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Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:13 PM Apr 2018

King David was a prophet, evangelicals are heretics, and

Trump just might be the Anti-Christ. At a minimum, he's a fool and no man of God.

Quit equating King David with Trump. If I hear one more idiot comparing Trump to David I am going to Lise it.

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King David was a prophet, evangelicals are heretics, and (Original Post) Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 OP
David and Bathsheba, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1
Yep. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #2
Amazing. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #4
Oh just Google it. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #6
I did. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #8
In all honesty, your post is the first time I've heard it. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #3
King David didn't exist, but OK. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #5
Um, you better check your biblical archaeology Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #7
yes edhopper Apr 2018 #15
Why is it far fetched? There is likely some truth and some embellishment. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #17
No, he was not thought a myth edhopper Apr 2018 #24
I suppose a lot of that depends on your point of view of the Bible Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #25
Yes edhopper Apr 2018 #26
I think a good way to look at it is the crucification Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #27
I just had a converstaion on another board edhopper Apr 2018 #28
Thus Catholic teaching that tradition is at least as important as Scripture Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #31
This might help: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #9
The Tel Dan as well Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #10
True. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #13
An old Hittite Stone... Xolodno Apr 2018 #16
Wait, whos equating Trump with King David? TDale313 Apr 2018 #11
Franklin Graham for one. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #12
Ahh. Got it. TDale313 Apr 2018 #14
I'll disagree with you that King David was a prophet... Xolodno Apr 2018 #18
"They have pierced by hands and my feet" Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #19
Why stop there...Psalm 22 Xolodno Apr 2018 #21
Right and next Isaiah was either a king or a bull frog. grantcart Apr 2018 #20
Isaiah prophesied... Xolodno Apr 2018 #22
First point, the Book of Isaiah spanned two generations and had two sets of authors grantcart Apr 2018 #23
No. no, no edhopper Apr 2018 #29
Who's equating Trump to David? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2018 #30
Billy Graham's son for one.. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #32
Ok, thats' one. The OP made it sound like many are making the comparison. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2018 #34
Oh they are. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #36
Watch FOX? THAT's your recommendation? Noooo ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2018 #37
Good advice, but sometimes you can't escape it. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #38
Here are some more. It's quite the talking points. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #39
It's a good think Stormy Daniels didn't cut Donald's hair JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2018 #41
I was think more like the serpent Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #42
Religion is just scanctified politics, not the other way around. lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #33
What the fuck does any of that have to do with my OP Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #35
There were both fans of keeping multiple wives and concubines oberliner Apr 2018 #40

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. I did.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:27 PM
Apr 2018

I was. So is Stormy Daniels to be the Bathsheba? That is some camel to lead through a very narrow gate in Jerusalem.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
15. yes
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:54 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:16 AM - Edit history (1)

but it is far-fetched to think any of the Bible stories are true.

Any more than Ramses being real makes the Exodus story true.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
17. Why is it far fetched? There is likely some truth and some embellishment.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:10 PM
Apr 2018

For years they said Pilate was a myth, then they uncovered his tablet. Oooops.

If you do some research, you will find that a lot of the biblical stories have some physical evidence of truth, even the Smithsonian printed an article not too long ago stating the Tower if Babbel probably existed.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
24. No, he was not thought a myth
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:27 AM
Apr 2018

since he was mentioned in various historical Roman texts.

And I am not saying there were not rulers in Judea named david or Solomom. I am saying the Bible stories of them can't be looked at as true.

As for the Tower.

We have evidence of a structure built around 600 BC as evidence for a story that takes place around 2000 BC in the Bible?

That the Babylonians of that time built large Ziggurats (this is pretty well known) does not make the Bible true.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
25. I suppose a lot of that depends on your point of view of the Bible
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:44 AM
Apr 2018

Catholics/Orthodox have NEVER believed on a literal translation of the Bible, but have seen it as parables to teach, so from a Catholic perspective, they are "true" in that sense.

Protestants take every written word as true, Sola Scriptura.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
27. I think a good way to look at it is the crucification
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:29 AM
Apr 2018

A lot of Catholics realize the time frame in the gospels probably are too tight. Most shrug and say "What does it matter? Maybe it actually took a week? It's irrelevant."

