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coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:23 PM Apr 2018

I lost my best friend this week

The subject of this old thread.

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026975514#post20|

We were friends for about 45 years and there is no one else who influenced me as much as she did. My taste in music, my attitudes about life and volunteerism, and even the way I dress! She was my mentor when we were 13. My teenage life would have been sad and boring if not for her. She had such a wonderful sense of fun, which she never lost as we got older.

Except . . . she had gotten friendly with a guy from our high school days who was a rabid racist. She had never married and she saw him as her last chance. He poisoned her . . .

She turned into someone I didn't recognize. A Fredo loving confederate flag waving racist nut.

We last argued over Sally Yates and she unfriended me on FB.

Monday she was hospitalized for complications of diabetes and the flu. She's gone now.

I never loved her any less for all her awful racist rants because how could I stop loving someone who gave me my life when we were teenagers?

She was dead wrong, but now she's just dead.

This is our country now. Best friends pitted against each other, family pitted against each other, hatred tearing apart everything we hold dear about our country and what it stands for.

I want to know how we will all heal from this monstrosity Trump has created. How can we just ignore the 35% of this country who still think Fredo is good for the country? W've gone back to 1977 or even decades earlier.

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I lost my best friend this week (Original Post) coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 OP
Deepest Sympathies Dear Lion Me. Apr 2018 #1
You and H2O coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #25
.... Me. Apr 2018 #26
Sympathies. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #2
So sorry for your loss. lpbk2713 Apr 2018 #3
Sorry to read this CountAllVotes Apr 2018 #4
It will get better, it just takes time SonofDonald Apr 2018 #5
:( CountAllVotes Apr 2018 #8
I'm sorry for your loss coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #15
Thank you SonofDonald Apr 2018 #43
8( spanone Apr 2018 #6
Be not too hard struggle4progress Apr 2018 #7
Beautiful! coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #27
Thank you to everyone commenting coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #9
I lost most of my family since 1996 CountAllVotes Apr 2018 #11
Sad. But new friendships are being built too as people run away from RepubliTrumpConism. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #10
I lost a childhood friend in a similar fashion Dem2 Apr 2018 #12
The lies CountAllVotes Apr 2018 #13
She was a lot of things that I wasn't as an awkward teenager Dem2 Apr 2018 #14
Your friend sounds exactly like mine coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #17
Yes CountAllVotes Apr 2018 #31
I'm sorry coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #35
Oddly I don't feel any remorse either coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #16
My sister and I havent spoken in years. lunatica Apr 2018 #18
YES I find that DUers are pretty amazing! coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #19
Carry the memories.... magicarpet Apr 2018 #23
Thanks! coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #24
I can understand CountAllVotes Apr 2018 #32
We survived a civil war that killed over 600,000 people Downtown Hound Apr 2018 #20
We may survive Trump's time in office, but our species will literally not survive climate change. StevieM Apr 2018 #21
You're right coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #29
In order to keep the peace True Blue American Apr 2018 #38
As long as he's in charge of the BBQ - His Word Rules! erronis Apr 2018 #46
Oh,he is! True Blue American Apr 2018 #55
Did she ever marry the guy? StevieM Apr 2018 #22
No she never married him coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #30
Sorry for your loss kimbutgar Apr 2018 #28
We're living through a cold civil war RandomAccess Apr 2018 #33
Truth! coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #36
+1 Kurt V. Apr 2018 #44
Really sad. I am sorry True Blue American Apr 2018 #34
We were like sisters until coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #42
I know True Blue American Apr 2018 #52
That's my goal coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #53
Anything, True Blue American Apr 2018 #54
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #58
I'm so very sorry for your double-loss. May the good memories console you... Hekate Apr 2018 #37
I hope so coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #41
So sorry for your loss Stuart G Apr 2018 #39
Thanks coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #40
I'm very sorry vercetti2021 Apr 2018 #45
Intellectually I know coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #49
Reminds me of a movie quote vercetti2021 Apr 2018 #75
Love it. One of my favorite movies. coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #76
You're welcome vercetti2021 Apr 2018 #77
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #99
Firstly, I'm so sorry to hear about this loss... Upthevibe Apr 2018 #47
I hope you can find some peace now too coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #48
coeur_de_lion....you absolutely DID loose Upthevibe Apr 2018 #57
Hugs coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #59
I'm so sorry for your loss. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #50
Thanks coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #51
Business forever left undone. I'm sorry Hortensis Apr 2018 #56
We would have too coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #60
:) You have that then to know as you see others Hortensis Apr 2018 #66
DU the best therapy coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #67
So sorry coeur_de_lion.. backtoblue Apr 2018 #61
Thank you. coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #62
Im so sorry DUgosh Apr 2018 #63
Gosh really similar coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #64
So much free time on their hands DUgosh Apr 2018 #79
So sad bdamomma Apr 2018 #65
Inspiration to get active coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #68
I just registered to volunteer coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #69
Very sad Meowmee Apr 2018 #70
Otherwise good people coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #71
Yep Meowmee Apr 2018 #72
That's the heart breaking part coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #73
Yes its very sad how some people get indoctrinated even Meowmee Apr 2018 #74
It's good you never stopped loving her Raine Apr 2018 #78
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #82
I'm so sorry this happened. Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #80
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #83
I'm sorry for your loss. JDC Apr 2018 #81
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #84
I'm so sorry.....damned trump has even ruined our friendships.... samnsara Apr 2018 #85
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #89
IMO, tRump didn't create this monstrosity... Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #86
Good point coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #91
It really has been there bubbling under the surface. The PGIC has released Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #101
I can't imagine how long coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #104
Insightful post samplegirl Apr 2018 #87
Thanks coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #92
This is what Hillary was talking about antifash Apr 2018 #88
My sister is another one coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #108
We need to take over coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #110
I lost many friends in the Bush2 era UpInArms Apr 2018 #90
Thank you! coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #96
I am so sorry for your loss. Lifelong Protester Apr 2018 #93
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #97
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I don't believe we will ever sinkingfeeling Apr 2018 #95
Someone pointed out to me coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #98
This really is a civil war. PatrickforO Apr 2018 #100
i agree coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #102
I'll look for that article thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #106
my deepest sympathies on such a terrible loss. I wish there were words that could help. niyad Apr 2018 #103
Talking to DU folks coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #107
My condolences to you for the loss of such an important person in your life. kairos12 Apr 2018 #109
Thank you coeur_de_lion Apr 2018 #111

