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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:12 PM Apr 2018

McConnell TOLD Obama he would LIE to the American public if Obama told the truth

about the GOP working with the KGB.




Speaking on Tuesday at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden said the Obama administration sought a united front to dispel concerns that going public with such accusations would be seen as an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the election.

However, McConnell "wanted no part of having a bipartisan commitment saying, essentially, 'Russia's doing this. Stop,' " he said.

At that point, Biden added, he felt that "the die had been cast" and that "this was all about the political play."



https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/24/580171396/biden-mcconnell-refused-to-sign-bipartisan-statement-on-russian-interference

meaning McConnell threatened he would LIE to the public about the intel and what had happened. This is the same piece of human SHIT who prevented the American people from having the SC justice they voted for.


If you tell the people the truth I will lie to them and say it isnt the truth...
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McConnell TOLD Obama he would LIE to the American public if Obama told the truth (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 OP
And the same piece of shit whose JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #1
I wish their behavour was limited to politics, but let me assure you it is not. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #2
The Turtleman is a liar and a traitor Gothmog Apr 2018 #3
A traitor, through and through. dalton99a Apr 2018 #4
They should have called his bluff. BSdetect Apr 2018 #5
Oh hell no, the media and the right would have crucified Obama and HRC Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #7
You are.............. MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #9
Beware of those who blame Obama for this, you will see it a lot. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #12
Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!! MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #15
Oh hell yes, top 3 of all time, easily Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #17
2 things there: MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #22
Blue dogs werent the big problem, the so called progressive left that became Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #23
I will say vs to that. CentralMass Apr 2018 #29
History is already kind to Obama True Blue American Apr 2018 #44
I'm sure he's worn out, tired, and moving on with his life. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #45
Nicely stated! MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #49
Thanks. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #50
Two traditions in presidential etiquette: robbob Apr 2018 #59
While I think there are many MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #60
So essentially mcconnell blackmailed all present in the meeting? BSdetect Apr 2018 #30
The media was doing that already. At least as far as HRC went. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #61
I agree. Call his bluff and release intelligence (but not means and sources). nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #52
The way I read the post you are responding to is that person does not believe Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #62
No. Blue_true Apr 2018 #63
Different post then, i wont like the one I am referring to but it is here. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #64
I was replying to "They should have called his bluff" Blue_true Apr 2018 #66
Most of the thinking people Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #6
K&R fleur-de-lisa Apr 2018 #8
IQ45 and Turtle................... MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #10
Yes. Both are traitors. calimary Apr 2018 #65
Surely, they will find something for Ryan AND McConnell that will bring them down and send them to Frustratedlady Apr 2018 #11
2 ways: barbtries Apr 2018 #14
We could........ MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #19
The GOP is one big crime syndicate. Duppers Apr 2018 #24
Love the many things......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #27
+100 Duppers Apr 2018 #53
we should have prosecuted the bush admin barbtries Apr 2018 #26
With 'ya! MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #28
Yes I do remember reading about this - it's completely true FakeNoose Apr 2018 #13
I dont believe Obama ever suggested postponing or cancelling, I assume he simply wanted to inform Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #16
It is, as you know, utter bullshit jberryhill Apr 2018 #20
I dont know why it was said HERE, not going to assign motive, dont know the person. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #21
That is utter codswallop jberryhill Apr 2018 #18
S/He certainly couldn't just order it unilaterally & of his/her own accord ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #25
Again, this is the sort of thing that comes from a complete lack of understanding of how things work jberryhill Apr 2018 #31
If there was a big ENOUGH disaster, like a major city nuked by a foreign power? mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #43
But states do. Iliyah Apr 2018 #38
And all while stealing Obama's Supreme Court pick. Who would have guessed McConnell jalan48 Apr 2018 #32
But we need a transcript to prove McConnell is the dishonest one, NOT OBama or Biden Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #33
Pretty crazy. I'm sure it will all come out over time. Maybe once the Trump mafia has fallen some jalan48 Apr 2018 #35
They got gorsuch mountain grammy Apr 2018 #34
They better not!! GreenPartyVoter Apr 2018 #41
doesn't surprise me in least bit! bluestarone Apr 2018 #36
McConnell, Ryan and the rest of the Repigs are awash in Russian blood money Mr. Ected Apr 2018 #37
Could McConnell have had a role with the Russians meddling in the election? Mr. Sparkle Apr 2018 #39
Of course he did, his wife too as I recall. It will turn out many GOP sitting members were Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #40
That's the problem: he's as likely to grasp straws as he is to plot. marble falls Apr 2018 #42
Dog bites man. House of Roberts Apr 2018 #46
I wish it had not stopped Obama and Biden. BadgerMom Apr 2018 #47
Opposite would have happened, clearly. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #48
If it is possible for someone to be a bigger POS... 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #51
That's a tough decision.............. MyOwnPeace Apr 2018 #54
I seriously believe McConnell is part of the collusion. Reader Rabbit Apr 2018 #55
I have no doubt that he knew. 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #56
so? Skittles Apr 2018 #57
Well, as long as those guys all came out okay. Sparkly Apr 2018 #58

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
1. And the same piece of shit whose
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:15 PM
Apr 2018

Wife Elaine Chao smiles and nods her head in 45/140's cabinet.