Protestants will go out of their way to PROVE that it happened in about 18 hours.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
28. I just had a converstaion on another board
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:18 PM
Apr 2018

with a person who could not accept that the Gospel Matthew was not written but the apostle Matthew.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
31. Thus Catholic teaching that tradition is at least as important as Scripture
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:20 PM
Apr 2018

They readily acknowledge they were written decades later

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
10. The Tel Dan as well
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:31 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:45 AM - Edit history (2)

That's a lot of physical evidence for such an ancient person

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
11. Wait, whos equating Trump with King David?
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 10:34 PM
Apr 2018

I saw people jokingly referring to David Hogg as King David (mostly in the David v Goliath sense) Where did you see people saying Trump was like King David?

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
18. I'll disagree with you that King David was a prophet...
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:23 PM
Apr 2018

...with that said.

The Lord called him as one of his own heart. But prophet, no. Nathaniel would not have had to intervene in his "escapades" if he was a prophet.

King David committed grave crimes, but begged for forgiveness and accepted any punishment that came with it.

Evangelicals however, want to return to the dark ages, where leaders were "anointed by God" and excused of all punishment, unlike King David, thus rebelling against them was against God, thus the punishment was death. And in some cases, the ruler was divine, an even further "heresy". And its ironic, David was the leader of a rebellion against King Saul, who was anointed by God. And Jesus, was against the sub-government of the Theocratic Temple...by Evangelicals own definition, Jesus was a criminal.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
19. "They have pierced by hands and my feet"
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:27 PM
Apr 2018

"They have numbered all my bones"

David was certainly a prophet and he wrote many of the Psalms.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
21. Why stop there...Psalm 22
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:05 AM
Apr 2018

My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me!

But that still doesn't make David a Prophet. Anybody warned or given foresight via a dream or divine intervention does not make them a prophet. It only means they have favor with God.

Likewise, to say God answers your prayers, means you have to accept the medium he communicates with you, but it still doesn't mean you are a prophet.

........

Ok, as I was typing my response, I came to understand your point of view. So yeah, King David was a "prophet"...but not a direct one, I doubt he realized the significance of his psalms. I was viewing prophets in the more active sense and near term....that is, within the century.

In my view, King David was more a of a "witness" of what was to come rather than a prophet. But that's just my view.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. Right and next Isaiah was either a king or a bull frog.
Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:30 PM
Apr 2018

The basic understanding of what a prophet actually was is almost universally misunderood

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
22. Isaiah prophesied...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:21 AM
Apr 2018

....in the "buff". Many of the OT prophets had nose piercings...those dang Portlandia hippies!

Prophecy has led many out of harms way, moved populations, healing when doctors were not available, etc.

But as it's written "no prophet is accepted in his hometown".

To me, Prophets are neither a King or bullfrog, but something in between. I think history preys on me on the King side, way too many European Monarchs declared as "Divine King" ..and thus, "holy leaders".

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. First point, the Book of Isaiah spanned two generations and had two sets of authors
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:14 AM
Apr 2018

The first part which was largely based on a historical person, Isaiah and deutero-Isaiah that was written by a school of Isaiah's followers.

More importantly none of the prophets in what Christians refer to as the "Old Testament" or the eschatological works of Daniel and the Book of Revelation have anything to do with predicting future events.

Their primary purpose is to warn the rulers that if they continue in their current trajectory that they will find themselves in ruin or after the ruin to explain why.

The fundamental arc of the Book of Isaiah is to explain that the promises that were made to the tribes of Israel were not for the sake of the Jews but rather so that the universal message of YHWH could be spread to the entire world. Israel, was to be the suffering servant.

Most of the Old and New Testament are 'crises' documents trying to reframe and explain to the followers why things are not going in the direction that people anticipated.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
34. Ok, thats' one. The OP made it sound like many are making the comparison.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:40 PM
Apr 2018

I hadn't seen the comparison before, on DU or anywhere else.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
37. Watch FOX? THAT's your recommendation? Noooo ...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:49 PM
Apr 2018

... save yourself, Drahthaardogs, change the channel. That "news" will just wind you up.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
41. It's a good think Stormy Daniels didn't cut Donald's hair
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:46 PM
Apr 2018

The comparison between Donald Trump and the mighty Samson is quite obvious.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
33. Religion is just scanctified politics, not the other way around.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:26 PM
Apr 2018

Politics can be hijacked by religious types, but the problem is when people accept religion as true, at all.

If there was a guy named king david or not, that has nothing at all to do with american democracy, or at least it shouldn't.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
35. What the fuck does any of that have to do with my OP
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:41 PM
Apr 2018

Don't hijack my thread. Start your own if you cannot stay on topic.

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