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kentuck

(111,102 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:24 AM Apr 2018

5 Days After Trump Lawyer Paid Adult Film Star $130,000, Trump Org Billed Trump Campaign $129,999.72

https://www.inquisitr.com/4819278/five-days-after-trump-lawyer-paid-adult-film-star-130k-trump-org-billed-trump-campaign-129999-72/

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Five days after a lawyer for Donald Trump’s lawyer paid $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels allegedly in exchange for her silence about a year-long affair with Trump, the company owned by Donald Trump billed his campaign a series of transactions that added up to exactly $129,999.72 — just 28 cents short of the payment made to Daniels.

The anomaly has gone viral online and raised questions about whether Trump’ s campaign received an illegal campaign contribution related to the alleged payment to Daniels. Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, has since admitted to making the payment to Daniels, but said it came from his own money and had no connection to Donald Trump’s campaign, ABC News reported.

But there are now growing concerns that the payment to Stormy Daniels amounts to an illegal campaign contribution to Donald Trump. The nonpartisan watchdog group Common Cause made a complaint to the Justice Department and the Federal Election Commission claiming that the payment amounted to an in-kind donation to Donald Trump’s campaign, but was not reported.

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The finding is far from ironclad proof that Donald Trump was involved in paying off Stormy Daniels. For one, there were other payments made during that same time frame, though it was these exact five payments, all made from Trump’s campaign to his Trump-owned properties, that added up to $129,999.72. There is still no clear path of how that money may have been involved with the hush money payout, and Michael Cohen had said publicly that he paid out of his own pocket, with no reimbursement from Trump.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-trump-lying-about-the-hush-money/2018/04/07/acd0e730-39b0-11e8-9c0a-85d477d9a226_story.html?utm_term=.c86100cf76df

Is Trump lying about the hush money?
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5 Days After Trump Lawyer Paid Adult Film Star $130,000, Trump Org Billed Trump Campaign $129,999.72 (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2018 OP
Coincidence?! Nay, can't be. Can it?! democratisphere Apr 2018 #1
Is trump lying about hush money? mountain grammy Apr 2018 #2
EVERYTHING! world wide wally Apr 2018 #42
Ohhh. Snap! Chemisse Apr 2018 #3
Lawyers Takket Apr 2018 #4
I dont think he is just a lawyer for Trump. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #25
$.28 cent difference? FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #5
Made me laugh. sellitman Apr 2018 #10
while i have no doubt he knew it all, if that number is significant, such as the age of daniels or certainot Apr 2018 #12
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Apr 2018 #6
Its the Z-Team and Col Hannibal Cheetolini just loves it when a plan falls apart. marble falls Apr 2018 #8
Now we need to find records of payments to Cohen groundloop Apr 2018 #7
His bank records can be subpoenaed SummerSnow Apr 2018 #9
It should have been 31 cents ejbr Apr 2018 #11
Maybe that was the reason Trump cashed the 13 cent check from Spy Magazine. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #36
The story that Cohen told people he wasn't paid back gibraltar72 Apr 2018 #13
follow the money...and this is a Federal CRIME as well beachbum bob Apr 2018 #14
So what would the fallout be in a normal environment? Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #15
Normally jberryhill Apr 2018 #28
It's never the act. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #16
I would think that if they "follow the money"...... Upthevibe Apr 2018 #22
It's so easy, if Cohen paid it with his own money SonofDonald Apr 2018 #17
Cohen claims he got money from home equity loan from his bank wishstar Apr 2018 #21
Thanks I just hadn't looked into that SonofDonald Apr 2018 #23
Maybe forgiving that loan would be easier than directly paying the money to Cohen. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #27
Trump's monthly McDonald's bill? Cyrano Apr 2018 #18
I think this "evidence" is a bit thin. JohnnyRingo Apr 2018 #19
The Trump Org did bill the Trump Campaign... kentuck Apr 2018 #20
Seems like a good reason to subpoena a bunch of financial records and emails!! Sancho Apr 2018 #24
So who's going to hold their feet to the fire on this? Anyone? Or...we just know what he did ... Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #26
There was a story out last week that Mueller is looking into Cohen. Blue_true Apr 2018 #29
Not for breaking campaign finance laws. He's looking into something else... Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #32
But isn't Mueller obligated as a prosecutor to pursue a crime if he find one? Blue_true Apr 2018 #37
Yeah, but the poster was saying Mueller was now looking at Cohen or calling him in. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #39
Is Trump lying???? Vinca Apr 2018 #30
'We KNOW he's guilty, let's just HANG HIM!' - typical GOP'ster during the Obama Admin.. nt vkkv Apr 2018 #31
I'm sure the DOJ will get right on that..... AJT Apr 2018 #33
Years ago a corp I worked for wouldn't approve meals costing the same each day. rickford66 Apr 2018 #34
Lol it's hard Faux pas Apr 2018 #35
Cohen says he was never WhiteTara Apr 2018 #38
"Is Trump lying...." YES YES THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YES sharedvalues Apr 2018 #40
Mueller's got this .. DemoTex Apr 2018 #41
By the time Mueller brings charges against Trump and his cohorts, world wide wally Apr 2018 #43

