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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:06 PM Apr 2018

60 Minutes today is having a section on the Russian hacking of state election districts.

Just fyi.

I remember last year when it was reported that the fed offered certain states assistance, after they rec'd information that the Russians MIGHT or HAD interfered with their election systems. Few, if any, states took them up on that offer.

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60 Minutes today is having a section on the Russian hacking of state election districts. (Original Post) Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 OP
and OMGOSH.....Bows and arrows against lighting. a kennedy Apr 2018 #1
Kick dalton99a Apr 2018 #2
Thank you. Watching. Squinch Apr 2018 #3
Segment fails to mention Republicans are resisting efforts at securing state & local level election uponit7771 Apr 2018 #4
I think it mentioned that at the end, didn't it? It didn't say Republicans...it said some states... Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #23
They are making it sound like the Russians Greybnk48 Apr 2018 #5
no one checked the machines questionseverything Apr 2018 #6
They're making it sound like there was no need, Greybnk48 Apr 2018 #8
it is frustrating for sure questionseverything Apr 2018 #10
HC didn't lose and neither did Al Gore or John Kerry lose. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #14
Truth. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #16
Yep. Truth. Greybnk48 Apr 2018 #21
i agree but since we do not have systems in place for accurate vote counting questionseverything Apr 2018 #22
It makes it sound like they hacked the computers that tallied votes. Igel Apr 2018 #12
I noticed that. They said that looked like Russians just wanted to create some chaos. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #24
Wow! thank you, 60-minutes for two powerful stories tonight Equinox Moon Apr 2018 #7
The lynching segment looked extremely important! Greybnk48 Apr 2018 #9
They protect their segments from being pirated too, so I don't know how you can see it now. Equinox Moon Apr 2018 #11
Here is some of it: Equinox Moon Apr 2018 #20
I wish I'd watched.. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #17
Here is some of the lynching story: Equinox Moon Apr 2018 #19
Yep. Two powerful stories, you got that right. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #25
The director of cybersecurity was told to "step down" by Susan Rice triron Apr 2018 #13
Some day I hope they report on the how the 2016 pre-election polls were faked FakeNoose Apr 2018 #15
I don't think so. That was the CLUE that the results were fake. Also, the campaigns do their own. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #26
Right. That was the clue the results were fake. Watching the red shift on election night, Amaryllis Apr 2018 #27
+1. I said something about that on election night, too! Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #28
I have a strong feeling, even a certainty... BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #18
You're right, Bob. Both this story & the one on lynchings...both were chilling. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #29

a kennedy

(29,673 posts)
1. and OMGOSH.....Bows and arrows against lighting.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:10 PM
Apr 2018
and i’m Sure Faux Noise WILL NEVER SHOW THIS INFORMATION.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. I think it mentioned that at the end, didn't it? It didn't say Republicans...it said some states...
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 05:04 PM
Apr 2018

It said some states are not doing what the fed is suggesting, so the fed recommends some laws for the states (having to do with cybersecurity & such), and so far, the SENATE & HOUSE are not moving on that (it would be up to Congress to propose a bill for that).

I think that was the gist of the ending of the story. And mid-terms are 7 mos. away.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
5. They are making it sound like the Russians
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:28 PM
Apr 2018

did not follow through at all. This, after months of trial runs and preparations. How likely is that? They also said that Homeland Security had to be very careful because Trump repeatedly said he thought the election would be rigged. Such bullshit. Trump knew it was rigged!

They keep calling it election "meddling," you know. like when the Bushies got everyone calling terrorists "folks" (as the Bushies secretly beat them to mush with rubber hoses at Abu Ghraib).

I turned it off and turned on AFV. Totally sick of the propaganda.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
8. They're making it sound like there was no need,
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:49 PM
Apr 2018

or at least that's what I got from it before I turned it off as a wastes of time.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
10. it is frustrating for sure
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:54 PM
Apr 2018

I will never believe hc lost wis or mich

we were discussing the incorrectly counted votes in wis earlier

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10462136

but of course the thread sank like a stone

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
22. i agree but since we do not have systems in place for accurate vote counting
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 04:04 PM
Apr 2018

and reporting,,, we are stuck with the evil we have

think about it because of a couple well placed repub govs and their "vote counters" we are all living a nightmare

Igel

(35,320 posts)
12. It makes it sound like they hacked the computers that tallied votes.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:57 PM
Apr 2018

Or even the voting machines themselves. "Election systems" is a weasel phrase in this case.

They hacked registration systems. Some states used backups. Some had already printed. Nobody reported that records had been changed or voters disenfranchised.