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
2. Sympathies.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:33 PM
Apr 2018

I went thru this BEFORE rump.

Somehow two rabidly LIBERAL people became billo fans who were so racist it was real real ugly.

I was in shock when I found out...havent spoken since.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
3. So sorry for your loss.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:35 PM
Apr 2018



What adds to the tragedy of a loss of a dear friend is that you never
got the chance to get things ironed out between the two of you.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
4. Sorry to read this
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:41 PM
Apr 2018

I understand, believe me.

I had a similar friend (since age 14). We did everything together and I mean everything!

For some reason in the year 2008, she quit speaking to me.

Today she is waiting on her puke mother to kick the bucket so she can get the $ to pay off her condo in a rich man's paradise.

We have nothing in common.

In hindsight, maybe we never did.

Hang-in there and know that you are never alone!



SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
5. It will get better, it just takes time
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:45 PM
Apr 2018

And love and support.

I lost my Father five years ago today.

We lost six close family members in seven years, all before their time, none to natural causes or old age.

Life's goes on, I've found that it's mostly the good memories that continue to come to mind.

Healing takes time love and support, spend time looking for that if possible.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
43. Thank you
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:51 PM
Apr 2018

I'm firing up my Fathers ( now mine ) 1928 Model A one ton flatbed in a bit and taking my Mother for a drive.

The last time it was driven was two weeks before my Father had a stroke that started his illness.

I drove and let him direct the trip, my Grandfather was its original owner, it had run liquor during prohibition before being sold in the late 30's, he found the truck and purchased it in 1974 and we started its restoration.

It was and is my first love even before girls.

My Mother used to drive it on back roads to go grocery shopping on Saturdays until the early 90's.

