boom).
torius
(1,652 posts)those residents should get sprinkler systems even if NOT mandated.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Profit uber alles!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)I worked with fire alarm and fire suppression systems for some years, mainly inspecting new installations. It was a great job, really...IBEW rates, even though we didn't do installation. Halon discharge systems were my favourite, but you had to be protecting something pretty expensive to install something that sophisticated. But I digress.
I did this work in Vancouver and Victoria, BC, so my knowledge is not only dated (retired in the 80s), but not relevant to NY state or NYC. The only definitive information I found was that New Jersey has required full sprinkler coverage since 1977. I know New Jersey and NY are two different states, despite the "New" connection, but I find it hard to imagine that NYC codes would be less stringent than NJ's.
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)irisblue
(32,980 posts)It seems that a "home inspection" would have caught those safety deficits.
highplainsdem
(49,001 posts)there are major renovations (see reply 6).
irisblue
(32,980 posts)I was not handing anyone that much money w/o an independent house inspection (the first house I liked, the inspector caught that the roof needed major repairs, those owners wouldn't do the work or give me a discount, so I passed.)
Is it not usual & customary for an independent inspector to evaluate the property in skyscrapers or tall bldgs? The mortgage company did a cursory inspection & asked for hand rails on the porches.
brush
(53,785 posts)now the residential floors at the top of the building can be a fire trap.
Boo hoo. Poor trump.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)a scourge on the reputation of all that I love about NYC.
snort
(2,334 posts)Trump's really into sprinklers.