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. Coincidence?! Nay, can't be. Can it?!
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:29 AM
Apr 2018

I never thought this much corruption and malfeasance by one administration was even possible!

Takket

(21,577 posts)
4. Lawyers
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:42 AM
Apr 2018

Won’t even talk to you on the phone without billing you for the time. Does anyone actually believe a lawyer is going to shell out that much of his own money, out of the goodness of his heart, to protect a client? Lol

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. I dont think he is just a lawyer for Trump.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Apr 2018

Wasn’t he VP of Trump Org?

Edit to add:

Michael Dean Cohen (born 1966/67) is an American attorney who works as a lawyer and spokesperson for U.S. President Donald Trump.[1] Prior to this appointment he was Executive Vice-President of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump.[2] Cohen also previously served as co-president of Trump Entertainment and a member of the board of the Eric Trump Foundation, a children's health charity.[3] He joined the Trump Organization after having been a partner at Phillips Nizer.[3]

Wiki

sellitman

(11,607 posts)
10. Made me laugh.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:59 AM
Apr 2018

Great stuff.

That he is running a crime family and lies about everything shouldn't raise eyebrows anymore.What the real problems seems to be is that each lie into itself would bring down a regular President. When Trump lies it seems so "normal".

That's scary.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
12. while i have no doubt he knew it all, if that number is significant, such as the age of daniels or
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:10 AM
Apr 2018

ivanka or the cost of a stamp or something weird that relates to another event, etc, it might help her lawyer with a jury, etc

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
7. Now we need to find records of payments to Cohen
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:47 AM
Apr 2018

There is simply no way in hell that an attorney would pay $130,000 out of his own pocket to shelter a client from bad publicity. 45* (aka Spanky) surely sent money to Cohen somehow, now someone needs to find proof of that (and it sounds like that's getting closer and closer).

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
11. It should have been 31 cents
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:06 AM
Apr 2018

leaving 69 cents for Trump to foot. These lawyers have no sense of the ironic

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. Maybe that was the reason Trump cashed the 13 cent check from Spy Magazine.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

To help make up some of his loss.

gibraltar72

(7,506 posts)
13. The story that Cohen told people he wasn't paid back
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:20 AM
Apr 2018

never rang true to me. I thought it strange that he would drop this in to polite conversation unless they were creating a cover story. I just don't think it's something even a hack like Cohen would divulge unless it was orchestrated.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
14. follow the money...and this is a Federal CRIME as well
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:22 AM
Apr 2018

so just wait and see as the money has to have found a way back to Cohen....

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
28. Normally
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:24 PM
Apr 2018

This would be an action by the FEC comparable to the Edwards situation, which would mean possible action another year or two down the road. However, it is unlikely this FEC is going to do much of anything.

Upthevibe

(8,052 posts)
22. I would think that if they "follow the money"......
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:33 AM
Apr 2018

that would mean something, right? So okay, we see here that x amount of money was paid to x....Now what was for?

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
17. It's so easy, if Cohen paid it with his own money
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:21 AM
Apr 2018

Then there should be proof that it came from his bank account or proof that he took out a mortgage on his house PRIOR to the payment to Daniels.

And that the money is actually gone and not still sitting in a bank account somewhere still under his name or one of his Llc's.

There has to be a digital or paper trail.

Simple for those who know to find out.

It's also nice to know that this will kill his future as a lawyer, who on earth would ever hire him after this is all figured out?