Every time I go into my shop my thoughts turn instantly to my Father because there it is still waiting.

It's taken me a week to get it up and running and ready.

And today it's going for drive again.

And Mom will smile and enjoy the afternoon, the old truck only does 35 mph downhill with a tailwind.

But it's priceless to us.

Healing comes in many forms.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
9. Thank you to everyone commenting
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 01:56 PM
Apr 2018

and everyone who might comment in the future.

These comments are the only thing that have made me feel better in the last 24 hours!

Very healing to know so many of you have the same rifts with loved ones.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
11. I lost most of my family since 1996
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:03 PM
Apr 2018

It was a rapid succession. They are all gone now. To have your *best* friend dump you after it is seemingly all over is really a bit much IMO. No big loss in hindsight luckily!

I have one sibling left that I never hear from and yes, a gun humping puke.

*sigh*

We go on anyway as we must!

Take good care!



Dem2

(8,168 posts)
12. I lost a childhood friend in a similar fashion
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:03 PM
Apr 2018

She took on the politics of the guy she is with. Even worse, she's lost interest in him but she's used to the lifestyle she has with him and won't leave now. The lies. The racist lies. They disgust me. I finally got fed up when I saw her publicly supporting Trump and told her off. As with all of these types, she unfriended me and I felt no remorse. None. I've never unfriended anybody, and I likely never will. Several Trump supporters have done so, yet I never actually noticed as in I couldn't tell you exactly when it occurred (other than this one case described here.) In every other case it's just one less annoyance in my life.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
13. The lies
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:05 PM
Apr 2018

The lies are what finishes it off IMO.

I don't blame you and thanks for your post!

Often life is just plain unfair!



Dem2

(8,168 posts)
14. She was a lot of things that I wasn't as an awkward teenager
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:13 PM
Apr 2018

She was outgoing, funny and always getting me to try new things; I wouldn't do anything differently if I had to do it all over again. Unfortunately she was willing to sell out her morals and ethics in order to move up in the world; i.e. have money. Yes I don't have as much money as I could if I was more aggressive and didn't care about how I affected other people. But I do, and I would rather be happy than wealthy.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
17. Your friend sounds exactly like mine
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:33 PM
Apr 2018

She always was the instigator of fun. My life would have been boring and sad without her. I wouldn't do anything differently either.

I don't feel that she went into the hate business voluntarily. This guy told her things she had always wanted to hear from a man. She wasn't after money she just wanted to be loved like everybody.

I feel like Donald Fredo Trump took my friend away.

Infected her mind like a virus.

I wonder if now that she is in heaven she can see that all the hate was a waste of time.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
31. Yes
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:20 PM
Apr 2018

Mine was the same way. Real tight with the money (never never paid for anything at all). It was on me, not that I had a damned thing. I sent money when down and out, I helped when I was able to do so but I guess that wasn't good enough.

At one point I asked for a favor and was hotly declined. It was not long after that that I was kicked to the curb. It hurt yes and it will always bear a scar as I wasted a lot of time with this person that only cares about one thing, their own very selfish self.



coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
35. I'm sorry
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:39 PM
Apr 2018

That is really hurtful. Betrayal hurts and is so hard to get over. I hope that in time new friends come into your life that more than fill the gap.

My friend S wasn't money hungry. Not at all.

She was hungry for love and she thought she had found it. I don't know what happened to that guy, since she cut me off I didn't know what happened in her life. On her pinterest board there are only 2 pins. Wedding gowns. Breaks my heart that she never found a lasting love. Her health took a very nasty turn after she blew me off and I'm guessing he didn't want to take on a sick woman. Or maybe he was just an asshole.

Her father died when she was very young. She spent her whole life looking for love.

She had a kind, generous heart her whole life and this guy, ruined her for me. I hope that they had some happy times together I guess it would make the heartache worth it a little.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. My sister and I havent spoken in years.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:37 PM
Apr 2018

I posted about it a few days ago and was quite surprised at how many responses I got.

Posting these things in DU is very safe. DIers are amazing!