Now, there are no reports that nobody checked to see if databases had been altered. Then again, nobody reported on the mysterious absence of a lack of air in Houston. In other words, maybe the dog barked and nobody paid it the slightest attention, maybe the dog didn't bark but, you know, dogs sometimes don't bark. Arguing that it happened because it might have happened because, well, nobody's reported that anybody's checked to make sure it didn't happen seems weak. Sort of like air is a weak support for holding up a car.

I have to assume if they'd done anything noteworthy thousands of people would have complained and/or the local BOEs would have noticed and said something. While we complain about (R) election officials at the state level, most real irregularities tend to occur in towns and cities with (D) majorities and either non-partisan, bi-partisan, or openly (D)-partisan BOEs.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. I noticed that. They said that looked like Russians just wanted to create some chaos.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 05:05 PM
Apr 2018

BS. Going through all that effort & expense over a long period of time, just to change some addresses to create some chaos? BS.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
7. Wow! thank you, 60-minutes for two powerful stories tonight
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:47 PM
Apr 2018

1) voter hacking by russians

2) lynchings of black Americans and the memorial and informing work being done. I was deeply moved and applauded the segment.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
9. The lynching segment looked extremely important!
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:53 PM
Apr 2018

I got so pissed at the fluffy Russian espionage story, they call it meddling, I stupidly missed the lynching memorial story.

I apologize for ignoring that segment and I'm sorry I missed it.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
11. They protect their segments from being pirated too, so I don't know how you can see it now.
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:56 PM
Apr 2018

CBS morning show often does a segment follow up from the 60-minutes reporting on Sunday would be your best bet.

It needs to be seen again and again and again... Everyone needs to see that reporting done. It was so well done. Shocking and horrifying and the healing memorials being done for balance. Very nice!

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
17. I wish I'd watched..
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:09 PM
Apr 2018

I'll be looking for a rerun of the lynching story.. Hoping to visit the memorial next year. I read the EJI report a couple of years ago.. a story of terror like you've never read and it all really happened. That report should be taught in every school in America.

triron

(22,007 posts)
13. The director of cybersecurity was told to "step down" by Susan Rice
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:21 PM
Apr 2018

in the run up to the election regarding doing anything to actually try to
detect election tampering by the Russians as stated in "Russian Roulette".
Guess they were betting (badly) that Hillary would win anyway.
The administration was persuaded by McConnell and Ryan to keep mum because it would
be construed as interfering on behalf of tbe dmocrats and Clinton.
WTF!!

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
15. Some day I hope they report on the how the 2016 pre-election polls were faked
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 08:51 PM
Apr 2018

I don't have any inside info on this, but it has always been my gut feeling that the polls that showed Hillary way out in front had to be FAKE. Either the Russians hacked the polls or Cambridge Analytica was somehow involved with it.

How sure were the Democrats that Hillary was going to win? We were all so sure, especially when Trump's pussy-gate tape came out. Those same polls convinced Obama to not do anything against the Russians hacking before the election, because Hillary was probably going to win.

Now we hear that Susan Rice called the FBI back from investigating the election hacking in individual states. Those polls made everyone so sure that Hillary would win. Where did those numbers come from? Why did we believe them?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. I don't think so. That was the CLUE that the results were fake. Also, the campaigns do their own.
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 05:07 PM
Apr 2018

The campaigns do their own polling, and they're pretty good at it. No way that Hillary's polling said she win PA, and then she didn't.

She KNEW from their own polling that the Comey press conference did damage and changed her momentum. But she was still ahead in the polling...both her own and the public polls.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
27. Right. That was the clue the results were fake. Watching the red shift on election night,
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 08:17 PM
Apr 2018

I said to my friends, I've seen this before. Just like 2004. Defies the polls. I was pretty sure they were going to steal it when all that came out about hacking database in summer of 2016. I was not confident Hillary would win after that.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. +1. I said something about that on election night, too!
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:14 PM
Apr 2018

I didn't KNOW Trump didn't win. But I suspected that he didn't. Nothing made sense. It didn't jive...and we knew Russia was doing SOMETHING (we didn't know how much, at that time). But almost all the polls had Hillary in the lead in the places where Trump was a surprise win. TRue, her momentum was headed down, but I suspected something was wrong, because how likely would it be that she would have lost in SO MANY places where she had a decent lead. I've seen a few elections in my day, starting with the Carter vs Reagan one. This one didn't seem quite right.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
18. I have a strong feeling, even a certainty...
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 09:28 PM
Apr 2018

...that watching this episode would be bad for both my BP and mental well being.

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