He's a piece of shit.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
2. I wish their behavour was limited to politics, but let me assure you it is not.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:16 PM
Apr 2018

NEVER trust a republican on anything, ever.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
15. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018

You know, I wonder what is going through PRESIDENT OBAMA'S mind since January, 2017:

After all he did to rescue this country from financial disaster, improve our standing and relations throughout the world, and work to improve the American experience - to be derided, ridiculed, lied about, attacked, and see so many of his initiatives thrown out the window.................

Certainly speaks for the man's character - and such a shame that SO MANY do not "get it," appreciate it, or understand it.

I'm certain that history will be much kinder to this great man that we have been.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
17. Oh hell yes, top 3 of all time, easily
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:43 PM
Apr 2018

Literally saved us from ourselves.

The problem was this black man did not fix every problem 200 years of non black presidents created. So many who are NOT republicans stayed home in 2010 and fucking us.


He fixed many of the problems, like getting ACA but many demanded he fix EVERYTHING

Oh, and in less than 2 years no less.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
22. 2 things there:
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:56 PM
Apr 2018

1. Those same people who stayed home in 2010 did the same thing in 2016

2. You are SO right about the "2 year fix" thing: had to fight the "Blue dogs" (Democrats in name only).

And, of course, we had McTurtle's pronouncement that the Pugs would make sure that PRESIDENT OBAMA was a 1-term president.
Amazing that he EVER got ANYTHING done!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
23. Blue dogs werent the big problem, the so called progressive left that became
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:59 PM
Apr 2018

furious with him and stopped supporting him and the party. They were the problem.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
44. History is already kind to Obama
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:26 PM
Apr 2018

But it is growing and will become larger as the years go by.

We have not seen the last of the Obama family. This scenario is just unfolding.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
45. I'm sure he's worn out, tired, and moving on with his life.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:29 PM
Apr 2018

Probably set the correct things in motion, and hasn't looked back. I wish it was different, but, nobody signs up for a lifetime gig. See both Bushes, Clinton, Carter etc. These guys move on. As they should. I sure miss President Obama, but, why should the man stress about all of us when it sure seems like he gets continuous flack and blame for everything.
How many times can one man fix the country? Mrs. Obama was thoroughly through with all of it near the end and wanted him to rest and be her husband. Who can blame her?
At some point a new wave of concerned and able people need to learn the lessons and move on. Sec. Clinton was literally drove into the ground for trying to serve her country. We let it happen. this is what we have. Our republic is our responsibility. There's a price for freedom and I'm not referring to guns and bombs. We need to move our feet like teachers and students have done recently. Is it un nerving? Sure is. But, nowhere in the world is it just a free ride in these types of situations. We can't "just vote'. We HAVE to get a move on. Sitting behind a computer is nice, (including the very words I type myself), but that doesn't get done what we need.
The Boston Tea Party is American History for a reason. It was scary. but, Patriots swung into action. The 60's hurt, but, people put their shoes on, and made a sign and showed up. We have to show up again. OUTSIDE.
We have to be braver than some comments on the computer. Once you start, it goes easy. Find a protest partner. Make a plan. Then roll. If it requires a bus ticket. Find out how to get one. If it requires walking...make a plan. If it requires a drive...carpool it with someone who can do it...and PARTICIPATE in making it happen. Usually that starts w saving some money, (not much) but gas money, etc. make some sandwiches if you have to. Don't expect people to pay your way, but, if it happens as a result, ALL the better. It doesn't have to hurt. It's fun once you start, and when you're back home...wow. The feeling of accomplishment stays with you for a long time. And you realize, it wasn't that hard.This country has had it too easy for too long. The unions are gone, our jobs have taken flight. Our spirit is broken, but, that can be fixed. We are so lucky to have had president Obama and Clinton. Time to get going. Prepare, put some stuff together, and DO IT.
Lastly, GET YARD SIGNS EARLY, and GET THE STONES TO TAKE A STAND. How much worse can it get? Often when you lead, others follow. BE the change you want.
That's just my two cents. Ride on.

robbob

(3,530 posts)
59. Two traditions in presidential etiquette:
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:25 PM
Apr 2018

1. A retired President will not criticize a sitting President.
2. A sitting President will not criticize his predecessor.

