Yet now the children are woke and fighting mad. They can also vote.

The GOP and NRA woke a sleeping giant.

Remember the ebola scare? Two Americans died.

How about SARS? Eight Americans died.

But we were all terrified and people did whatever they could to stop the diseases. Guns? Not so much.

Guns? Not so much...because the effed up second amendment or some such.

that embolden haters, kill/wound innocent people, that are used to intimidate millions more than killed, etc. That I don’t understand.

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... and in any given year 99.9% of its instances were benign, we might seek other ways to protect our children besides eradication of the virus.

when they had no other outlet for their fears and collection instinct, they would fight for the rights of the virus.

They need self-defense too.

Women wouldn't avail themselves of some sort of imaginary self-defensive virus that would kill children.

Easy as that.

And no, I have no further desire to hear how you twist this metaphor into some kind of ridiculous defense of any random person owning any stupidly powerful firearm they want to. You won't convince me to change my mind. Please interpret my future lack of reply as indifference to this line of discussion and not agreement with you nor acquiescence to your position.

I don’t want to actually engage in any debate that would make me actually consider facts contrary to what I believe, so I’ll choose to stick my head in the sand.

By the way, I’m a women who chooses to not only use a firearm as a defensive tool, I also reach others to do so safely and responsibly. But the fact that I exist surely is not consistent with your ideas, so feel free to ignore my very existence also if that is what it takes to not go outsid eyout precious little echo chamber.

No, I do not wish to engage in the specific debate as StrawMan is presenting it.

The reason for this: I have learned by experience that certain specific gun advocates on here (waves at StrawMan) are really fond of reductio ad absurdum arguments which serve no purpose except to cloud the issue and waste a lot of time. Nothing I say will change their minds; therefore, I feel no guilt whatsoever in practicing soft disengagement since I'm not going to change mine either.

Thus, I'm very appreciative of your permission not to engage! Thanks for that!


Do understand my true motivation for replying to you (both of you women, Lee-Lee, neither of whom I've had the pleasure of conversing with previously) despite my stated intention not to before I retreat back "insid emyt precious little echo chamber" is not because I'm bristling at the suggestion that I somehow don't wish to engage in "debate" (quite the contrary, I hope to not waste all of our time in useless debate about the already-metaphorical construct in the OP) and that my head is "in the sand" (I live in the Midwest US, quite far from where ostriches normally roam). No, my only constructive purpose here, Lee-Lee, is to correct your implication that I might perhaps somehow be in denial of the existence of "women" firearm enthusiasts, (you go, girls, shoot as many things as you want responsibly and safely!) and to offer the friendly suggestion to proofread what you write little better before hitting send.

So in keeping with the metaphor, no woman uses (or would use) firearms in self-defense?


Easy and wrong.


The "guns as germs" metaphor is a pretty lame one to begin with, and deserves all the twisting it gets. If you hold it dear, then I can understand your not wanting to see it shredded. But in all fairness, where did I say I support "any random person owning any stupidly powerful firearm they want to"? That straw man is no kin to me.

Does anyone have a citation that shows 8 children killed a day?

Now, I know she says “children and teenagers” but I am assuming she means up to 17.

If she is citing some statistic those chose to lump 18 and 19 year old adults in with “teenagers” in order to make things looks worse than they are by including 18 and 19 year old adults who overwhelmingly die due to being part of criminal activity, well that’s just dishonest. It’s a common thing to pad statistics like that on the anti-gun side by citing deaths of adults as “teens” or “children” but it’s not very honest.

and the mysterious virus would end up killing us all. 49 people tragically died in Syria and Don is planning a big military operation. As of this morning, 3,926 people in this country have been killed by guns in 2018 and there is no response.