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Where do we get 67 votes in the Senate? (Original Post) briv1016 Apr 2018 OP
The Joint Chiefs would have to have a little chat with at least 16 Rethugs. sandensea Apr 2018 #1
We dont. Impeachment is a pipe dream. GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #2
So Trump gets to continue committing crimes, destroying the country, OliverQ Apr 2018 #7
Yep. GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #11
You mean conviction. We only need a House majority for impeachment pnwmom Apr 2018 #9
Thank you for the clarification GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #12
Yeah, I'm leaning that way, too. Unless the crimes were so monumentally awful pnwmom Apr 2018 #13
We don't, YET... regnaD kciN Apr 2018 #3
Exactly, plus look what is happening in VA. FSogol Apr 2018 #4
Stick Valium in their water... DumpDrumpf Apr 2018 #5
Xanax... herding cats Apr 2018 #6
There are not enough GOP seats up to do this Gothmog Apr 2018 #8
Do we really want impeachment? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2018 #10
The order of succession just reeks, doesn't it? After Pence is Paul Ryan, FFS... Hekate Apr 2018 #14
Do you really want to keep Trump in office workinclasszero Apr 2018 #15
I think he's less dangerous than Pence JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2018 #18
Yes. Few questions are as simple to answer. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #17
Without a reason... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #16

sandensea

(21,635 posts)
1. The Joint Chiefs would have to have a little chat with at least 16 Rethugs.
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 10:39 PM
Apr 2018

Someone needs to, God knows.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
7. So Trump gets to continue committing crimes, destroying the country,
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:14 AM
Apr 2018

and blowing up other countries with no consequence for at least 3 more years?


Yeah, the Founders done screwed up on the stupid decision to not allow a President to be indicted.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
9. You mean conviction. We only need a House majority for impeachment
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:06 AM
Apr 2018

but we need a 2/3 vote in the Senate for conviction.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. Thank you for the clarification
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:36 AM
Apr 2018

That is just what I meant.

And at this point I think impeachment with no chance of conviction would be an epic mistake politically. My opinion may change depending on what Mueller finds.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
13. Yeah, I'm leaning that way, too. Unless the crimes were so monumentally awful
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:38 AM
Apr 2018

that the public was overwhelmingly in favor of conviction.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
3. We don't, YET...
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 11:01 PM
Apr 2018

Even if Democrats were to "run the table" in November, they’d still need 9 or more Republicans to convict. And that’s not going to happen…right now.

Come mid-November, things may well have changed. Right now, Republicans in the Senate fear being primaried more than facing a Democratic opponent in the general. But, after this autumn’s election, things may be quite different, especially in light of a mid-term bloodbath. The electoral map isn’t anywhere near as favorable for the GOP in 2020 as it is in 2018, and, if they lose ground even so this year, there may be a bunch of Republicans in unsafe seats who might start dreading facing the voters in two years if seen as Trump-enablers, particularly if it means running with him at the head of the ticket. In 1974, it was regarded as a foregone conclusion that Nixon would be able to retain enough Senate loyalists to keep him in power…until the dam broke and Republicans realized their OWN jobs might be put in jeopardy — then, they couldn’t get away from him fast enough.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
4. Exactly, plus look what is happening in VA.
Tue Apr 10, 2018, 11:32 PM
Apr 2018

Republicans are crossing over and voting for Northam's medicare expansion bill out of self-preservation. The same will happen when impeachment comes up. Repubs will cross over.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
14. The order of succession just reeks, doesn't it? After Pence is Paul Ryan, FFS...
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:02 AM
Apr 2018

You look down the list and shudder.

If by some miracle we could win back the House, we might stand a chance of getting rid of Trump. Getting rid of Pence first would be optimal. God only knows what Mueller is finding out about Mr Handmaid's Tale, but since Paul Manafort himself selected Pence, there has to be something.

So here we are at this moment: the handpicked Cabinet will not declare him unfit, the Republican-majority House will not impeach, and the Republican-majority Senate will not convict.

GOTV and keep praying that Mueller turns over every rock. He's doing great at decentralizing the information, so even if he gets fired the work can be carried on by others elsewhere. Many of Trump's closest associates, even his family, are in mortal danger, and there will be prison and ruination for them.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
18. I think he's less dangerous than Pence
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:46 AM
Apr 2018

Trump is driven by the last person to talk to him, he's chaotic.

Pence is driven by ideology, more committed to "conservative values", more relentless.

Yeah, I'd rather have Trump. Really.

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