Shitler has broken rule #2 (repeatedly!); I think it’s time for Obama to takes the gloves off re: rule #1. Fuck what the media and the Rethugs say about it; Trumptard has changed the rules, it’s time to fight back on all fronts.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
60. While I think there are many
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:53 PM
Apr 2018

who would like to see that, I think there's NO WAY President Obama would ever do that.

He refused to let the McTurtle drag him into the mud - ain't no way IQ45's gonna' do it!

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
30. So essentially mcconnell blackmailed all present in the meeting?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:53 PM
Apr 2018

What about a transcript? Who was there as a witness?

If only they had recorded that meeting.

They could have released that before mcconnel got back to his lair.

And nobody is blaming ....

Asking questions still OK?

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
61. The media was doing that already. At least as far as HRC went.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:40 AM
Apr 2018

When will the dems stop cowering in fear of the right wing media & take the fuckers head on? They've lived in fear of the media for 35+ years while ignoring hate radio, & now half the country would rather vote for a pedophile than a democrat.

We need more Adam Schiff's & Eric Swalwell's.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
62. The way I read the post you are responding to is that person does not believe
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:29 AM
Apr 2018

that these traitorous assholes did any such thing.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. No.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:59 AM
Apr 2018

The post that I was responding to wanted President Obama to release the information of Russian interference in our elections to the public, and bash McConnell, Trump or anyone else that got in the way of Americans knowing the truth.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
66. I was replying to "They should have called his bluff"
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:10 PM
Apr 2018

The poster was saying that the Obama Administration should have called the turtle's bluff.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Most of the thinking people
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:20 PM
Apr 2018

understood what McConnell's Game Plan was,this just gives those people the facts that they were not wrong.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
10. IQ45 and Turtle...................
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:26 PM
Apr 2018

are both equally dirty. However, IQ45 is stupid - McTurtle is not.

BOTH are traitors!

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
11. Surely, they will find something for Ryan AND McConnell that will bring them down and send them to
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:29 PM
Apr 2018

prison? They have led the gang of Republicans to nearly destroy this country and it will take trillion$ and years to fix the damage they've done just in the past year, not to mention the obstruction they backed on everything Obama tried to do to improve our situation. There must be some way to make them pay for that.

barbtries

(28,794 posts)
14. 2 ways:
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

Imprisonment
Impoverishment

they'll never pay. I mean I wish we could haul them all into an international court. I hope they get brought up on charges including treason. i don't see it happening.

no, we'll all be paying for that for years. probably generations. motherfuckers. #RepublicansSuck

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
19. We could........
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:48 PM
Apr 2018

keep the "international courts" tied up for years, what with the current disaster, along with "W" and his gang: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc!

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
27. Love the many things.........
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:49 PM
Apr 2018

Nancy Pelosi has done for the country (and Dems) - but electing to not go after any in the "W" administration for lies and an illegal war left a bad taste in my mouth. I think we did a disservice to our country and those throughout the world that used to respect the United States (well, whatever was left of that has been destroyed by IQ45, for sure!).

barbtries

(28,794 posts)
26. we should have prosecuted the bush admin
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:48 PM
Apr 2018

trump never happened.

we could say that about a lot of shit brought by republicans though. sigh.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
13. Yes I do remember reading about this - it's completely true
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:39 PM
Apr 2018

I was a regular (daily) reader on the Gawker blogs before the election in 2016.

This Russian interference stuff was all over Gawker & Buzzfeed at the time, including rumors about the FBI investigating/not investigating. There was a top secret meeting with Obama, Biden, Pelosi, McConnell, Ryan, (a few others) and all the security chiefs. They briefed Obama on all the stuff they had at the time - before the election - and Obama believed that he could not cancel or postpone the election because of it.

In that meeting McConnell told Obama that if he tried to cancel/postpone the election, it would lead to an armed civil uprising and it would accomplish nothing. This should be on record somewhere in the minutes of that meeting, and I completely believe that McConnell should be impeached because of this. It's proof of his collusion.

Quite possibly the DU reporters covered it too, but I don't know because I didn't join DU until after the election.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
16. I dont believe Obama ever suggested postponing or cancelling, I assume he simply wanted to inform
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018

the public what was going on.