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
21. Cohen claims he got money from home equity loan from his bank
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:32 AM
Apr 2018

and the home equity loan money went into a new LLC he set up just for the purpose of paying Stormy. Cohen owns several properties including in Trump Tower so he may have several properties including a primary residence as collateral with that bank that issued this particular home equity loan.

Hopefully Mueller probe will get to bottom of details, since it would take an FBI investigation to entangle all of the complicated finances involving multiple properties and shell companies plus the campaign funds that Cohen and Trump have used to avoid detection.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
23. Thanks I just hadn't looked into that
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:47 AM
Apr 2018

With so many scandals to choose from I didn't really read too much about this one so far.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
27. Maybe forgiving that loan would be easier than directly paying the money to Cohen.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:17 PM
Apr 2018

Loan forgiveness is also a possibility that could be looked into. Let's see whether the money was really borrowed. If this theory is true, then it probably was.

But what about money paid on other NDAs, assuming there really were some.

Just theories, but worth examining.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
19. I think this "evidence" is a bit thin.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:25 AM
Apr 2018

More damning is the apparent fact that Trump didn't even thank his attorney. Indeed, he implies he didn't so much as acknowledge the payment. And why should he when Trump continues his claim that he never touched her?

None of that makes any sense without considering it a payment from the campaign to stanch a sex scandal days before the election.

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
20. The Trump Org did bill the Trump Campaign...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:27 AM
Apr 2018

If it is just a coincidence that the payments were off by 28 cents from the $130,000 hush payment to Stormy Daniels, surely there is a reason for the payments?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. So who's going to hold their feet to the fire on this? Anyone? Or...we just know what he did ...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:11 PM
Apr 2018

and got away with, like so many other things?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. There was a story out last week that Mueller is looking into Cohen.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:26 PM
Apr 2018

My guess is if that is true, the money trail will be examined.

Donald Trump has proven himself to be a control freak and a chronic liar. I really don't see a situation where he allowed his personal attorney to go off and do shit without having knowledge of it or ordering it. Hopefully Mueller connects the dots back to Trump.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
32. Not for breaking campaign finance laws. He's looking into something else...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

I guess, since Mueller's investigation doesn't get into campaign finance. It might be other ways that Cohen handled illegal money that might relate to obstruction of justice or Russia collusion.

Campaign finance is within the purview of Congress.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. But isn't Mueller obligated as a prosecutor to pursue a crime if he find one?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

Manafort was not originally investigated for the crimes with which he and Gates were initially charged. Yet Mueller found what his team considered crimes, filed charges that ultimately flipped Gates, now Mueller is looking into actual Manafort Russian collusion with information that Gates appear to be providing.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. Yeah, but the poster was saying Mueller was now looking at Cohen or calling him in.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

I don't see him doing that, since the $130k didn't come knocking on Mueller's door, so he didn't "run across" it while investigating the Russian connection matters. And a campaign finance law would be pretty small potatoes compared with all the heavy things Mueller is dealing with. I don't see him spending time on campaign finance fraud, esp since that's in the news and Congress has oversight on that, anyway. It's not in the same league as Manafort's money laundering issues.

Totally different than Mueller running across the $130k thing in the records he has and is analyzing for Russian connections and obstruction of justice.

But I guess he could...especially if he has his sights on Cohen for other reasons. Or if this is part of a bigger pattern in Trump's campaign.

rickford66

(5,524 posts)
34. Years ago a corp I worked for wouldn't approve meals costing the same each day.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 12:41 PM
Apr 2018

The total for three meals could be the exact daily amount allowed, but no two meals anywhere on the expense report could cost the same. Stupid, because most people end up eating meals on business at the same places each day and usually settle on a favorite meal. So one guy came up with a program to generate random amounts. Maybe Trump's accountants have a similar program for shady payments and there's a slight bug in it or they are so clever they add a very small error. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit. They seem to leave breadcrumbs all over the place.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
40. "Is Trump lying...." YES YES THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YES
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:18 AM
Apr 2018

Why do we waste so much time analyzing DJT's words?

The president is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR who manipulates truth as a way to assert power. HE LIES. ALL THE TIME. Our default assumption should be that he lied.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
43. By the time Mueller brings charges against Trump and his cohorts,
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:23 AM
Apr 2018

there are likely to be about 129,999 of them.

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