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
23. Carry the memories....
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:00 PM
Apr 2018

.... and cherish the positive impacts you two shared to help each other and grow while together. Those pleasantries of close human interaction will always be there for you to reflect upon with happiness and joy.


CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
32. I can understand
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:22 PM
Apr 2018

Oh yes.

How we end up in this spot is beyond me.

It was not what I particularly wanted but that is the way it is.

Take care!



Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
20. We survived a civil war that killed over 600,000 people
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:50 PM
Apr 2018

We will survive Trump. I've lost several friends over Trump. But I'm at a place in my life where I want the people I keep as friends to reflect positively on who I am as a person. Trump supporters need not apply. They're more than welcome to come back if they renounce him, but until they do, there's no room for them in my life. I don't consider either racists or those who turn a blind eye to racism because they think it will get them something (which in this case, it won't) as people I want as my friends. I want people around me to care about justice, equality, compassion, and making the world a better place. Trump voters do not fit that bill.

Remember that you are who you hang with. I am sorry for your loss and understand that you are grieving. But remember that we as a society and as a species are never going to evolve unless we truly band together and make it clear that Trump and racism are NOT things we are going to tolerate, and if you choose to support him or the racism he represents, we are not going to tolerate that either.

Racists need to understand that there will be consequences for embracing hate. Trump has made them believe it's okay to be ugly and racist again. We need to show them that they are dead wrong in that.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
21. We may survive Trump's time in office, but our species will literally not survive climate change.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:53 PM
Apr 2018

We need to do something, and fast.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
29. You're right
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:10 PM
Apr 2018

And she was dead wrong but now she's just dead.

She drank from the poisoned well.

All that hate killed her.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
38. In order to keep the peace
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:41 PM
Apr 2018

My Son,at his last cook out said,” NO POLITICS!”

Since his Inlaws are all Republican,suited me just fine. We stay friends!

erronis

(15,303 posts)
46. As long as he's in charge of the BBQ - His Word Rules!
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:57 PM
Apr 2018

Still, I bet there were a few cliques and mutterings going on while chowing on the excellent grub.

People love to complain, love to provoke, love to find offense.

Especially if they are not open thinkers.

Like us.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
55. Oh,he is!
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:51 PM
Apr 2018

His house and yard seems to be the center of the family, and he loves every minute of it.

His grill,his Sundeck he built himself. He took early retirement 2 years ago so he could enjoy.

It is fun to watch. Gardening, building. Weddings!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
22. Did she ever marry the guy?
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:59 PM
Apr 2018

It is sad that she did not live longer. It would have given her a chance to turn away from her dark turn before the end.

kimbutgar

(21,162 posts)
28. Sorry for your loss
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:09 PM
Apr 2018

I feel feel your pain. I also lost a friend I’ve known since 1978 to Fox News during the last Bush years. She is still alive but she is so far gone in twitler world. She got caught up with a guy who was a right winger evangelical. He cheated on her and broke her heart.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
33. We're living through a cold civil war
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:33 PM
Apr 2018

I'm sorry for your loss -- but joyful about the friend you had for as long as you had her.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
34. Really sad. I am sorry
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:38 PM
Apr 2018

You never had the chance to make up.

I have had a best friend since I was 4, she was 6. We are closer than sisters.

We are also on the same wave length. We have helped each other through so much it would be hard to be with out her.

Think of all the good things you shared. Politics is tearing apart families, friends all over.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
42. We were like sisters until
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:49 PM
Apr 2018

she turned racist on me.

I was as surprised as you might be to learn that your bestie turned hateful.

I just don't get it.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
52. I know
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:30 PM
Apr 2018

That makes your loss so much worse. That is why I would like for you to concentrate on the good times you had.

Healing helps, but your loss never goes away. Try for any comfort you can find.

I understand. Try and make something good come out of the bad if you can.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
54. Anything,
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:44 PM
Apr 2018

Involve yourself in a Church, if you like, volunteer. The Y for exercise. You would be surprised just how many people need a good friend

Above all try to make new friends. I do this in times of great loss. Talk to people.

Post more! joking, but everything helps.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
58. Thank you
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

I just looked at my my post count and it is ridiculously low for someone on DU for 14 years.