If you have documented that somehow, let me know

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. It is, as you know, utter bullshit
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:49 PM
Apr 2018

The United States does not even have some sort of federal election mechanism. (the FEC merely administers certain formal rules in relation to federal candidates)

The elections are conducted by each of 50 states and a smattering of territories.

The federal government would have no ability, mechanism, or authority, to "cancel or postpone" an election.

The entire proposition is, at best, ignorant uninformed childlike thinking.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
21. I dont know why it was said HERE, not going to assign motive, dont know the person.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:51 PM
Apr 2018

Of course all he would have done was suggest that WE deserved to know the truth.

And McConnell probably just came right out and said, in that meeting, that he would lie to us.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. That is utter codswallop
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 12:45 PM
Apr 2018

The federal government does not even administer elections.

This notion - that somehow the president could cancel or postpone an election - is a peculiar piece of paranoia that crops up on both right and left from time to time.

It is fantastically idiotic, and intended to be believed by idiots.

If you believe such bullshit, please describe the mechanism by which it could possibly even happen.

Draw me a diagram of how President Obama would tell, for example, the State of Idaho, "No, you are not going to administer an election."

It is outright and complete nonsense.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. S/He certainly couldn't just order it unilaterally & of his/her own accord ...
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:47 PM
Apr 2018

But I think if there were something dramatic enough happened like Chicago was nuked the Sunday before the election, s/he could 'call for a 1 month postponement', and the governors of all 50 states would then collectively all agree to it, and do so.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. Again, this is the sort of thing that comes from a complete lack of understanding of how things work
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:55 PM
Apr 2018

Governors do not have any sort of unilateral authority to simply waive the operation of law, when there are dates hardwired into the statutes.

The presidential term expires January 20 at noon every four years, and there are a number of unchangeable dates in statutes based on that.

The US managed to conduct elections during the middle of an outright civil war. Get real.
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
43. If there was a big ENOUGH disaster, like a major city nuked by a foreign power?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:20 PM
Apr 2018

I would bet you money a presidential election would get postponed, one way or another, law be damned.

Although perhaps only the state(s) where it happened would not vote that day, and the rest would go about theirs, hard to say.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
38. But states do.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

Republican Party enjoys governorships and legislators and council persons, etc.

Just saying.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
32. And all while stealing Obama's Supreme Court pick. Who would have guessed McConnell
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:58 PM
Apr 2018

was the most powerful man in the government?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
33. But we need a transcript to prove McConnell is the dishonest one, NOT OBama or Biden
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 01:59 PM
Apr 2018


I just read that in this thread

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
35. Pretty crazy. I'm sure it will all come out over time. Maybe once the Trump mafia has fallen some
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:03 PM
Apr 2018

who were there might start to speak out.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
36. doesn't surprise me in least bit!
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:04 PM
Apr 2018

That bastard would lie! plain and simple. If we could prove it then THAT would make good 2018 campaign slogan???

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
37. McConnell, Ryan and the rest of the Repigs are awash in Russian blood money
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:05 PM
Apr 2018

The question is whether Mueller's probe will ever reach into the RNC and the Republican Congress, because if it does, retribution will be sweet.

Assuming, of course, our country survives this fascist incursion.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
39. Could McConnell have had a role with the Russians meddling in the election?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:15 PM
Apr 2018

He was very confident about keeping the supreme court vacancy open until after the election, despite most polls showing Hillary wining in a landslide.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
40. Of course he did, his wife too as I recall. It will turn out many GOP sitting members were
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:18 PM
Apr 2018

accepting money from Russia, some thru NRA and some other ways.

Isnt there already documented proof of this on many of them, not just that prick out in CA, whatshisname?

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
47. I wish it had not stopped Obama and Biden.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:44 PM
Apr 2018

Granted, McConnell’s lies would have persuaded the deplorable, but the majority would not have been taken in. While it might have meant Pres. Clinton would have served her term facing outrageous Republican headwinds, wasn’t that always going to be the case? The news about Russian intervention might very well have galvanized more voters to get out there and perhaps some not to throw away their vote on a third party poseur. Alas, it’s all conjecture now. And, I know they believed she was a shoo-in at the time.

Reader Rabbit

(2,624 posts)
55. I seriously believe McConnell is part of the collusion.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 05:10 PM
Apr 2018

If he didn't know that the fix was in, then why did he work so hard to stonewall Obama's nominees? I really hope he's part of Mueller's investigation.

3catwoman3

(23,987 posts)
56. I have no doubt that he knew.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 05:14 PM
Apr 2018

No doubt at all. Been saying that since the Russian interference speculation first began after the stolen election.

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