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Trump just might be the Anti-Christ. At a minimum, he's a fool and no man of God.
Quit equating King David with Trump. If I hear one more idiot comparing Trump to David I am going to Lise it.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Trump and Melania?
That type of comparison?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)It's the new evangelical talking point.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Do you have a link?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)You will be amazed
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I was. So is Stormy Daniels to be the Bathsheba? That is some camel to lead through a very narrow gate in Jerusalem.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,356 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They found the stone with his inscription
edhopper
(33,584 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:16 AM - Edit history (1)
but it is far-fetched to think any of the Bible stories are true.
Any more than Ramses being real makes the Exodus story true.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)For years they said Pilate was a myth, then they uncovered his tablet. Oooops.
If you do some research, you will find that a lot of the biblical stories have some physical evidence of truth, even the Smithsonian printed an article not too long ago stating the Tower if Babbel probably existed.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)since he was mentioned in various historical Roman texts.
And I am not saying there were not rulers in Judea named david or Solomom. I am saying the Bible stories of them can't be looked at as true.
As for the Tower.
We have evidence of a structure built around 600 BC as evidence for a story that takes place around 2000 BC in the Bible?
That the Babylonians of that time built large Ziggurats (this is pretty well known) does not make the Bible true.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Catholics/Orthodox have NEVER believed on a literal translation of the Bible, but have seen it as parables to teach, so from a Catholic perspective, they are "true" in that sense.
Protestants take every written word as true, Sola Scriptura.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)true philosophically is quite different than true historically.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)A lot of Catholics realize the time frame in the gospels probably are too tight. Most shrug and say "What does it matter? Maybe it actually took a week? It's irrelevant."
Protestants will go out of their way to PROVE that it happened in about 18 hours.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)with a person who could not accept that the Gospel Matthew was not written but the apostle Matthew.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They readily acknowledge they were written decades later
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Discovery of official clay seals support existence of biblical kings David and Solomon, archaeologists say
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/12/141216100433.htm
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:45 AM - Edit history (2)
That's a lot of physical evidence for such an ancient person
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I am convinced.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...commemorating their victory over "House of David" disagrees with you.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)I saw people jokingly referring to David Hogg as King David (mostly in the David v Goliath sense) Where did you see people saying Trump was like King David?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Evangelicals are the modern Pharisees.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Explaining away why they shouldnt care about Stormy Daniels.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...with that said.
The Lord called him as one of his own heart. But prophet, no. Nathaniel would not have had to intervene in his "escapades" if he was a prophet.
King David committed grave crimes, but begged for forgiveness and accepted any punishment that came with it.
Evangelicals however, want to return to the dark ages, where leaders were "anointed by God" and excused of all punishment, unlike King David, thus rebelling against them was against God, thus the punishment was death. And in some cases, the ruler was divine, an even further "heresy". And its ironic, David was the leader of a rebellion against King Saul, who was anointed by God. And Jesus, was against the sub-government of the Theocratic Temple...by Evangelicals own definition, Jesus was a criminal.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)"They have numbered all my bones"
David was certainly a prophet and he wrote many of the Psalms.
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me!
But that still doesn't make David a Prophet. Anybody warned or given foresight via a dream or divine intervention does not make them a prophet. It only means they have favor with God.
Likewise, to say God answers your prayers, means you have to accept the medium he communicates with you, but it still doesn't mean you are a prophet.
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Ok, as I was typing my response, I came to understand your point of view. So yeah, King David was a "prophet"...but not a direct one, I doubt he realized the significance of his psalms. I was viewing prophets in the more active sense and near term....that is, within the century.
In my view, King David was more a of a "witness" of what was to come rather than a prophet. But that's just my view.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The basic understanding of what a prophet actually was is almost universally misunderood
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)....in the "buff". Many of the OT prophets had nose piercings...those dang Portlandia hippies!
Prophecy has led many out of harms way, moved populations, healing when doctors were not available, etc.
But as it's written "no prophet is accepted in his hometown".
To me, Prophets are neither a King or bullfrog, but something in between. I think history preys on me on the King side, way too many European Monarchs declared as "Divine King" ..and thus, "holy leaders".
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The first part which was largely based on a historical person, Isaiah and deutero-Isaiah that was written by a school of Isaiah's followers.
More importantly none of the prophets in what Christians refer to as the "Old Testament" or the eschatological works of Daniel and the Book of Revelation have anything to do with predicting future events.
Their primary purpose is to warn the rulers that if they continue in their current trajectory that they will find themselves in ruin or after the ruin to explain why.
The fundamental arc of the Book of Isaiah is to explain that the promises that were made to the tribes of Israel were not for the sake of the Jews but rather so that the universal message of YHWH could be spread to the entire world. Israel, was to be the suffering servant.
Most of the Old and New Testament are 'crises' documents trying to reframe and explain to the followers why things are not going in the direction that people anticipated.
edhopper
(33,584 posts)Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
And a very good friend of mine.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)I think most would compare Trump to King George III. Or King Joffrey.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)I hadn't seen the comparison before, on DU or anywhere else.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Watch FOX ( if you can stomach it for awhile). It's not unique.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)... save yourself, Drahthaardogs, change the channel. That "news" will just wind you up.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Plays ALL DAY at work...
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)The comparison between Donald Trump and the mighty Samson is quite obvious.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)You know?
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Politics can be hijacked by religious types, but the problem is when people accept religion as true, at all.
If there was a guy named king david or not, that has nothing at all to do with american democracy, or at least it shouldn't.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Don't hijack my thread. Start your own if you cannot stay on topic.