I know H2O real well and Me. I remember some folks from the old days in 2004 but I don't think they remember me.

I live in a small town and I have loads of friends. Loads of cousins.

But some of them are republicans! The cousins. My friends are all sensible.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
37. I'm so very sorry for your double-loss. May the good memories console you...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:40 PM
Apr 2018

If there is an afterlife, may the self-inflicted wounds to her own soul be healed.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
41. I hope so
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:47 PM
Apr 2018

otherwise she's going to the other place!

I like to think that when you die there is only love and all the anger falls away.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
45. I'm very sorry
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:53 PM
Apr 2018

I know how that feels losing a friend... but never could imagine losing a friend over that disgusting shit for brains in office.


And I hate to say it but maybe we are better off without people like that in our lives. True friendship stays together, it doesn't shatter over political views or differences in opinion.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
49. Intellectually I know
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:16 PM
Apr 2018

I was better off without her as long as she was infected with hate.

Emotionally I just miss my buddy.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
77. You're welcome
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:03 PM
Apr 2018

I love this movie. Just remember the good, not what they become later. I truly believe people lose their way down the road in life sometimes.

I lost friends close to me because of change. Either within myself or others. But you try your best to keep the friendship intact. You did your best.

Upthevibe

(8,053 posts)
47. Firstly, I'm so sorry to hear about this loss...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 03:59 PM
Apr 2018

Most of my childhood friends (in Texas where I was born and raised) are Repugs. who voted for dt (this is how I refer to him - I won't write, type or say his name-under most circumstances- occasionally I'm forced to). I moved out here to California 30 years ago and most of them stayed in Texas. Pretty much ALL of my friends here are as progressive as I am. I've unsubscribed from the childhood friends on FB so I don't have to see what they're posting. I'm sorry you lost your friend. I know it's horrible. I've lost one of my very best friends here in CA (to his husband) but not because of politics - because of economic class. He and his partner are in the entertainment industry (not actors) and they make a TON of money. His husband is one of the biggest assholes I've ever known and an almost stereotypical snob. My wonderful, beautiful, and incredibly sweet-hearted friend who I was closer to than anyone ever is gone. I hope you can somehow find some peace....

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
48. I hope you can find some peace now too
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:14 PM
Apr 2018

That is sad to lose someone over their relationship.

In an indirect way I think I did too.

Upthevibe

(8,053 posts)
57. coeur_de_lion....you absolutely DID loose
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

someone because of their relationship. I don't even think it was in an indirect way... . And mine either, it was direct, very direct. Fortunately, I have other wonderful friends. I will always miss and love him.... I hope you too are able to find some peace....

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
50. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:18 PM
Apr 2018

Even when we disagree, it is still so hard to lose someone who has been close to you. My heart goes out to you and your friend. May she rest in peace.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. Business forever left undone. I'm sorry
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 04:56 PM
Apr 2018

you guys didn't have another decade to come together again, Coeur.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
60. We would have too
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:06 PM
Apr 2018

I am sure of it. I just have to believe we'll see each other in the afterlife.

Or be born again to start over.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. :) You have that then to know as you see others
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:41 PM
Apr 2018

work it through.

I really believe most eventually will, like you and your dear friend would. After all, the more hurtful the division, the less likely it is to get talked over, acknowledged, apologized for. We usually just tacitly, and gladly, agree to leave it behind and move on.

DUgosh

(3,056 posts)
63. Im so sorry
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:24 PM
Apr 2018

My former bestie blocked me two months ago, we were friends for 44 years. 8 years ago she found her former high school bf on Fb. She left her husband and moved three hundred miles to stalk him and steal him from his wife. She was so full of racist hate and longing I didn’t recognize her anymore, she spends her time waiting for her “lover” glued to Fox News.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
69. I just registered to volunteer
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 05:54 PM
Apr 2018

for the GOTV effort in my county. I live in a red county so there will be 3 of us . . .

Just kidding.

This is the best way I know how to fight this thing right now.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
70. Very sad
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:04 PM
Apr 2018

I’m sorry for your loss. I guess one good thing you can say is you had some good times together before she changed for the worse. As for the country I’ve given up pretty much, only time will tell if we’ll survive this. The problem is not only 🍊💩 per say, although the fake prez traitor in chief is a disaster, the real problem was already here with a bunch of crazies who agreed with all of this.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
71. Otherwise good people
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:08 PM
Apr 2018

have been drinking the moron kool-aide.

I want to deprogram them all like they used to do with Moonies.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
72. Yep
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:13 PM
Apr 2018

But imo you don’t drink what you don’t already have a propensity to believe in the first place.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
73. That's the heart breaking part
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:15 PM
Apr 2018

This was in her somehow.

Her Mom was a living saint. A wonderful woman. She would have been rolling in her grave.

Now S is with her and she can straighten her out.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
74. Yes its very sad how some people get indoctrinated even
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:17 PM
Apr 2018

When their families did not hold those views. wishing you peace 💕

Raine

(30,540 posts)
78. It's good you never stopped loving her
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:10 PM
Apr 2018

too many people let love turn into hate over disagreements ... always remember the good times you shared.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
86. IMO, tRump didn't create this monstrosity...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:46 PM
Apr 2018

he has only exacerbated it by 1000%. The monster was given birth by Raygun and fed by hate, fear and unadulterated racism, it has grown into the monstrosity we are now living with daily.

I'm sorry you lost someone you cared about.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
91. Good point
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:40 AM
Apr 2018

Fredo has given the racists freedom to be bigots in public but the racism must have always been there in private.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
101. It really has been there bubbling under the surface. The PGIC has released
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:40 AM
Apr 2018

the poisonous gas from the swamp and now it permeates the USA.

 

antifash

(18 posts)
88. This is what Hillary was talking about
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 05:26 AM
Apr 2018

People pounced on Hillary when she spoke about women voting the way that their husbands and boyfriends told them to vote, but this is a clear example of a woman conforming to her "man's" point of view, and I'm sure it was a widespread phenomena this election cycle. It's not that women are weak minded, it's that we are expected to conform to what a man tells us to do. It's part of the patriarchy, and we HAVE to cast it off!

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
94. My sister is another one
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:57 AM
Apr 2018

Her husband is a member of NRA and a rabid republican so she is too.

Her one saving grace is she just wishes Fredo would shut the hell up on Twitter.

Last night I exchanged emails with my friend's sister. I asked what happened with the guy who turned my friend into a racist loon.

She tried to get something going with him but he was a bad alcoholic. When they got together they drank too much and it played hell with her diabetes. Plus, he wasn't understanding when it came to her need to eat at regular intervals. It was a toxic relationship so she dumped him. Afterward he drunk dialed her sister for months begging her to help them get back together. Now they are afraid to tell him she's dead for fear of what he will do to himself. He's unemployed and living in a trailer due to his drinking.

Figures. Where I live many of the Fredo supporters are the poorest of the poor and the only thing that sustains them is their hate. Meanwhile Fredo is making sure they stay poor and uneducated.

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UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
90. I lost many friends in the Bush2 era
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:38 AM
Apr 2018

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And have no way of knowing what their lives are

It has been a time of self discovery for me to know that I can keep the good memories and let the flow of life go on without them.

Hugs to you, dear Lion

🙆🏻?♀️🙆🏻?♀️🙆🏻?♀️

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
95. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I don't believe we will ever
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:59 AM
Apr 2018

undo the damage to the country. At least not in my lifetime.

coeur_de_lion

(3,680 posts)
98. Someone pointed out to me
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:16 AM
Apr 2018

yesterday that we rebuilt after the Civil War, we will rebuild after this.

Made me feel better.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
100. This really is a civil war.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 11:25 AM
Apr 2018

Being fought every day on social media and in newsrooms. Father against son, mother against daughter, siblings against each other, friend against friend.

When we lost the Fairness Doctrine, we opened the door for 'alternative fact' bubbles to be created. Fox, hate-talk radio, Red State and its ilk - We desperately need a 21st Century Fairness Doctrine so we can get it so people are operating from the same set of facts, and so those facts are mostly true.

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